Real Madrid need to get ready for a terrible season

Discussion in 'Football Forum' started by shamans, Jul 11, 2018.

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    Cezzine New Member

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    If Ramos or Varane get injured there is no problem, Nacho is an amazing defender. With Casemiro injured there would be a problem, we have more midfielders but no one as Casemiro.

    He is much better than the other six combined. Also has won more than the other six combined... The most ridiculous post ever!

    Me too, I still can't believe what I just read hahaha.
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    Kentonio Full Member

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    This is actually a much fairer statement than some of mine about Diaz. He frustrated me so much last year, that I'm probably over villainizing him a bit. Thinking about it more calmly, it probably was those wasteful long range shots that played a fairly big role in annoying me so much. I still wouldn't have wanted him at Chelsea in any way, shape or form, but perhaps I'm being a little over harsh about his talent.

    I guess we'll see this season.
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    Cezzine New Member

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    That is your oppinion, just that. We are obviously talking only about the French League.

    Not only about goals, its everything. Saying one teared the league into pieces while the other in a far worse team, also being young and his first year in that league, is more being a fanboy than objetive.

    It looks so different because one is the French golden boy that cost 180M while the other guy was a young Hispanic Dominican guy, who didn't played in Madrid because they had CR7, Bale, Benzema, Isco, Asensio, Lucas, Morata and James fighting for the same 3 spots.

    I also think Mbappe is better as a player, but I don't hink he was much better last season in the French League.

    You can't say that when you are comparing Lyon to PSG, its much easier to score goals when you have Neymar, Cavani, Di Maria, etc playing woth you in attack, and you dominate the other teams just every game. Its not even a fair comparison.

    Mariano is a striker, his qualities are being a goalscorer, a poacher. He is quick, he fights every ball, he is intelligent. He definitely doesn't gets as involved int he game as Mbappe, but they have different roles and are very different kind of players.

    Shooting from +30 meters shows he has that much confidence. There was another guy in Madrid that made that 100 times per game and managed to win the Ballon D'or 5 times haha. It can get people mad, it happened with me with Ronaldo, but its part of being a striker.

    What the hell are you talking about??

    I don't fecking care how old is Mbappe, being young doesn't means anything, its not an argument to say that you tear in pieces a League! It helps to say that it was a great League for his age, but tearing it is the same if you have 19, 26 or 33 as Ronaldo.

    Tearing a League is what the Brazilian Ronaldo did with Barcelona when he was 18, what Ronaldo made with United when he was 21/22, or what Messi made with Barcelona when he was also 21 (Ronaldo and Messi were scoring 40 goals in a season while playing in much better leagues than the French and also being very young huh?...)

    What Mbappe did was a very good performance for his age, only that. Very far from tearing anyting.

    In fact, the only thing he teared in all the season was Argentina in the World Cup, that's it. So stop please all that hype, the boy is great for his age but still far from being up there with the top players.

    So I don't care what you saw, it doesn't changes anything. Mbappe is a guy that for getting him you have to pay more than 200M, and guarantee him a place as a starter and superstar wages (in a possition that Madrid has already covered), while Mariano was bought for 22M for being a replace for Benzema, and with his age is an amazing option for getting better and then, if he gets good enough, he will take the place of Benzema as a starter, or will be sold for the triple of money he was bought, as Madrid made with Morata, precisely selling him to Chelsea...
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    MVBDX New Member

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    Focus in a negative sense, sure, like a stalker.

    But supporting the club and being positive? That could've been true a decade ago.
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    Kentonio Full Member

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    Look, you're clearly just a Madrid fan who can't bear to hear that your returning player was pretty shite last year. You've talked a lot of crap about the French league while making it absolutely obvious that you don't actually watch French football. Now you're straying into absolute bizzaro-land about Mbappe, just because you want to try and big up Mariano.

    Just stop. Seriously, We've all said that Diaz might go on to surprise us at Madrid, but that doesn't magically rewrite history and make him into some legend of Ligue 1 on his performances last year.
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    GatoLoco New Member

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    What do you mean by being more present in the game? Playmaking? Finishing? A little bit of everything?

    I say this because I think Madrid has plenty of playmakers (Asensio, Isco, Benzema, Bale, Modric, Kroos, perhaps Vinicius) and not enough finishers. So if Mariano's main problem is his lack of playmaking abilities I don't think it's too serious, especially if he's going to part from the bench.
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    JPRouve can't stop thinking about balls - NOT deflategate

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    With Lyon Mariano had the tendency to spend a lot of time out of the box, in places where he wasn't going to score and since he isn't really a playmaker Lyon were basically playing with one less player in attack. He needs to either commit to the poacher style or develop his overall game and continue to move everywhere like he currently does.

    Edit: In terms of style he thinks that he is Benzema when he is in fact closer to a Klose.
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    Schneckerl Full Member

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    I only read game reports and player evaluations/ratings and those seem the exact opposite of anti-Madrid to me. Don't know about their stories/rumors to be honest.
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    BalanceUnAutreJoint New Member

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    Striker vs Midfielder.
    And Mariano doesn't know how to do anything besides shooting.
    Comparing Mariano to Fekir is laughable and any Lyon fan would tell you as much.

    Mariano was maybe Lyon's 8th best player behind Depay,Fekir,Traore,Ndombele,Mendy,Lopes and Aouar
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    giorno Full Member

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    You guys don't get it, the average madridista is worse than a rawkite, any paper that asks whether real madrid is or isn't better than sliced bread is automatically anti-madridista
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    SadlerMUFC Full Member

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    I'm amazed at how many people can't detect the exxageration in my post and figured most would know that for the most part my tongue is firmly planted in my cheek, but I guess I have too much faith in people.

    OK....So he wouldn't be our worst defender. But the guy is still extremely over rated. As for staying on the field:

    http://www.espn.com/soccer/real-mad...s-breaks-record-with-19th-red-card-in-la-liga
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    Santi_Mesut_Alexis_87 New Member

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    Still early, but they look promising. Many players will step up without Ronaldo.
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    GatoLoco New Member

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    Quite sadly, the difference between idiocy and irony/exagerattion/sarcasm in Internet is hard to detect when a large crowd is involved.

    For stayining on the field an average Joe is enough. To make the difference scoring decisive goals vs Bayern, Atletico, while having very good defensive performances I will take Ramos please.
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    MVBDX New Member

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    Or maybe some Madridistas are worse because even when they win a historic 3-peat, they'd just nag 24/7, calling themselves objective and whatnot.
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    SadlerMUFC Full Member

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    Yes, he comes up with some big goals. No doubt. But his first job is to defend. Goals are a bonus. And defending is not his strong suit. I'm still amazed at how many people are tricked into thinking he is world class. He has great leadership skills. No doubt. But his defending is horrible, and as a central defender, that's your first job...
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    Keeps It tidy Hates Messi

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    But, he is great in the air, his pace allows Real to play a high line is great on the ball and might be the best CB ever in terms of attacking set pieces. He does not deserve all his best defender awards and to make the World Team of the Year every year but, he is still a great player.
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    el3mel Full Member

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    A bad season for Madrid is a season without major trophies, even finishing second or third is considered failure for them if not accompanied by CL or Cup win, so this thread is still on till they win a major trophy this season.
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    #07 makes new threads with tweets in the OP

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    This thread should probably just be called Real Madrid 2018-19, as I reckon Madrid will do well enough this season.
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    SadlerMUFC Full Member

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    Great footballer...not a great defender. Reminds me of David Luiz in a way. He's a player who has talent. Just seems as though he is playing in the wrong position. Perhaps he would have been better as a DM with players behind him...
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    giorno Full Member

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    Nag what? Come on. As is anti-madridista because it's not a PR extension of the club like Sport or MD for barcelona. That's the extent of their anti-madridismo. They employ Roncero ffs
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    giorno Full Member

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    Sergio Ramos is a phenomenal defender when he's locked in. His only real problems are he tends to lose focus and concentration a bit too easily, especially against weaker teams, and sometimes gets in his own head or lets opponents get into his head(Diego Costa always manages to goad him into cnutish competitions)

    Even so, he's still one of the best defenders in the world
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    roonster09 Correctly predicted France to win World Cup 2018

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    So Sergio Ramos who has won everything there is to win at both club level and for national team, every trophy as undisputed starter to the team and a leader is questioned whether he is good enough, or is he among the best in the world?

    He is class, yes he is reckless and switches off sometimes but overall he is just superb defender. He is best in the world and always among the best in the world in last 10 years, probably from even longer.
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    MVBDX New Member

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    LOL what? Forget not being a PR extension, it's published billions of bullshit "news" about the club. Ten Ronceros wouldn't change that, he's just there to make them look like Madridistas in the eyes of the unaware.
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    MrEleson New Member

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    Nothing like David Luiz. Ramos is actually a World Class defender and not just good at the other aspects of the game. He just tends to lose his head easily. David Luiz isn't a great defender at all.
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    GatoLoco New Member

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    Is his first job to defend? Yes, and that's what he does.

    Are goals a bonus? No, they are not. Goals are a very important factor to get you victories, which is what every team aims for.

    Is he world class? Yes, he is. The problem is that there are people, in 2018, who still think he's NOT, after more than a decade playing top tier football.

    Is his defending horrible? Absolutely not. Nothing further from the truth. You don't last more than 10 years at Real Madrid (especially here) and the Spanish NT if your defending is horrible.

    Ramos is a player that elevates the quality of a team massively in almost every known aspect, but still some people speak about him as if he was some amateur division player. I don't know what's wrong here really.
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    Ishdalar Full Member

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    Not about the club, about board related issues, because it happens that their war is against Florentino, not Real Madrid.

    For a Madridista it might look like the same as hating on Real Madrid, but from an outside point of view, it isn't. It all started when *allegedly* Florentino helped Marca take down Calderon, and Calderon had allengiances/asked for help in AS, then the change of term came and most AS journos got nothing from Florentino while Marca were scooping everything ahead of time.

    Only went worse as the biggest players AS built a relationship with (Salgado, Raul, Guti, Casillas and such) were being cleaned from the club and they started losing inside information to compete against Marca, leaving them isolated and still attacking Florentino in some edges, which translates to "antimadridista" for a lot of people.
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    Vato Watches other men wank.Supports Real.Coincidence?

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    Agree 100%

    The funny thing is that they wait for Ramos to make a mistake to call him a shit defender while at the same time claiming de Gea is the best keeper in the world and closing their eyes from the blunders he makes himself.
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    ivaldo Mediocre Horse Whisperer, s'up wid chew?

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    Eh? DDG isn't the best keeper in the world?
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    JPRouve can't stop thinking about balls - NOT deflategate

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    He is saying that DDG's rare mistakes have no impacts on his status while Ramos's rare mistakes see him labelled as shit by some.
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    ivaldo Mediocre Horse Whisperer, s'up wid chew?

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    I know what he's saying, but the anology is pretty poor. DDG is widely considered as the best keeper in the world. Such a claim fegarding Ramos is hugely debatable.
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    JPRouve can't stop thinking about balls - NOT deflategate

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    I'm not sure about the widely, my experience could be wrong but most people have Neuer as the best goalkeeper and after him it's everyone giving a different name from Navas to Ter Stegen and De Gea.
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    ivaldo Mediocre Horse Whisperer, s'up wid chew?

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    I think it was the case up until about a year ago, but to me it's firmly shifted into DDGs favour.
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    JPRouve can't stop thinking about balls - NOT deflategate

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    I'm not sure where you saw the shift but fair enough.
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    Keeps It tidy Hates Messi

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    JPRouve can't stop thinking about balls - NOT deflategate

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    I know, if there is a shift it's in favor of Oblak and even then it's only because Neuer was injured. De Gea because of United isn't rated as he probably should.
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    SadlerMUFC Full Member

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    Umm...so he's great when he's "locked in" and his only problem is "he tends to lose focus"....in other words, he's about as over rated as they come lol
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    SadlerMUFC Full Member

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    "Tends to lose his head easily"...but he's world class???
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    THIS
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    JPRouve can't stop thinking about balls - NOT deflategate

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    This has to be one of the worst video(image) analysis that I have seen.