Qatar 2022 potential England squad

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    Utdstar01 Full Member

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    So after a positive tournament and a set system put into place it's quite exciting to look forward with all the big talents we have coming through at youth level.

    What sort of team could we be looking at in 2022?
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    Charles Miller Full Member Verified Moaner

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    Probably some of those kids who won the wc U-17/20 are going to be integrated to the nt.
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    We suffered in Midfield tonight massively. Could definitely see the likes of Foden and Garner coming in. The Sessegnon brothers. Sancho at LW. Kane could have a seriously good, exciting young team built around him.
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    Classical Mechanic Full Member

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    It’s impossible to say because many young players drop off whilst some players come out of nowhere.

    Names like Sancho, Mount, Hudson Odoi, Foden, Sessegnon are the most well known. I think Reece James and Trevor Chalobah are the best defensive prospects. Karamoko Dembele has a lot of hype (if he chooses England).

    But then you get a guy like James Maddison who looks a real prospect out of nowhere. Only won his first cap for England at u21 level this season.
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    We need to continue to build now. There's young English talents playing in competitive leagues regularly. I wouldn't be surprised to see the likes of Sancho and Sessegnon getting a call up the next year.
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    Kane, Sterling, Stones, Trippier, Pickford, Maguire, Rashford, Alli, Alexander-Arnold, Loftus-Cheek and Lingard should definitely be in the squad (if they keep improving). Which is a good core of players to have if they keep playing and improving together.

    Midfield is a huge problem though. Really need the young talent there to step it up.
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    We need a dominant midfielder. Pretty sure that's what dier is meant to be, but maybe someone will step up.
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    RobinLFC knows Klopp is a hypocrite

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    Reece Oxford is also still only 19 (five years younger than James for example).
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    I have high hopes for Lewis Cook. I also think Foden could make a great CM, too.
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    Would like to see England go back to a flat back four, given the prodigious talent of Sancho, Foden, and Marcus Edwards in wide areas. The latter has attitude problems but has that sprinkling of stardust, that can really punish opposition. Sancho on the left, and Foden on the right would mean England would have two wide players that can not only hurt opposition with direct dribbling, but contribute to the build up play. The creativity of Sancho and Foden would alleviate Sessegnon from his playmaking duties and allow him to focus on his off the ball movement and finishing ability. We saw in this World Cup, England really struggled to finish their chances. Granted, 9 of the 12 goals were from set pieces, concurrently, the likes of Sterling, Lingard, Rashford and Kane squandered opportunities. England lack that killer instinct, and Sessegnon is the type of player that is ruthless. Limited in many facets of the game, but when it comes to finishing, he can be quite unforgiving.

    England did well at passing out from the back, but lacked the requisite skillset in midfield to take advantage of that. Lingard/Alli are more suited to being on the end of chances, thus weren't particularly helpful in the 2nd and 3rd phase. This is where George McEachran comes in. A midfielder that has a style of play a kin to Busquets, in the sense that he spreads the ball around with his ball distribution. Winks in conjunction with McEachran could help England tremendously in this regard, by working in tandem to help with the ball retention in deep areas, a bit like how PSG operated in the past with Thiago Motta, and Verratti working in semblance.

    Trevoh Chalobah is for me, England's best defensive talent by quite some distance, exceptionally gifted on the ball, good in the air, quick to cover ground, and plays from an aesthetic standpoint, like Jerome Boateng.
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    Great thread. I was thinking we remind me a bit of Spain. 20 years ago they were like England of old, always froze at major tournaments and under performed, then they got a bit of success and the rest is history. At the end of the day who knows how 2022 squad will be as four years ago we would all have been talking about the likes of Barkley and Luke Shaw coming through and two years before Wilshire and Zaha. Look at this England squad and Tripper, McGuire, Stones, Lingard, Pickford for example, who would have named them?
    There can be optimism about the likes of Pickford, Stones, Ali, Kane, Rashford and Loftus Cheek as players under 25 and then there are a lot of youth talents, so based on what I have seen:

    GK: Pickford/??
    RCB: Joe Gomez/Alfie Mawson
    CB: John Stones/Tuanzabe
    LCB: Ro Shaun Williams/McGuire
    RWB: Trent Alexander Arnold/Ethan Laird
    LWB: Ryan Sessgnon/Luke Shaw
    DM: Lewis Cook/Phil Foden
    RM: Loftus Cheek/Angel Gomes
    LM: Dele Alli/Jadon Sancho
    AM: Rashford/Mason Greenwood
    St: Harry Kane/??

    Many may drop off the radar, but there are 5 or 6 genuinly potential world class players amongst that list for me who werent even involved at this World Cup. We may not have a better chance of winning the World Cup for a long time in terms of the draw, but the future is potentially very bright talent wise.

    PS NO havent watched a huge amount of youth football so may be a bit United biased. Sessegnon, Foden (had to fit him in defensively due to all the names), Sancho and Greenwood in particular really do look pretty special
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    Have you lot automatically qualified or something?
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    they are too used to easy routes
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    Harry Maguire was playing for Sheffield United in league one four years ago. Daft thread.
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    Point being? He was always highly rated. Pretty sure we were linked to him when he was at Sheffield United.
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    I was just thinking that our World Cup 2022 squad is going to be absolutely fantastic, as the recent flood of England youth team trophies show that we are currently cultivating some of most talented players on the planet. It also occurred to me however that right now we have the joint-youngest squad at World Cup 2018 that just made the semi-finals, and for the most part are likely to only just be entering their prime when 2022 comes around.

    Colliding these two sets of players, which up and comers not at 2018 are likely to break into the 2022 squad in your opinion, and whose place will they take?

    Will be interesting to bump this in four years’ time. If I remember.
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    Sancho, Foden, Gomes, Brewster, that lad Leicester have just signed.
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    Sessegnon and Foden (if he gets game time for club) for sure.
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    Sancho will be in the squad by Christmas. Mason Mount will have a chance. Callum Hudson-Odoi too. Chalobah would have been in this squad if fit and only has a few caps so will be an addition. Also this kid who City have just signed from Ipswich is supposed to be ridiculous so he’ll be one to watch too.
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    Don't care about Qatar one little bit.

    Would like to see some of those mentioned make 2020 euros.

    Would throw in Lookman who played well for Leipzig last season.
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    Classical Mechanic Full Member

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    I mean Chelsea’s Reece James, he’s 18. Plays right back but also centre back. Has played where Walker played in a 3-5-2 to. He's a lot better than the Reece James that came through United books too.

    Oxford could still kick on, there are loads really.
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    Early practice to mock up them from eventual fail European qualifier? :nervous:
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    If we fail to qualify the the Euros we should retire. They’ve made it so it’s harder not to qualify.
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    It should be coming home in 2022.
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    While this was a positive WC for England, a lot of the players aren't exactly young (>25) and therefore will be close to or above 30 by the time 2022 comes about.

    Walker (28), Trippier (27), Stones (24), Maguire (25), Young (33), Rose (28), Henderson (28), Lingard (25) will be old by 2022 so I doubt how much of a role they will have to play. Off them, only Stones will likely play a big role in the squad.

    There certainly still are young players in the team to develop. Sterling, Rashford, Alli, Loftus-Cheek, Trent Alex Arnold and Pickford can certainly develop into better players while Kane might be at his peak by that age (though we are seeing players peak at an earlier age and decline close to 30, rather than previously).

    It certainly is different from the German team of 2010 which had Neuer (24), Boateng (21), Ozil (21), Muller (21), Khedira (23), Kroos (20) and Gomez (24), who ended up becoming great players, but also talented players at that time like Badstuber (21), Marin (21), Jansen (23) and Tasci (23) who couldn't quite fulfill that potential. Then you also had Schweinsteiger and Lahm who matured after the competition and peaked in 4 years time.

    The key for England though is not to focus on this bunch but the next batch that they have to bring through. They have by far the most talented young players in the world so they have to focus on developing them. Ofcourse, this means teams like United, City, Chelsea, Spurs and Arsenal, who house most of those talented English players, to play them more; City and Chelsea, sadly, have the best of those group of players but are the absolute worst and promoting them.

    Ironically, Germany may be the destination to help England develop their national team. Sancho will certainly become a great player at Dortmund with the matches he is being given, Lookman looked good at Leipzeg and they want a permanent transfer for him, same for Gladbach and Reece Oxford. Foden on the other hand barely got any games for City, despite being the most talented of the group. England won't go anywhere unless they give their talented young players a chance in the coming years.
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    Agree with many thing @hasanejaz88 had to say.

    4 years in football, many things can change. The good ones of today can be a liability for the future if they ain't for the moment. Improvement is not linear, and other teams can have great growth spur between the tournament and catch up in quality.

    England fan should be proud of this tournament for the positive this team deliver after all these disappointment of past tournament, but let not get carried away. One step at a time. Promoting talented players, but be fair in selection for next tournament and build on positive spirit.
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    Sterling is a luxury we can no longer afford. 2 goals in 43 games now. I'm fed up of hearing what great runs he makes and positions he takes up - these are nothing more than a striker should be doing, however in his case they produce absolutely nothing. Kane needs a partner who will take some of the goal scoring load off him. Sterling hasn't shown he can be that player.

    Also, we're crying out for a creative midfielder. Lingard rushes around, Alli strolls around but between them they produce little.

    We have the basis of a team that could regularly challenge for honours but it needs refining. Is Southgate ruthless enough to do that? We'll see.
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    roonster09 Correctly predicted France to win World Cup 2018

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    I have not seen these predictions ever becoming reality. There was some article on how good England team would be in years

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    And then prediction from 2014, on how team will look in 2018

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    Maybe not related to this thread, point Im trying to say is, it depends on lot of factors like playing time, luck, injuries and so on.

    No one would have thought Trippier, Maguire, Pickford, Lingard, Kane would have been starting players for England when they went out in 2014. All the hype was on Wilshere, Shaw, Barkley, Sturridge.

    These young players should be played regularly to make the squad which I don't see them getting at their current clubs.
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    Trying to predict a team with any kind of worthwhile accuracy for 4 years time is a pointless and futile exercise.
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    Rather than looking at individuals, which a few cases aside are impossible to predict, it’s better to look at trends. England have had unprecedented success at junior levels over the last couple of years, which surely points to a brighter future in the international game. We just have to make sure there is a pathway for these young talents to make first team breakthroughs. Luckily, many of the up and comers are showing more boldness than their predecessors and are looking abroad for first team experience, when domestic routes appear difficult.
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    Predicting the squad for 2020 is hard enough, 2022 I might as well throw my name into the hat.
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    @hasanejaz88

    The major difference between this England team and the Germany team you mention is that there have never been any expectations for this team to become a major tournament contender. This generation was seen as more of a missing generation. Their relative success has been a big surprise. The 'cycle' England are hoping to create would start 2022.

    The team that hope to play in and do well at Qatar 2022 will be very different in terms of personnel.
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    Predicting teams for the next WC always ends up like a disasters

    The only one I would call a sure thing barring injury is Kane
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    There are a number of big talents coming through in his position. Its the one area that will hopefully be very competitive.

    The Henderson central midfield position is the worry.
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    People just picking talents from big academies in their predictions. A lot of English players in EPL came from lower league. So it's very hard to predict. Who knew Maguire 4 years ago except Sheffield Utd. fans?
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    There weren't many expectations of that German team as well, they were ofcourse talented given their U-21 win in 2009 but no one expected them to go as far as they did (and even giving Spain a real test in the semi-final). I remember many people thought England would beat them in the R16 match. I downloaded the complete BBC coverage of the match and it's always fun to go back and listen to the BBC pundits all say they will walk over that German team :D

    Muller, Boateng, Neuer, Ozil, Khedira had very few starts leading up to the tournament (all combined had 27 appreances before the start of the WC) so a lot were surprised by how well they handled the pressure. Khedira only played because of Ballack's injury in the FA Cup final while Neuer also started because of Adler's injury, and the sad death of Enke before that.

    Even for the next generation, they have to be first groomed into great players but getting a lot of playing time. England have always been consistently good at youth level but those players never reached the heights of their peers because they don't get the same playing opportunities. That will always been an issue in the money laden EPL, the combination of unlimited funds to buy superstars from abroad, high quality from the rest of the teams and immense pressure for managers to find immediate success all contribute to lack of development of English youth players.
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    If England gets a good midfielder to partner Henderson and a good left back (there are promising youngsters in both positions), they should do well, maybe even win it. I mean, France and Belgium have obviously better teams, then you have a group of teams like Croatia, England, Spain who are around the same level, so I think that the expectations will be higher than in this World Cup. And if England manages to reach the semis, then the semis and potential final will be in home ground so an advantage there. Being honest, I think that it is the first time since 2002 that England has a good chance of glory.

    Edit: was talking for Euros. Hard to know for World Cup, it is too early. Germany looked world beaters 4 years ago - and actually won it - but they are shit now. It could go either way for England, so pointless to discuss it now.
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    I think his point being it really is impossible to tell. Forecasts and predicting an XI have the potential to look very silly in two years time, let alone four. Not that I'm against the idea, however in 2011 I thought Nick Powell would be the signing to bridge the gap between Utd and Barcelona.
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    England have a crop of players coming through much more talented than this one. However, many different international sides can grow into prominence within that time frame. There's no getting around the fact that this was the opportunity. Germany and Spain knocked out from England's side, facing a Columbian side without their talisman. England with a stronger group of players in 4 years, should actually find it more difficult due to circumstances arising in this competition which were simply unprecedented.