Rebuilding Real Madrid - how do you do it? | buy well

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    Eboue nasty little twerp with crazy bitter-man opinions

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    How does salt drip? It's not a liquid
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    JPRouve can't stop thinking about balls - NOT deflategate Scout

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    At 800°c, salt melts and can drip.
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    gaucho_10 Full Member

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    Like flea on a shit. Now yours is pouring, but his is still dripping because it melted first after Ronaldo was sold without anyone telling him how great he was for us.
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    amolbhatia50k Sneaky bum time

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    It was preceded by an enormous amount of spending so there's that.
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    Peyroteo Professional Ronaldo PR Guy

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    Salt of what? I always root for Madrid over Barca in Spain. It's Real Madrid fans complaining, not me. Or was I imagining the chants for Florentino to resign?

    Your success in the past years happened because of the business done before it, not because of the business done during it. It wasn't Ceballos and Theo Hernandez that won you the CL titles.

    Since 2016/17 it's been one feck up one after the other and you went from the best team in the world to the complete mess that was last season. It was incredibly poor management. This summer you're just doing at once what should have been done smoothly during the past 3 years.
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    Andycoleno9 Full Member

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    Techically, 4 CL in exactly last 5 years. But one CL here and there...:)
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    Peyroteo Professional Ronaldo PR Guy

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    Not like I was saying the exact same thing since 2017 while Ronaldo was at the club, right? What an idiot.

    It was great at the start of the summer in 2017:

    Then at the end of the summer it was obvious it was turning into a disaster:

    Then you didn't buy a forward and the following summer you sold Cristiano Ronaldo and bought in Mariano... You ended up winning the Champions League in 2018 despite your management sabotaging their own team. Jovic is the Morata replacement, Militão is the Pepe replacement, Mendy is Marcelo's successor... all of it should have happened way before now.
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    gaucho_10 Full Member

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    If you look at things without context then everthing except winnig everything is failure because one can always go back and say "this should have been done differently".

    Here's how it looks, looking at it from the inside:


    1. Nothing last forever regardless of how hard you try and how good your decisions are

    2. Buying "cheap Spanish talent" while the player prices were going to the moon and our first team still had few years in them was a gamble, but it was done at the right time. It didn't work out but we can live with that. Besides, all of those players will be sold without financial loss.

    3. Ronaldo was not replaced because Perez hoped Bale will take over now that Ronaldo is not here any more. Bale was his project, it was always going to happen and I as a fan just had to accept that.

    4. We lost one season and we will have a squad ready for figthing on all fronts in a month. All our signing will be financed by player sale so we're not really spending money but we're getting the players we need.

    It couldn't have been better for us these last 6 years even in our wildest dreams and financially this period was also great for the club (spending nothing and winning so much, getting huge new shirt sponsor and Adidas deals based on that recent success in CL). One bad season doesn't change that. It means nothing. We reset now, get the hunger back into the squad and we start fresh. It's awesome all together.
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    Lee565 New Member

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    With Bale completely frozen out they should go after Sane, a front 3 of Hazard, Jovic, Sane with be quite formidable.
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    dove Full Member

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    How do you do it? A complete opposite of what we do. Be ruthless, sign quality players and again, be ruthless. No BS like "he deserves at least 3 years" etc.
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    Keeps It tidy Hates Messi

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    Hazard and Sane are best in the same position.
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    Lee565 New Member

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    Could Sane not perform as someone that comes inside from the right wing? he has everything in his locker to think he could do just as well in that role as the likes of Robben or Bale have done
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    McGrathsipan Full Member

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    I was never implying they are as bad as us but they do need to refresh their playing staff. Same as United - although our rot goes much deeper. That is not even a debate.
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    Keeps It tidy Hates Messi

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    If he could I think Pep and Low would have tried them there.
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    sp_107 New Member

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    More or Less this is going to be their team. one from Erikson/Pogba or Pjanic I think

    Beauty is the rebuild will be complete in few weeks. That is how you sign players
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    duffer Sensible and not a complete jerk like most oppo's Scout

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    Who will be their starting goalie?
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    Peyroteo Professional Ronaldo PR Guy

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    What I'm saying now is what I said in 2017 and 2018, I showed you the posts. I'm not criticizing retrospectively. I was criticing Perez for how he was killing that team as it was happening even when they were winning CL titles. I criticized him for the past few years but I praise him for what he's doing this summer too. I think he's got it right this time around and he's redeeming himself.
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    carvajal Full Member

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    Courtois.Luca will be the second
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    Acheron Full Member

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    He was been very stuck up about the club's success by neglecting to reinforce some areas and thinking the team would keep going like that even after losing Ronaldo and Zidane leaving. At least it seems last season has given him a reality check and now is back on track and supporting Zidane.
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    JPRouve can't stop thinking about balls - NOT deflategate Scout

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    Is he good or pure nepotism?
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    DWelbz19 Correctly predicted Portugal to win Euro 2016

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    He’s shite. Keylor is still probably the best keeper at the club.
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    simonhch Horrible boss

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    Genuine question, not being a smart arse, but how are all your signings going to be covered by player sales this summer? If they spend 300-400M, as has been mooted, who are they possibly going to sell to cover that sort of outlay?
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    Raven Full Member

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    In answer to the OP, probably, the way they're going about it.
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    RoyH1 Full Member

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    Not Lunin? Luca is in no way good enough to be 2nd keeper for top team. If he stays, that would be a shameful case of nepotism.
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    carvajal Full Member

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    This year I have not seen Castilla but everyone says he has improved a lot.
    I think he is in the lower categories of France.
    Lunin will go on loan.
    Yes, it is pure nepotism. The revitalization / help in Luca's career may be one of his motivations for training, as it was with Enzo years ago
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    MVBDX New Member

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    Not to mention Vinicius. Though he can probably do a job on the right as well.

    There's also Rodrygo on the horizon.
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    Signings (Militao was bought in the winter so I'm not counting him):

    Jovic - 60 mil €
    Hazard - 100 mil € ??
    Mendy (Lyon) - 50 mil €
    I think that's it, maybe a midfielder but not Pogba (don't think Perez will approve 150 mil € transfer + wages, so let's say Ndombele or Eriksen - 70 mil €)
    SUM - up to 300 mil € max


    Sales with transfer fee's from the top of my head:

    Navas - 15 mil €
    Bale - 50 mil €
    James - 50 mil €
    Theo - 25 mil €
    Llorente - 50 mil € (word is Atleti are willing to pay big for him but the club doesn't want to sell to them)
    Kovacic - 30 mil €
    Isco - 60 mil €
    Reguilon - 20 mil €
    Ceballos - 40 mil €
    Asensio - 40 mil €
    Nacho -15 mil €
    Mariano - 20 mil €
    Mayoral - 10 mil €

    Obviously, not everyone I named here will be sold, specially not all midfielders if we're buying only one midfielder, but Navas, James, Bale, Theo and one of Isco or Llorente are leaving guaranteed and we're already at 200 mil € in sales.
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    carvajal Full Member

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    PSG want Keylor
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    #07 makes new threads with tweets in the OP

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    Madrid ain't messing around. All this before the window officially opens with rumours of interest in Erikssen or Pogba as well...
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    GatoLoco Full Member

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    Except for Hazard they are all unproven.
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    Nick7 Full Member

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    Yeah strikes me as one of those summers where everyone says it's amazing and it doesn't turn out that way.
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    nore1975 Full Member

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    Militao, Rodrigo and Jovic join officially in July.
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    carvajal Full Member

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    Now we have to see what to do with Reguilón, Llorente, Ceballos, Odegaard, Brahim, Lucas, Isco, Bale and Mariano (Rodrygo and Vini too?)

    Zidane had asked for more "muscle" in midfield, so I guess it will be the next goal.

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    RoyH1 Full Member

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    Makes sense. Modric and Kroos for all their incredible talent lack physique and pace. Casemiro cannot do all the running himself and Kovacic seems to have fallen out bad with the Madrid brass.
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    charlenefan Far less insightful than the other Charley

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    Agreed, based on the players they've signed and those who will remain seems to me Hazard will be swapping doing everything at Chelsea to having to do everything at Real Madrid and he won't get the free ride he gets from the Chelsea fans when he goes missing in countless games
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    Acheron Full Member

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    It's not expected all the new players will perform wonderful from day one but more about the team needed to be refreshed from a pair of seasons ago. The core of the squad has remained unchanged for a lot of time and I'm of the idea that even when having a successful team players still need to be challenged constantly to keep performing at optimal level, in this case it would be in the form of new players trying to get a starting spot in the squad. Also having someone like Hazard joining the team is something that can inspire the whole squad, although ideally he should have arrived when Ronaldo left.
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    Mark1361 New Member

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    Madrid always bounce back and always sing the best players in the world. In fact if it was not for Oil money no one could even come close to them in transfer records. they just spent 150M plus Hazard.

    When could you ever see us spend that much on a single player.

    by the time we spend that much on a player they be spending 300m.
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    El Jefe Full Member

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    That's never been a problem for Madrid. After the Galacticos were well and truly done, the likes of Ramos, Higuian and Marcelo were bought who were all unproven and Pepe shortly after. With the exception of Higuian (even though he was class) the rest ended up being world class players and stayed for a minimum of 10 seasons.
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    giorno Full Member

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    Yep. As Mijatovic put it, we're signing bench players

    Hazard the only starter so far. That is worrying...
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    Infordin Full Member

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    Jovic will bench Benzema.

    I also think you'll sign one of Pogba/Eriksen.