Rank our left backs

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    settembrini Full Member

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    Best to worst. Just the ones that Mourinho has played the most there so no Mitchell etc.

    I reckon it's Blind > Shaw > Young > Darmian > Rojo.

    There's clearly no 'right answer'. Two other United fans I asked at work both gave very different lists. Mourinho's preference seems to change every few weeks. He was adamant about Shaw being fourth best last season but he might see him as fifth now with Young getting starts in the position.
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    Blind is the best. Not sure about the rest, others can look good there and hopefully Shaw will prove its actually him in due course. But for now its clearly Blind IMO.
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    At the moment I'd have Young ahead of Shaw.
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    Blind most dependable, but I think Young always does well when he plays there and it's great to see some effective crossing from one of our fullbacks. Darmian would be my third choice, then Rojo. I can't even include Shaw in my thinking because he is so far off warranting consideration - even when he's fit something doesn't seem right with him.
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    Young > Blind > Shaw > Darmian
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    Agree
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    Young > Blind > Shaw > A potted plant > Nothing > Darmian
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    Overall, I think Blind is the best option. Hard to rank Shaw really as no-one really knows where he is in the manager's plans and if he will even be given the opportunities to establish himself as first-choice, never mind actually do it. He is the best LB of the four when fit and on form but whether he will feature much or stay at United beyond the near future, who knows.
    Blind
    Young
    Darmian
    Shaw
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    Yagami Full Member

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    Defensively:
    Blind, Shaw, Young, Darmian

    Attacking:
    Young, Blind, Shaw, Darmian

    My preference would be Blind, Young, Shaw then Darmian. If Shaw could get over his injuries and find some form then he'd be first for me.
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    Shaw will get back to his best eventually. I think the next couple of seasons will see Shaw/Young rotating. Then Mitchell will come into the fold. Blind/Darmian won't last much longer. Rojo will offer temporary backup.

    At the moment, though, Blind is certainly ahead of Shaw. But I think that's more down to fitness levels than quality.
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    Young and Blind. I badly want it to be Shaw but we have to face the fact that he has everything to do to get back in contention. Rojo is far better at CB and I'm not keen on Darmian at all.

    Blind is a good footballer and dependable at both ends of the pitch, but his lack of pace is a worry and he could be more productive (as he showed for his country in the last break he can put in a mean ball).

    Young has a peach of a cross on him, can get up and down the pitch and is dogged in his tracking back despite being known as an offensive fullback. I hear his defence is questionable though to be honest I can't remember specific occasions he's been found out. I vaguely remember a similar problem to the one Tony V had (and arguably still has), in that Young has relied on his athleticism when his positional play has been found wanting.

    It's a shame we don't have a nailed-on top drawer LB given how important FBs are in the modern game but I sense I'm less worried than many on the forum about the options we have, who are good enough for the vast majority of domestic games though may come up short against the very best.
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    At the moment: Young > Blind > Darmian > Shaw. Not including Rojo as he is absolutely woeful at that position.

    Basically we're pretty shite in that position, lots of options, lack of proper quality
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    Blind is 100% the man for the job at Anfield. People go on about his lack of pace but his intelligence covers for it pretty well, he has often been effective against pacey wingers.
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    Hard to rank Shaw when we've barely seen him all season, so Young > Darmian > Blind. Darmian should play in the big away games and Young should play home games against everyone apart from the top 6. We'll most definitely bring someone in next summer, if not January.
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    Blind is solid but has no pace. Young is quick and a superb crosser, but isn't a full back. Shaw is the unknown factor: he's had such awful luck with injuries. He could be sensational, but just hasn't had the chance to get settled. Darmian seems just an average player; Rojo at left back was a disaster.

    In conclusion, we need a world class established left back, unless Shaw sorts himself out.
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    12OunceEpilogue Full Member

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    You don't hear this said too often, and I doubt you'll get many here rating Darmian above Blind. How have you come to this conclusion (genuinely curious by the way, I ain't mad)?
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    Arguably none of them are top class. What I do like is that we don't have four dead average players, they all have some strengths that can be useful in particular games. Which makes it hard to rate them linearly from best to worst, in one game Darmian could be the best option, in another game Young or Blind.

    Shaw looks out of form though, at the moment he is our worst option.
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    Blind > Young > Darmian

    Blind is an all round LB. Not pacey enough but provides good width, has good crossing and his defensive abilities are also good. Young is better offensively than Blind as he still has some pace and aims his crosses better but still a defensive liability and will need time to understand how he must be positioned in defensive situations.

    Darmian, meh... He's useful in some games when we need to have a FB who can play as an extra CB in the back but other than that he should be our least favorable option.

    Won't even bother rating Shaw at the moment.
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    Blind=Young=Darmian>Rojo>Shaw
    Shaw is never available anyway.
    Rojo is a terrible left-back.
    None of Blind/Young/Darmian sticks out as a good left-back, all have their strengths and weaknesses.

    One position i hope we upgrade massively on during next summers transfer-window.
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    Agree with Blind > Young > Darmian. Don't know how to rate Shaw, I forgot the last time he played a full game for us.
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    Blind > Young > Darmian > Fellaini > Shaw
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    In the right setup, Darmian is the best out and out left back we have (though he's more suited to being a wing back imo).
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    Blind > Darmian > Young > Shaw

    Depends on the tactics. Young is the best at going forward and whipping in crosses. In a possession tactic, its Blind. If we're parking the bus, it's Darmian.

    Shaw is just a long way from the three of them in my book.
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    Blind Young Darmian.................Shaw
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    Clearly our weakness. As for ranking LB's, that's almost impossible!
    I think Shaw might be our only official LB outside our junior players, so I guess it would be him?

    Is Blind an LB? Not really. According to Wiki he started his career at Ajax as a central midfielder/ defender and played right back when sent to
    Groningen on loan in 2009-10. When he came back to Ajax in 2010-11 he couldn't get a regular game until 2013 when he was moved back to CB. For us since 2014 he's been in a number of positions including LB but hardy a specialist LB!

    Darmian is an RB ... end of! Sure he plays for us at LB but unfortunately it's another square peg story.
    Similarly Young is a right-sided forward who has been eased back to play a more defensive role; ideally as a right wing back/forward. But his work rate and skill as well as pace makes him our best choice for LB. Strange but true :rolleyes:
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    Blind was LB when he made the step up and picked by LVG for the WC squad and got him his transfer to our club.

    Young played majority of his career on the left side, even when he was employed as supporting forward.

    I rank Blind Darmian Young on same level as LB. They're better as well as worse than each other in different situation. Shaw is behind in application, but I rate his potential higher than these 3. Of course, potential alone means jack shite at top level without application
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    Luke Shaw plays LB at Manchester United?
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    I don't rate any of them. Every one of them has major weaknesses. Young is good on attack and suspect on defence, Blind can cross the ball but is slow and weak, Darmain is ok defensively but offers nothing in attack and finally, Luke Shaw is injury prone and is unfit. We don't need a superstar just a competent defender who can bang a cross in once in a while, someone like Ricardo Rodríguez or Jose Gaya. I would avoid Danny Rose as we could pick up a European player for a fraction of the price. BTW Luke Shaw is stealing a living earning 120k per week sitting on the bench. There are stars at Real Madrid, Bayern and Juve that earn less than Luke Shaw and Lingard.
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    Young > Blind > Darmian > Rojo > Shaw
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    Currently I'd say - Young, Blind, Darmian, Shaw. But this order will fluctuate for the season like last year with centre backs.
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    I'd pick a road cone ahead of Darmian at LB
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    This. Although to be honest, harsh on Darmian to have him behind a player who has barely played no matter what his ceiling is.
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    at the minute

    Blind > Young > Darmian > Shaw

    with our hopes for this season and Shaw it certainly suggests one of our next major signings will be a left back

    Blind or Young against Mane?
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    Young
    Blind
    Darmian
    Shaw
    Rojo
    Bothwick-Jackson
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    Giggsy92 Full Member

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    For me Blind's lack of pace and poor positioning makes him a huge liability against decent attacks. Darmian's not exactly great but he's got a bit more defensive nous about him, and his lack of attacking threat won't be such an issue in games where we park the bus. Now I think about it though I wouldn't be surprised if we went for a 3-5-2 in the big games, in which case we could get away with playing Young.
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    It's a real tough call. Blind is positionally better and a smarter footballer, but once Mane gets past him it's game over. Young is better matched in terms of pace and mobility but maybe lacks a bit of nous and positional awareness. I wonder if we might see Herrera do a man-marking job similar to what he did on Hazard last season?
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    Nice one. I agree with your point about Blind's pace but I disagree Darmian has shown any more defensive qualities than him. I think Blind is a good reader of the game and, if he is caught out of position, it is only because he has tried to give us an offensive outlet. I don't think this is fair stick with which to beat Blind in a comparison with Darmian.

    To be fair I thought Darmian had a fine game this season (I think against Swansea) in which he was defensively sound and made a few good runs that led to attacks and a goal for us. However for the most part I find him a really nondescript player and despite the negatives of Blind and Young at LB I find the positives they bring to the role outweigh anything Darmian has to offer.

    I agree in a 3-5-2 it is Young all the way.
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    Blind is probably our best bet overall. Young has looked good there recently, but I do get the feeling he lacks it a bit defensively when it would come to facing the bigger teams. Obviously if Shaw can get it all together he'd be our best left back by a long distance, but he does't even seem close at the moment.
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    ^^Agreed^^
    They are all expendable in my opinion.
    I'd be prepared to trade any or all of them for just one top class option.
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    Shaw Blind Young Darmian

    always prefer a left footer at left back - Irwin was a true one off.