Discussion in 'Football Forum' started by shamans, Jul 11, 2018.
And I just don't want you to be right.
Everyone talks about how going abroad is some kind of massive test, it's not when that team is Real Madrid and they have one of the greatest players of all time banging in fifty goals a game.
If hed gone to Athletico or Napoli that would have been a challenge. Going to that Madrid team was a lay up.
People give Bale far too much props for going to Madrid.
Exactly what I thought too, wtf is going on there?
Yeah I thought @shamans was bat shit crazy starting this thread when he did. Now I know he’s the oracle.
I’m also never going to make another prediction thread. Retiring on a high.
The so-called best squad and best midfield in the world, what a joke.
Hilarious. Euphoria and denial are over.
For love of christ Madrid! We gave you Ronaldo! Save us!
Players like Benzema, Bale, Kroos, Marcelo? etc. are probably playing their last season at Real Madrid.
Once the coach is gone it is time to aim the players.
As @giorno has said Modric and Kroos seem without too much energy.
Asensio also bad again. After the initial rumor El confidencial already speaks of la noche madrileña.
After a prefabricated interview in Marca to explain what he said("I don't have to lead,blabla" )I expected a very good match.
Bale should have been sold after the goal in Champions. Each game loses value.
We'll still win the CL though, no worries
Poch, Eriksen and Hazard in over the summer?
Bale is going nowhere he's at Madrid for life
Its still a great squad, but they lack motivation now.
I mean, these player can't win anything else than they have already won with Real Madrid.
I bet Perez will sell some players for the next season.
Let’s see, on paper, they have the so called best player in the world this year in Modric, best midfield combo in Modric+Kroos+Casmiero,
in defense they have top 3 Ballon D’or contender in Varane,
best defender/leader last season in Ramos, best full back in Marcelo and Carvajal
Best GK option in Navas and Courtois
In attack they still have Bale and Benzma, who are supposed to shine this season without having play 2nd fiddle to Ronaldo, and also Isco and Ascensio, some of the best young talents around.
Basically they are generally rated as easily the best squad in the world, minus Ronaldo plus Courtois.
They are either great squad in some unexplainable bad form, or just massively overrated on paper. Either way it getting just like us during Moyes/LVG/Mourinho era.
(Best squad in Premierleague but finished 7th during Moyes era, most expensive squad in world but currently struggle to stay top 6 in league)
Football is about quality, but at the same time players need to maintain their level which is really hard actually.
Only Messi and Cr7 reached and maintained top level for almost 10 years, the others at best can reach 5 years and thats it.
Even Maradona didn't have more than 6 years at top level, then the rest of his career was inconsistent.
A lot of RM players already reached their peak.
And RM struggling in La Liga is not actually new, it happened many times with other great players.
We dodged a bullet. Does this count as Woodward being astute in the transfer market for once?
Madrid having a terrible season but still 6th. I wonder how to describe our situation then? At least they have already sacked their coach and tried to solve the issue. We have no ambition and are stuck with mediocrity
I remember when Ronaldo didn't score for Juve in the first 2-3 games and Benzema scored 2-3 goals at that time. Suddenly people were saying that Ronaldo's goals were mostly because of Madrid's midfield and without him Benzema will start to score some crazy amounts of goals... Now its clear that they needed new striker.
Even Barcelona are not ripping up the league this season. Makes me wonder where they would be now if Messi had left in the summer.
Until we sign him this summer
I wouldn't worry. I'm sure some clueless CEO will happily buy a big name regardless of performances, those partnering agreements with industrial air conditioning unit providers and Indonesian chewing gum manufacturers don't sign themselves
Ehem, 5-1 against Madrid without Messi.
Suárez, Dembélé, Arthur, Cou or even Malcolm would have stepped in.
Yes, but against a piss poor Madrid. Clasico or not, it just isn't as impressive this season.
Don't laugh mate, don't be shocked if Bale is identified as our #1 target this summer yet again and this time we might even get him.
I can see us offloading Sanchez in the summer and Woodward will identify Bale as his replacement, for about £150m.
Old, not replaced outgoing quality and unmotivated, this is what happens. Barcelona look pretty crap too, can't see either of them winning the CL this season. I fear the trophy will be going to one of our two rivals.
How are they so, so shit and only 5 points off the top?
They're the La Liga version of us. Only difference is they still have loads of class players, us not so much.
We actually have 21pts from 13 games compared to Madrid's 20pts.
But the problem is City have 35 whilst Barca only have 25.
I really hope that we'd tell Bale to F off if Madrid finally want shut of him, but no doubt we'll be there wagging our tail again.
Their stats last year were amazing, but then you watched the team and it was hard to see the great team the table made them out to be. Madrid's drop off is not surprising, an old squad, most of their key players in their late 20's early 30's, and coming off numerous long seasons with international tournaments behind them. Now trying to integrate younger players and it is a mess. They have the money to find their way out quickly but it could be a transitional period.
Barca have already started a rebuild, with Arthur, Dembele, Semedo, Umtiti, Lenglet, Ter Stegen. Group there at the right age to move forward with over the next few years.
This bunch was already unmotivated enough after the 3 out 4 period, so what to expect after the 4 out of 5 one. I think Real Madrid nowadays is one of the biggest examples of death by success I can remember in football. Results should be worse if the squad is worse of course, but not as bad as in the last months. If Florentino doesn't sign a couple of big names in January this will be a very clear transitional season.
Jesus. Can I just laugh for a bit during these gloomy days?
RM in a nutshell:
Courtois - Didn't bring much to the table or justified his fee. Right now it seems like a downgrade from Navas
Ramos - Probably one of the best defenders going forward but his skills as a defender are borderline average and is pretty much red card prone
Varane - Since he came from the WC looks like a Championship defender.
Marcelo - Didn't expect him to decline this much. Easily one of the players I always highly rated in that RM squad
Kroos - Doesn't give 2 f*cks anymore. Looks like he is ready to retire
Modric - Last season he was mediocre most games but everyone seemed to forget that because of his WC performances. Most likely he will win a Ballon'or when you can easily pick a few players that are better than him in his position atm.
Asensio - Cleary overrated in the past. Last season saved RM in a couple of games but after that, I struggle to remember a single game where he showed half the potential people thought he had
Benzema - Benzema being Benzema pretty much. Still has a decent goal record this season although he is probably one of the worst finishers I ever saw. Can't score a tap-in even if his grandma life depended on that.
Bale - Can't remember a more overrated player tbh. Every season he has a couple good games, scores in a final and people forget how sh*t he was 90% of the time (+ the injuries).
I believe that Florentino wanted to prove that Real Madrid without Ronaldo would still be the same Real Madrid that dominated Europe so he didn't even bother to buy proper reinforcements to minimize the impact of him leaving (although they would still have a lot of problems even if he stayed). They lack a real leader that never gives up and wants to win no matter what. Having a player that scores 40+ games a season helps to disguise the team's flaws as well.
Madrid want to sign Brahim in winter, if not they´ll try to bring him in summer. He doesn´t want to renew
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However, there are other journalists who distrust, since his agent is the brother of Guardiola
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That picture is AWFUL...
It looks like he's air kicked!
Pretty much all this. Their squad is quite similar to the one Moyes inherited - a mix of winners on the decline (Ramos/Marcelo, Rio/Evra), some youth who don't seem to possess outstanding potential (Asensio/Welbeck), declining, aging or crocked forwards (Benzema/Bale, Rooney/RvP).
Eerie similarity. Perez needs to choose the next manager carefully, or Real could spiral into a few years of mediocrity. Of course, even their standards of mediocrity are likely to be higher than the depths we plumbed thanks to Ed and the managers he hired, but it would still be a phase of decline.
Never thought that i would read this about RM but everything is just about right. They didn't invest in the first team after James. That's what you get when you let your team stale
In other words, we dodged multiple bullets here: Varane, Bale, Kroos, Modric? Guess I have to give credit to Woodward for being astute in the transfer market...
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