Ranocchia "There's a lack of tactics in the PL"

Discussion in 'Football Forum' started by Theafonis, Mar 20, 2017.

  1. Mar 20, 2017
    #1

    Theafonis In love with @Eboue

    Joined:
    Dec 13, 2013
    Messages:
    6,066
    Location:
    British Columbia
    Supports:
    Chelsea
    http://www.football-italia.net/99924/ranocchia-few-tactics-hull

    I'm not really surprised at his comments given that hardwork in the PL seems to overcome tactical instructions. Could also be the reason managers like Conte and Pochettino have succeeded in finding a fine balance between tactics and instinct/physicality.
  2. Mar 20, 2017
    #2

    dichinero Full Member

    Joined:
    Mar 19, 2013
    Messages:
    6,150
    He is right, the PL is rich yet basic.
  3. Mar 20, 2017
    #3

    DJ Jeff Not so Jazzy

    Joined:
    Jan 6, 2011
    Messages:
    2,950
    Location:
    Soaring like a candy wrapper caught in an updraft
    To be fair, its not like they're eschewed out of a pigheaded machismo. Foreign managers learn very quickly here that you have to be able to keep up physically first and foremost in the PL.
  4. Mar 20, 2017
    #4

    Joga Bonito Full Member

    Joined:
    Jul 14, 2014
    Messages:
    6,729
    :lol:
  5. Mar 20, 2017
    #5

    acnumber9 Full Member

    Joined:
    Jun 21, 2006
    Messages:
    11,655
    Does he know that we sell pasta here?
  6. Mar 20, 2017
    #6

    Charlie Foley Full Member

    Joined:
    Mar 11, 2012
    Messages:
    5,207
    Sshh, don't tell him
  7. Mar 20, 2017
    #7

    narnar Needs Help

    Joined:
    Oct 27, 2006
    Messages:
    11,724
    Location:
    N. Ireland
    The problem is he only eats proper pasta.
  8. Mar 20, 2017
    #8

    ivaldo Mediocre Horse Whisperer, s'up wid chew?

    Joined:
    Nov 15, 2012
    Messages:
    13,540
    It's an odd thing to say about the PL, especially with the influx of managers and players that's come in from supposedly tactically superior leagues. Simply, the tactics he and others are accustomed to simply don't work in this league.
  9. Mar 20, 2017
    #9

    ivaldo Mediocre Horse Whisperer, s'up wid chew?

    Joined:
    Nov 15, 2012
    Messages:
    13,540
    With only 600,000 Italians living in the UK he's never going to get proper pasta.
  10. Mar 20, 2017
    #10

    Pexbo has never watched Star Wars

    Joined:
    Jun 2, 2009
    Messages:
    34,907
    Location:
    Brizzle
    Exactly.

    The Top 6 clubs can't play the same tactical game because the next 14 clubs don't play a brand that allow it.
  11. Mar 20, 2017
    #11

    clarkydaz Full Member

    Joined:
    Oct 25, 2013
    Messages:
    6,550
    Location:
    manchester
    Inter Milan to Hull and its not quite the same?
  12. Mar 20, 2017
    #12

    Infordin Full Member

    Joined:
    Sep 7, 2016
    Messages:
    1,450
    Supports:
    Barcelona
    What is that supposed to mean?

    What do the bottom half teams of the PL supposedly do that the bottom half teams of other leagues do not?
  13. Mar 20, 2017
    #13

    Sly Hang Ten

    Joined:
    Mar 5, 2013
    Messages:
    8,296
    Location:
    Lisbon
    Supports:
    Sporting Clube Portugal
    No miracles on the sun though. It was the thing i missed the most when i worked for a brief time in Wales. Of course it wouldn't bother me as much if i was earning Ranocchia's paycheck
  14. Mar 20, 2017
    #14

    zeekey Full Member

    Joined:
    Jul 28, 2015
    Messages:
    1,772
    Yeah can't imagine there would be much difference between Hull and Milan. Erm, they both have air...
  15. Mar 20, 2017
    #15

    Keeps It tidy Hates Messi

    Joined:
    Jun 6, 2013
    Messages:
    11,460
    Location:
    New York
    I wonder how many foreign players and foreign managers does the PL need before this stereotype goes away.
  16. Mar 20, 2017
    #16

    JinnerJamie Small ginger

    Joined:
    Jan 26, 2011
    Messages:
    7,775
    Location:
    The Kings Town of Hull
    We're the UK city of culture you know...
  17. Mar 20, 2017
    #17

    Attila Full Member

    Joined:
    Apr 12, 2013
    Messages:
    9,836
    Supports:
    Trad Bricks
    I think Mourinho said the same once
  18. Mar 20, 2017
    #18

    Theonas Full Member

    Joined:
    Aug 2, 2013
    Messages:
    2,962
    How can it be a stereotype when the people most qualified to judge such things have been saying it? Mourinho, Ancelotti, Xabi Alonso to name a few have all said similar things. If it was something arm chair fans talked about, you would have a point but it clearly isn't.
  19. Mar 20, 2017
    #19

    Pexbo has never watched Star Wars

    Joined:
    Jun 2, 2009
    Messages:
    34,907
    Location:
    Brizzle
    Partake in tactical football themselves. It takes two to tango and the majority of the bottom half of the table throw ten men behind the ball and go for a smash and grab. It's quicker, more physical and as Pep moans about "more play for the second ball". It doesn't lend to a technical game.
  20. Mar 20, 2017
    #20

    K2K Full Member

    Joined:
    Jun 7, 2015
    Messages:
    12,947
    Location:
    "Can Manchester United score? They always score"
    This will descend into my league is better than yours thread in 3..2..1
  21. Mar 20, 2017
    #21

    Sunspear17 New Member

    Joined:
    Sep 1, 2015
    Messages:
    108
    Supports:
    Chelsea
    Yeah, and out of those 600,000, about 590,000 of them probably live and work in London lol.
  22. Mar 20, 2017
    #22

    giorno Full Member

    Joined:
    Jul 20, 2016
    Messages:
    5,208
    Location:
    Milano
    Supports:
    Real Madrid
    Tbf, compared to the serie A, the premier league really is less tactical, at least defensively. Managers in general tend to work less on tactical organization and more with the ball. It's part of the english football culture. You play at home in full stadiums with great atmosphere and fans pushing you to attack, attack, attack, you naturally will play with more energy and aggression, at the cost of mantaining tactical organization. Most managers in italy are like Conte, tactical maniacs who do a lot of video sessions and prepare for the opponents down to the very last insignificant detail. Most teams, even the big teams, prepare games on the opponent. They will focus on what the other team is good at, what they want to do, and work on ways to take that away from them, rather than focus on their own strengths(Sarri at Napoli being a big exception). They don't do that as much in england. Players are used to different training methods and it's hard to change things

    Still, compared to 15-20 years ago, i don't think there's that much of a difference anymore.

    Also heard Di Canio and Vialli mention the weather as not helping with doing tactical work, but i don't know about that.
  23. Mar 20, 2017
    #23

    matherto ask me about our 50% off sale!

    Joined:
    Nov 3, 2009
    Messages:
    10,910
    He sounds like an elitist knob.

    I mean, he's pretty much bang right about everything, but he still sounds like an elitist knob.
  24. Mar 20, 2017
    #24

    giorno Full Member

    Joined:
    Jul 20, 2016
    Messages:
    5,208
    Location:
    Milano
    Supports:
    Real Madrid
    Said this after his first game at inter. A home draw against udinese. Mentioned that he prepared the game the same way he did at chelsea, but serie A is much more tactical than PL so he needed to work more on that as teams in italy prepare the game on the opponents and in much greater detail. Then again, it was 2008, and after 3 games mourinho revertes back to the same tactics used by mancini and pissed the league. Didn't really need to work that much on tactics to win with that team
  25. Mar 20, 2017
    #25

    giorno Full Member

    Joined:
    Jul 20, 2016
    Messages:
    5,208
    Location:
    Milano
    Supports:
    Real Madrid
    He's a bit of a moron. Also inter fans celebrated his sale like they won another treble :lol:
  26. Mar 20, 2017
    #26

    T00lsh3d Full Member

    Joined:
    Mar 20, 2014
    Messages:
    416
    Poor sod. I've lived in Hull many years and even I struggle with a strong east hull accent
  27. Mar 20, 2017
    #27

    Moonred Full Member

    Joined:
    Nov 15, 2012
    Messages:
    8,636
    Location:
    Virgo Supercluster
    He is lucky that there isn't any for his own sake.
  28. Mar 20, 2017
    #28

    ivaldo Mediocre Horse Whisperer, s'up wid chew?

    Joined:
    Nov 15, 2012
    Messages:
    13,540
    62,000 in London :p
  29. Mar 20, 2017
    #29

    VP Full Member

    Joined:
    May 19, 2006
    Messages:
    10,779
    Tactics tend to get overplayed on here - understandable given it's a forum but football's essentially a game of instinct.
  30. Mar 20, 2017
    #30

    adexkola American Arse

    Joined:
    Mar 17, 2008
    Messages:
    26,712
    Location:
    Me, and you. Yo momma, and yo cousin too.
    Supports:
    orderly disembarking on planes
    This is a variant of "Barcelona/Real Madrid wouldn't be able to perform at the Brittania (on a wet, cold and windy Wednesday night™ ©)".
  31. Mar 20, 2017
    #31

    Vialli_92 Full Member

    Joined:
    Jan 9, 2014
    Messages:
    1,771
    Location:
    Ireland
    Supports:
    Juventus
    Well as an Italian i can say it's very hard to get a good plate of pasta in England.
  32. Mar 20, 2017
    #32

    BennyBlanco fixated with Shaw's bum

    Joined:
    Jul 21, 2011
    Messages:
    5,459
    :lol::(
  33. Mar 20, 2017
    #33

    Billy Blaggs No mates but his cousins love him

    Joined:
    Nov 6, 2000
    Messages:
    15,753
    Location:
    Accidental founder of Blaggstianity.
    Lack of tactics? Everything is a tactic.
    They might suck and they might be basic but they are still tactics.
    It's not like Italy is pulling up trees lately.
  34. Mar 20, 2017
    #34

    Sigma Full Member

    Joined:
    Mar 6, 2015
    Messages:
    8,190
    Location:
    Monstropolis
    I think he's been good for Hull whenever i've seen them play
  35. Mar 20, 2017
    #35

    WackyWengerWorld Full Member

    Joined:
    May 30, 2016
    Messages:
    1,522
    Supports:
    Arsenal
    Moaning about the rain in Hull? Lad deserves to live in the Penines, then he'll know what real rain is.
  36. Mar 20, 2017
    #36

    AlecHDR Angry, incoherent heterosexual slob

    Joined:
    Jan 13, 2017
    Messages:
    896
    That's why it is beautiful. Chaos, headless chickens, and last ditch defending. What's not to love?
  37. Mar 20, 2017
    #37

    Pace Abuser Full Member

    Joined:
    Jul 25, 2016
    Messages:
    283
    I think it was Graeme Taylor who said that the working man doesn't work all week to then see "cultured" football with 14 passes around your own box; he wants to watch a fast game full of thrills. (Something like that)

    We just don't want boring football. And too much tactical instruction or rigidity does that to the match. As amazing as Spain were in their international wins, they were boring to watch in the extreme.
  38. Mar 20, 2017
    #38

    T00lsh3d Full Member

    Joined:
    Mar 20, 2014
    Messages:
    416
    He has. I had my doubts (mostly from inter fans celebrating his departure) but he's been a decent acquisition. Probably gone a bit unnoticed by Hull fans as Maguire and Dawson are big fan favourites but he has been good.
  39. Mar 20, 2017
    #39

    Sparky Rhiwabon Full Member

    Joined:
    Jul 10, 2013
    Messages:
    7,881
    He lives in Yorkshire I'm afraid.
  40. Mar 20, 2017
    #40

    Red For Ever Full Member

    Joined:
    Jul 30, 2006
    Messages:
    2,364
    Did you find owt down tenfoot in ull