Discussion in 'Transfer Forum' started by bond19821982, Dec 28, 2018.
at 28, he'd be perfect and allows Dalot to develop and eventually take over.
It's a CB and he is going to Bayern.
Shitty league arguement.... Remember a certain dutchman playing in the shitty league some seasons ago? The manager of said team called to the top teams in PL and told them they should buy this player directly from them, instead of waiting 2 years and buy him at twice the price. While VVD played for Southampon for a little over a year, i do not think he improved dramatically while he was there.
It is also a difference between being allowed to go forward and being good at it.
Meunier, Dalot, Laird, Shaw, Tierney
That would be a good set of full backs for the next few years.
Saying that I really like the looks of Brandon Williams and would be interested in his development in the coming years.
So just because VVD worked out it is guaranteed Tierney will too? Bollocks. Don't get me wrong, I like the lad and I think he's talented but there's no telling how he will do here. I'm rate him enough to be fine with us buying him directly from the shitty league but that doesn't mean he's automatically first choice LB. He'll have to earn that. It's not like Shaw is playing badly either so it wouldn't be fair to him.
Agree with Wan Bissaka, been impressed every time I've seen him, some posters regard him as not very attack minded, but if he was at United I think he would have more opportunity. Have always liked Mitchell, and CBJ to me was great going forward, but not too hot defensively. Laird looks a beast in the youth, not quite so sure about O'Connor yet. Dalot and Laird have both covered left and right full back positions, so there is plenty of scope in my opinion.
The 'shitty league' argument is lazy and people not willing or capable of evaluating individual players. In my opinion Tierney is more than capable of the necessary step up.
Players have come from the Scottish Premiership over the years to know there are occasionally top players in the division - that's not to say it's full of top talent year in year out but you do get top players every couple of years.
People mentioning Tierney, how has he been this season? Has he continued the form from last year or..
There has been a tendency for people here to vastly underestimate Shaw's ability attacking wise and make every other LB seem like Roberto Carlos in their prime by comparison. If people think someone like Tierney or say Chillwell will be a massive improvement on Shaw they are going to be in for a major surprise.
Meunier would be my choice at RB and then we obviously have Shaw at LB with Dalot able to cover both
I really like Wan Bissaka but he's the wrong age, cant have him Shaw and Dalot without eventually moving one of them on as their careers will suffer through lack of games
Surely Young will accept our contract offer. He is a first team player, on a good wage and given that he turns 34 before the start of next season a one year deal is completely reasonable.
If he's holding out for more years because we caved for Fellaini I think he's making a mistake. Mourinho bullied the club into that deal and I can't imagine Solskjaer doing the same thing.
If he doesn't accept out deal we need a new right back obviously. Not sure who though. Meunier gets mentioned a lot and he's decent but nothing special.
At left back I expect Shaw will continue as first choice next season with possibly Mitchell added to the squad as cover.
Personally I'd have;
Shaw, Dalot, Wan Bissaka, +1 of the academy boys like Ethan Laird as a back up.
Dalot can play both sides to a good level, so he can cover for any injury. That also means we have 1 less player taking up a squad place+wages.
They're young but experienced at the same time, no need to worry about age IMO.
I think having two players of equal quality competing for games isn't a bad thing. Not every young player will make it big, for whatever reason. Shaw still is a question mark for me since his attitude has really been lacking at times so getting Tierney in to put pressure on him and get the best out of both through competition doesn't feel like a problem for me. If they all end up being this close quality wise, just rotate them for every other game, we have so many games per season if we want to compete on every front that I don't think having two quality players in every position has to be a problem.
I dont know if a right back would help but the hottest prospect right now in Ligue 1 is Nice 's Youcef Atal.
He is 22, got incredible pace and dribbling skills and is very good tackler, already watched by Athletico Madrid, Barcelona and now PSG, for sure the player that impressed the most this year over the french Ligue 1.
He made the team of the breaktrough and revelation players of the first part of the season and also made the list of the best buys of the summer.
It's not sustainable for a long period of time though, think back to Heinze and Evra. Tevez and Berbatov. Nani and Valencia. On every occasion one player got more game time than the other. We made a big investment in Dalot and unless we're of the opinion that he wont make it then Wan Bissaka doesn't make sense (certainly at the price he'd cost)
If Meunier is available he would be a good signing, but hasn’t he been playing regularly this season? After Dani Alves’ return too? Why would PSG be keen to sell him and why would he be keen to leave?
Shaw is generally very conservative. If we were going to buy a left back, I would like to see someone come in who is much more aggressive in his attacking/ support play. I don’t think that’s Tierney.
Meunier seems pretty happy where he is today - all over this Paredes signing on social media
Ole said he'll prepare for next season's squad even if he's not here next season and mentioned Laird as one of three youth academy player who is likely to make a debut this season.
But, whoever wins out would be stronger for it. Real bought Coentrao when they had Marcelo and they bought Danilo when they had Carvajal.
A couple of days ago, he was all over us with a win against Arsenal.
Wan Bissaka would not make any sense. Very good player. But £40M-£50M and I'm not convinced he's a better talent than Dalot. It would just stall his and Dalot's progress simultaneously.
I would probably keep Young on for another year as he can play both RB and LB and is a good influence in the dressing room.
I also think Herrera would be fantastic at RB. And use Matic at LB in an emergency.
Regardless of who we sign there is no certainty how the player will perform. Even Messi might not work. Same risk associated with all transfers. All players at a club will have to earn a spot, regardless of the name. You argue that Tierney automatically will be behind Shaw, i argue that this will not necassarily be the case.
Shaw; Not a great crosser, short passing and technical ability is not as good as it should be, not the best at dribbling due to lack of acceleration and technique --> Struggles when there is no space. On the positives; great engine, top speed is excellent, very solid defensively. If we actually had a threat on the right side, there would be more space for Shaw/Martial to operate in and Shaw is better in attack when there is more space.
Dalot cost us what 20m? Wan Bissaka would be at least 30m if not more. £50m for two players of a similar age who play in the same position all the while we're still in need of a CB, RW and maybe even a CM. Doesn't make sense to me that.
My thought, exactly. Plus he is said to be a United fan too. Won't have too much trouble sharing some game time with Dalot. It makes sense imo.
Really? Love that.
What he say?
Well we are competing with a team that spent 80 million on RBs in the same summer of similar age.
Indeed and they were pretty widely criticised for it
This is my opinion, but it applies to Meunier as well. He’s 27, it effectively means giving up on Dalot.
Once again Dalot has shown promise but, not "we never need to buy a RB again" promise.
I find it amusing that those who spent seasons hailing Shaw and now he's playing consistently they seem to have turned against him.
We do need another LB but i don't see many significantly better around
I have always been a huge fan of Fosu-Mensah thought he looked like an animal when he had those run of games at us a year or two back (remember West Ham and Spurs away he was sensational), he done alright at Palace but has had a bit of a nightmare at Fulham so not sure where that leaves him.
If he does go back on loan, I think the lad Wan-Bissaka has been superb for Palace, definitely worth taking a punt, knows the league, no settling in period, him and Dalot fighting for that RB spot as Dalot still seems a little fragile defensively.
I think Tierney is probably the obviously one for left back, him and Shaw fighting for that spot would be great, you could probably get the two of them for what 50m ish? Great business
Think Young will stay, and since Dalot can play on the left to fill in and Shaw being the one who is ready to start, a right back would really help. Feck knows who. Solskjaer mentioned Ethan Laird, so thats a younger option but hes probably a couple years away from having any sort of role.
Be a lot more than 50m. Palace would probably want about 40 - 50 for Wan Bissaka.
I’d buy Tierney and rotate him with Shaw - Celtic wouldn’t say to no 25 - 30m.
I actually don’t think we’ll get a RB this year. It’ll be Young, with Dalot & Laird providing back up.
Get a first team RB.
Dalot covers both LB and RB, and extend Young's contract for a year.
I do not know who Wissaka is, but we shouldn't ban him just like that.
Ricardo Pereira, Meunier or Bissaka for right back and I don't think we immediately need anybody else. Really like Ricardo, looks perfect for a top club.
Dalot can cover at left back if needed, as he's already shown. Keep Young as an emergency back up for either side if there are injury's.
Dalot, One of the 3 mentioned above, Shaw and Young is enough cover.
Palace will say 50/60m but how often does that price actually stick, Frankie De Jong was going for over 80m, ended up being 65m to Barca, if we say 30/35m to Palace for one of their kids, that is an awful lot of money to them, can't see them turning it down.
If the price goes to 60/65m then so be it. I think Young will stay for another year and probably provide back up to Shawn on the left, with Valencia going, a new first choice RB will probably come in IMO
Watched a couple of games he played in and he's quite talented. Was impressed.
De Jong went for 65m pounds plus 10m in variables that are almost guaranteed. The 80m bit was probably just euro instead of pounds.
I wouldn't say no to Wan Bissaka
Nor would I but he's similar age to Dalot, that could hamper his development and I reckon there's a really good player in there.
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