Discussion in 'Football Forum' started by Ecstatic, Jun 7, 2018.
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We have some, but I don't think we're sharing!
Look at it this way, if it was Barcelona or Madrid playing, I don't think your players would have made those errors because they would be a lot more focused. However, since they felt they didn't have to be at 100% to go through the tie, they ended up making the costly errors. That's the unprofessional part because in the Champions League, you can't go 95% as though you're playing a Ligue 1 team. You have to be at full concentration when backpassing or making a save, otherwise you might end up getting punished for it.
That's why their league isn't helping, it rarely presents them with scenarios that will be helpful to them in Europe. That's the way i see it anyway
You've demonstrated almost everything he was saying. Just in these two lines you're entirely missing the point: you will never have the opportunity to play a game more than once. It doesn't matter if you think you are so much better than the opposition you would win the game 95 times out of 100. Your players had one chance, and they lost. They probably wouldn't have let Barca thrash them 6-1 95 times out of 100 either, but they did it on the night all the same.
String together consecutive passes? Who cares?! You strung together plenty of pointless consecutive passes and it didn't help you one bit. You created embarrassingly few chances and the ones you did create, you couldn't take. We ended up shooting on target exactly the same number of times that you did, in fact. And our strikers did a better job and so did our goalkeeper, hence the scoreline.
Of course Kehrer was not being unprofessional (unlike Dani Alves). But it does surprise me that you act like a team who have a world-class star in every position when Rashford spent the first half walking past your RB as if he wasn't there, over and over and over again. He hasn't had such an easy opposite number all season in the Premier League.
I think you're misinterpreting something: PSG are being laughed at because of the entitlement and arrogance backfiring in a spectacular way against a Manchester United xi who we wouldn't ever field if at full strength. If your side had the focus and professionalism, they would probably have taken us to the cleaners, what I feel you need to look at is why you don't have those traits and from there, you gather a clear picture of why people are saying what they are about the club/team.
I don't know what your fans/ultras say when your team acts so assured and entitled for no good reason, but I can only imagine the inquisition if that happened at the clubs who have history of winning the grandest trophy. With Madrid out, and Barcelona looking vulnerable as well as Bayern being a shadow of themselves, the trophy is more up for grabs than it has been in years - your side should have had a razor sharp focus on swooping in, destroying whoever they faced and snatching that trophy if at all possible. The way you came out at OT before the goals is the way you should always be playing in terms of drive and hunger, I can't see how that is refutable as it's the bare minimum all top clubs should demand, and if they then lose, well OK, they tried their hardest, better luck next term.
This is not the impression PSG give and until you have it, I don't see you progressing beyond the QF's unless you get a fortunate draw that doesn't pair you against quality sides that do have that drive.
If this humiliating KO doesn't change something at your club, and even within the team that's there for next season, I really don't know what will.
I mean, the fact they can even present that title says a lot; how many other clubs would generate that kind of headline with it actually being feasible?
In summary, he suggest PSG players are arrogant/disrespectful/overhyped/overrated because PSG is owned by Qatar and has not a long-standing football history.
On the other hand, I prefer to reason in terms of management of a positive result (the 1st leg).
I know Kehrer played badly and that the PSG's right side including Dani Alves/Draxler was dysfuctional
When I wrote 95 times, the idea was to say you were lucky but the winners are always right so your luck was fully deserved.
So, my intention was not to say we were more deserving or better.
The best team is always the team that won
I can help you with that, they wrote a letter titled "Proud of our colours, not of our players.", basically they think that the players soiled the colours and the honor of the club. It's a bit dramatic but it gives you an idea about what they think.
PSG fans are fully aware of our weaknesses at all levels since a long time ago and the fans haven't forgotten what happened against Chelsea and Barcelona.
The problem is not arrogance or a lack of hunger. The problems are elsewhere. If I had to blame some players, I would think about Kehrer/Buffon/Draxler.
And the right side Kehrer/dani/draxler brings nothing offensively from a tactical standpoint.
From a club standpoint, the learning curve has not to be necessarily linear in the long run.
Time for me to stop speaking about PSG because I will repeat myself
1) You just point out what's wrong. How can a player say that in public ? Don't care if he puts 5 against Guimgamp or Reims that's just unbelievable.
2) When you have a midfield of Rothen, Cissé or others frankly it's very harsh to judge him that way. Peak Pauleta during the Qatari reign would have been a monster.
3) During the years before the takeover it was Colony Capital so it explains why PSG was so poor (bad presidency + comical recruitement year after year)
4) Regarding former players there was only Bernard Lama.
Regarding the match, you should have look the players, a lot of them were complacent (Mbappé smiling like it's done, Thiago Silva being caught at half time saying "we have nobody in front of us,...).
I think Nasser, despite being a nice guy, took the wrong way, he sould have :
1) Poach all the youth setup in Monaco or Lyon
2) Poach all the good youth players in France and specially in Paris and the suburban
3) Not sign all susperstar (FM style) or player that had a good match againt you (David Luiz)
If he did that it would have provided a great setup for the current team.
Right now it's like watching 11 men playing spanking other teams in L1 but with zero chemistry and fighting spirit when there is adversity.
No offense to PSG fans or Ligue 1 but to me playing for PSG for top star players like Silva, Zlatan, Cavani, Mbappe, Neymar, Verratti and etc are just playing in their comfort zone not challenging yourself.
There is a lot to say about PSG and how serious they are but I have two questions.
Why has Thiago Silva stayed there for so many years? He basically spent his entire prime at PSG.
What were they doing on Wednesday? I understand they wanted to kill the game off but they were going through for the entire 90 minutes until the penalty. All they had to do was sit back and keep the ball. United were the ones who needed the goal. Sit back, wait for United to come out and get the goal they need. Then hit them on the counter.
A Mourinho or Benitez led team would have gone through 99 times out of 100. Those two would have ensured that no one left their own half and stunk out the place to get a result.
Lots of money whilst living in Paris? I can't really think of many better ways to spend your career. Especially since PSG have a few Brazilian internationals who he's likely close with, I guess he's just happy there.
I guess he also genuinely does believe they could/can win a CL, I mean especially when the club is bringing in players like Mbappe and Neymar, why wouldn't he? It's not like the club haven't shown ambition.
Oh the salt in here I love it.
This is true, but at the same time he's been at PSG for 7 years now. I guess I just expected him to get bored of playing in France by now.
Juventus are about to win an 8th straight league title. Yet they do well most times. Until they get to finals but that's another story
I thinks there's more to this.
1) Special players deserve special treatment. Sad but true.
2) Sure, he would score a lot of goals in the current team but I keep in mind he was the only one player capable to score goals so the team built was built around him. Given your excitement, I have just watched his 109 goals for PSG and can't say I was overly impressed. He is a très bon renard des surfaces but that's all.
3) I agree: Colony Capital did a lot of harm
4) I agree: overconfidence very probably
1) We have an academy and just need to make our local products play...and retain players like Coman.
2) I agree
3) I'm happy to see superstars Neymar/M'bappé/Cavani at PSG. On a side note, do you remember Semak who scored 3 goals against us, was recruited and I don't if he has player more than 5 games with us!
Zero chesmistry? I think the contrary
No fighting spirit? I deeply believe the PSG players are obsessed with the Champions League BUT we need 1-2 players like Godin, Juan Pablo Sorin or Heinze in terms of attitude.
The issue is not our super stars but our secondary players like Rabiot, Meunier, Kurzawa, Kehrer (see 2nd leg against United), Lucas Moura (see his perfs at Stamford Bridge/Nou Camp), Draxler (not convinced by his long-term impact)...
Also, I don't understand why PSG recruited players like Choupomoting, Ben Arfa, Jésé...while we have some young players who need to be developed.
I can't remember us ever playing PSG before this season, I was born in 94 so not too knowledgeable of historic matches. I always thought if we were to come across them in recent times they would dick us and the first leg basically confirmed my suspicions. However we have sent them into meltdown and it's funny as feck. At least our staff and players on Tuesday were gracious in victory. Maybe this has created a new found European rival for us or am I being oot
That isn't a straight comparison. Napoli and Roma have provided a challenge to Juventus in recent years. PSG only had Monaco. I also imagine the standard of the average Serie A team is higher than the average Ligue 1 team.
Yet you keep forgetting the luck PSG had to even have to play against a severely depleted United which gave you that overwhelming odd in the first place. You forgot to mention that luck in the first half with injuries to both Martial and Lingard which allowed you to set comfortably in the second half because no one could run in behind you defense then you went and won the game comfortably(first half both team were cagey).
You forgot to mention the luck which had the referee not send off Kimpempe who went on to score you r first goal.
For some reasons you just erased all those from your memory and you keep harping on about our luck.
You mean the same Arsenal that were comfortably beating Renne until they got a man sent off?
When Shaktar and Dinamo Kiev did well in Europe was the Ukranian league necessarily ultra competitive? Basel won 8 league titles in a row and still did a decent job. I'm not sure lack of competitiveness explains it all though it is valid.
I also want to add a point about 'football 'erritage'. I think it also has to do with a total neglect of their tradition. They are (or were) a serious football club. Terrific stadium and fans. They are located in one of the wealthiest districts of Paris but their fans are as working class as they come. For a club founded less than 50 years ago their pre Qatar history is excellent. Some magnificent footballers have played for them yet they are never mentioned. You would think that the club was founded in 2010. At Barca and Madrid you have the old players watching on, commenting on the games pre and post match. As a current player you are part of a great tradition of success and anything less than total excellence means you are below the old standards set. At PSG the Qataris never acknowledge their old success. Just look at the players we invite to watch our games and look at theirs. A bunch of gaming geeks with green hair and reality tv stars. This bleeds through to the players you can bet. Why should you give a damn if you are merely here to count time rather than creating history?
Mickey Mouse hate Jews.
Been reading through this thread. Not one person has claimed that
On paper that United side had no right winning.
Corrected for you because that's who they played.
He also hates the Jonas brothers!
You don't know how to read a post
Juventus have largely won most of those league titles by significant margins bar one or two seasons.
I think PSG thought they had this game won before they even played. I contrast this to 2014 when we played Bayern. We were an awful side coached by an incompetent buffoon but Bayern went into that tie and actually showed us respect.
Someone gave a great example of Chelsea. Both PSG and Chelsea are money clubs but they seem distinctly different.. Chelsea's struggle to win in Europe were largely bad luck at late stages of the tournament. Phantom Luis Garcia goals, John Terry slips and a 'disgrace' of a referee. This PSG side are worlds away from that Chelsea side.
The last time I witnessed PSG as a ''team" was when they faced barca at home before that 6-1. They were up for it, played with passion and looked like they gave a damn about things. Nowadays I look at them they appear as a group of individuals simply made to play together. Billionaire players turning up for games just for the sake of it. This is of course what I feel about them whenever I watch them.
It still feels like Juve isn't destroying or dismantling teams as easy PSG can in their respective leagues.
They really arent taking this well are they? Bunch of cnuts
Patrice going off, love it.
And feck that Jerome Rothen ratface, I hope Uncle Pat clocks him
These cnuts have become my new favorite team to hate. More so than RM at the moment. Well done.
Instead of signing Neymar they should have spent more time and money on their midfield. Not playing Rabiot has cost them I feel.
Meh, like I said you're in one the most amazing cities in the world, loads of mates in the squad and domestically you're pissing titles and making stacks of cash, are you really going to be bored? I also feel like it's really, really hard to leave PSG, with the financial muscle they have nobody is poaching their players.
Despicable club bar Mbappe and Cavani, couldn’t have happened to a nicer bunch, up our French reds glad they have taken the piss out these plastics.
My opinion too
Bastian Schweinsteiger's brother Tobias (Co-Commentator on DAZN Germany + he was a youth coach at Bayern Munich) has said a few weeks ago that he knows from Bastian that one factor for Bayern Munich's CL elimations was that they didn't have the 100% tension in April/May because they weren't challenged in the Bundesliga since months......to have a important game every 3-4 days in the 2012-2013 season was important not just at the games but also in training.
It’s why I think we after 99 struggled to build on it.
99/00 and 00/01 the league was far too easy for us. By the time Arsenal started to wake up in 01/02 our team started to age a bit and we sold our best defender.
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