Rebuiliding champions league Finalists Spurs (chap 1 complete) —> Chap. 2

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    Amadaeus Pochettino's mother

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    With Pep and Klopp staying at Liverpool and City few more years, it seems like Pochettino might be the only manager at the moment capable of taking these two head on with proper backing. After taking Spurs to the finals with no backing, Pochettino has seem to have issue an ultimatum to Levy. You can’t expect similar success if we continue what was done the last five years. As a result, Spurs are looking to rebuild. How would you conduct the rebuild?

    First of, Pochettino philosophy and game plan is brilliant. In my opinion tied with Pep as the best footballing philosophy in the league. I would not change that. Spurs needs more players that suits Pochettino philosophy, e.g., technical gifted, hardworking and intelligent footballers.

    Second, who to get rid of:

    Transfer out:

    Trippier
    Eriksen
    Alderweireld
    Wanyama
    Few other no names: N’kloulo, Janssen, etc.

    Third who to bring in. They need to make signings similar to Liverpool before they went and won the champions league and tallied 97 points in the league.


    Team 1:
    Lloris(Gazzinga)
    Butos(Aurier) - Verthogen(Sanchez) - Joachim Andersen(Foyth) - Rose(Davis)
    Sissoko(Wink) - N’Dombele(Dier)
    Ziyech(Clarke) - Lo Celso(Ali) - Son(Moura)
    Kane(Haller)


    Lloris(Gazzinga)
    Aarons(Aurier) - Verthogen(Sanchez) - Jonathan Tah(Foyth) - Rose(Davis)
    Sissoko(Wink) - N’Dombele(Dier)
    Lo Celso(Clarke) - Ali(Dani Ceballos) - Son(Moura)
    Kane(Haller)


    Fringe: Wanyama, Lamela, Skipp, Walker Peters

    With this team and Pochettino philosophy, we don’t have to worry about Liverpool + City dominance from the premier league.
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    Sounds like a team which could do Spurs proud and challenge for top 4 and runners up medals.
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    Understatement. :lol:
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    Amadaeus Pochettino's mother

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    I have to be realistic. I can’t put De Ligt, Pepe, Coutinho, Dembele, Varane and so on into this team. Regardless, with Pochettino philosophy, this team can win the title. Maybe replace Ziyech with Mahrez, find a better ball playing center back than Tah and make Sissoko a squad player. Spurs has a foundation similar to Liverpool last season, so with the right addition they could win the champions league and/or the title.
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    There are a few very key differences between where Liverpool was last year, and where Tottenham is now. First, Liverpool didn't have any impending departures. there will always be a risk that a star player might want to leave, but basically every key player for Liverpool was in their mid-twenties with several years left on contracts that paid them competitive wages.

    Tottenham lost Dembele already, Toby and Eriksen both have a very clear desire to leave, and Lloris and Vertonghen are both getting up there in years. That's 5 players that have been key to their recent success who will need to be replaced over the next 1-2 years if they aren't replaced this summer.

    Another difference, which I briefly touched on already, is a displayed willingness to spend. Eriksen and Alderweireld's desire to leave stems from a combination of Spurs not showing a willingness to pay them what they want, and/or to not pay to strengthen the squad.

    Liverpool's players were almost all satisfied with their contracts, and the club had already spent big money on VVD and Keita, and made other significant recent purchases like Salah and AOC.

    Tottenham might spend a lot this summer, but there is no reason to think they are going to spend like Liverpool did, given how little Spurs have spent recently, and how expensive the new stadium is. They simply have a lot of holes to fill, and little cash to fill them with.

    I like Pochettino a lot, but I think he's taken them about as far as he can given the rebuilding job he has to look forward to.
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    There are three flaws in your analysis:

    1) Toby and Eriksen only want to leave IF they can get a better offer from elsewhere, which is far from certain, especially in Eriksen's case. This is quite different from wanting to leave full stop.

    2) You say that Spurs "might spend a lot this summer", but then contradict yourself by saying Spurs have "little cash". However, we actually have lots of cash. This stems from world-record profits as announced in our most recent financial statement, booming income and the c. £100m earned from the CL this season just finished ... not to mention guaranteed CL income for the coming season. All this dwarfs the annual debt servicing requirements.

    3) You say that you think Poch has "taken them about as far as he can", but this has been said in previous summers and proved wrong.

    I predict that Spurs will spend a lot this summer, regardless of whether Toby or Eriksen are sold. If they are sold, then the proceeds will be added onto what IMO will be the existing substantial transfer budget.
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    You didn't say anything about how Spurs' squad is a bit older, so I take it that you agree with me that they will need to replace a few key players over the next couple years just to maintain their current level, which puts them behind Liverpool.

    Also, I would not say that Tottenham really improved this year. The 13 league losses was their most under Pochettino, and 71 points represent a 15 point drop from their high under him two years ago. They are very clearly trending downward in the league, which most people would place more value on when evaluating a team's quality than a 4-game champions league stretch that was filled with lucky breaks.

    Also, when players are looking around, it's very common for their focus and performance to drop. Many posters on the Spurs board think this is what has happened with Eriksen and Toby. Even if they do sign extensions (which seems unlikely), it is not necessarily a great situation for Spurs if they are still around.

    As far as money goes, it is clear that Tottenham are bringing it in, but it is not at all clear whether or not they have much to spend on strengthening the squad. We will know within 8 weeks or so, so there is no point in debating it right now.
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    Then you have spurs signing 7 players?! Regardless if that’s over 2 windows, I can tell you now that’s not happening. Especially with the ones you’ve listed.
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    Yes, but since then we've had to play most of our 'home' games away from our true home - which, unsurprisingly, has had a negative effect. We had a really good home record in our last season at WHL, so it's realistic to expect that our home form will improve a fair bit compared to last season now that we have our new stadium. Also, we had an unusually high injuries-burden last season. So all in all I wouldn't bet too much on Spurs not improving on 71 points next season.

    I agree that Toby and Eriksen have lost their focus somewhat, but IF Eriksen stays it's likely to result in new contract, which I'd expect to result in a better focus since his immediate future will become settled. Toby is in a somewhat different situation, since if he isn't sold but still won't sign a new contract then clearly he'll be leaving for free the following summer.

    Yes, we'll need to replace 2 or 3 older players in the next couple of years, but that's usually the case with most teams and isn't really a problem when spread over 4 or more transfer windows. We've made a start with releasing Llorente (age 34).
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    Spurs had their chance to win the league in 2016. It won't come around again - not in the next decade anyway.
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    They were abysmal in the league really. Saved only be the even more abysmal performances of United and Arsenal. They got away with it really. Their CL run masked that.

    That said they bought no one last season so to achieve what they did in light of that was impressive even though it relied on the terrible performances of others to pay off.
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    They have peaked in 16-19. Downhill from here, unless they invest heavily to become more popular/richer than Liverpool and Arsenal.
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    Apparantley Spurs are after:

    Ndombele
    Bruno Fernandes
    Lo Celso

    if they end up with 2 of them namely Ndombele and another then that's their midfield sorted, think they will try and go for all 3 should Eriksen leave.

    If Toby leaves this summer I can't see Spurs signing another CB, they have Sanchez who has deputised well and they paid £40m for and Foyth who Poch seems to like, plus Dier who's long term future is at CB.

    Sessegnon will get done as well, not sure how he fits in though but he's a good young player who can improve under Poch.

    Llorente and Vorm gone, I expect Trippier, Aurier, Lamela to leave as well to recoup some funds but that means they need a RB and Atal from Milan has been linked.
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    Sky1981 Fending off the urge

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    Manchester united fans making a thread on how to rebuilt hotspur and madrid is like a homeless person teaching bill gate how to make money
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    No chance Spurs are signing Ziyech, Dybala or Maddison.
    Spurs are at a massive crossroad's, they need to spend a serious amount to think about challenging next season, but they won't spend without selling a star player first, probably Eriksen.
    The while record revenue thing is heavily distorted by the fact that the sale of Walker was included in that figure and they had no player buys, more tickets due to being at Wembley.
    I'd expect their revenue stream to be very much the same as last annum which leaves them miles behind the revenue of United still.
    Massive summer for Spurs and massive season coming up for Poch, no trophy again could be the end of him at Spurs.
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    Calling it now and can be quoted if this deal happens.

    Van Dijk was the best addition last summer, N’Dombele might have a similar impact. He is exactly what Pochettino needs and will fill the void of that intelligent ball carrying midfielder that was lost with the departure of Moussa Dembele.

    However, I don’t know how a midfield of Lo Celso and N’Dombele will work. Lo Celso played a lot of games as a number 8, but whoscores has him more effective as a number 10. So a midfield of:

    Sissoko/Winks - N’Dombele
    Eriksen(Zyiech) - Lo Celso - Son

    Will be up there as one of the best in the league. I can’t see Spurs loosing out on top four if they acquire these two players. Manchester United or another top club have to break up this potential dominant midfield.




    I will be keeping a good eye on the rebuilding that is going on at Spurs. All the attention is on Real, United, Barcelona and so on, but Spurs are the ones to watch if Levy isn’t too stingy.
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    I will predict that this will be one of the signing of the summer. He fits perfectly into Pochettino plan. Everyone know that Spurs midfield was there weak point and he signed one of the most promising midfielder out there. It is like when Klopp identified their defense as their weak point and he signed Van Dijk to improve it.


    This is the first step of the rebuilding for Pochettino.
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    Step two is this young lad. Pochettino is keeping his traditions of developing young players. Not seen much of him, but looks like he would add depth to the Spurs side.
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    Did you get your season ticket to the first full season in a new stadium @Amadaeus ? Too bad about the cheese room.
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    I don’t support Spurs :lol:. I just appreciate the work Pochettino is doing to transform Spurs.
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    I’m just messing with you mate, I know. It is impressive, more so than Pep and Klopp imo (although I still rate them higher).

    It’s just painful seeing a fellow red being so giddy over the project of our immediate competition, while we’re... well, where we are.
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    Because fans of one of the most successful clubs of the modern era who watched a manager rebuild several great sides wouldn't have a clue about what it takes.

    If anything, United are the Bill Gates of your shitty analogy. A giant of their industry who in recent years have fallen behind somewhat as they struggle to match more modern and forward thinking competitors. Spurs are Nokia - they were relevant for a short period a few years ago but failed to capitalise when the big boys were off their game. Destined to fade back into the wilderness.
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    Didn't Poch recently come out and say that he's not responsible for identifying and signing players? Or something to that affect. Think I read it on here, iirc.
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    Looks strong.

    Big pressure on Eriksens replacement (whoever that may be).

    Also, I'm not sure if you want to try to challenge City and Liverpool, that Rose and Davies are good enough LB options. Maybe test Leicester's resolve with a bid for Chilwell?
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    One of the Spurs supporters on here. I believe @GlastonSpur, Said that statement was misrepresented. I believe Pochettino identify the players he wants and Levy approves it. Which shows that Pochettino has a lot of say, not so much the final word, I believe.

    I think Rose will be good enough for one more season, with Davis, and Verthogen as alternate. I believe Spurs should go and get a versatile right back like Hakimi, who is capable of playing both right back and left back. I don’t think they have the budget to go after Chillwell and improve other areas in the team.
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    Watched, the critical word is watched, as in it happened in the past.
    SAF built a few teams in a completely different era, he built a few teams while we were winning stuff, being a rich and dominant club, while he was a living legend.

    Times have changed, I don't think that us watching SAF building a few sides know what it would take to build another great side because what we watched in the past is a completely different thing to what we're watching now.

    There's the spending way and the improving players way, none of them are really what SAF did. Also, these days, option 1 is quite rare, other than Poch or let's say Klopp at Dortmund, I can't really remember who has done it at a high level.
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    GlastonSpur Also disliked on an Aston Villa forum

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    This prediction bites the dust. Next ...
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    Unless they have already sold Eriksen but you just don't know about it yet?
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    I'm waiting until the window closes but, depending on who else they bring in (if anymore), I reckon they could be right up there with City and Liverpool fighting for the title. Poch is up there with Klopp and Pep, imo, and if he gets the backing he's earnt, he could pip them.
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    :lol: let's just wait to see if Eriksen goes shall we... because forgive me but I thought the transfer window was still open??:rolleyes:
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    He's not really developing him much if he's going out on loan.
    Would love to see a list of players at spurs Poch has actually 'developed'?
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    charlenefan Far less insightful than the other Charley

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    Fecking hell this thread in pure cringe
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    duffer Sensible and not a complete jerk like most oppo's Scout

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    They'll win feck all, again.
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    GlastonSpur Also disliked on an Aston Villa forum

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    It makes no difference, because your prediction involved Spurs having to first sell a star player before spending.

    Too many folk on here have wrongly assumed that Spurs are financially strapped because we haven't spent much for many years due to the new stadium costs. They forget that our income is booming and will soon surpass that of Arsenal.
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    And how do we know that the deal hasn't been ratified just not signed sealed and delivered?
    Wouldn't be the first time that's happened...:rolleyes:
    Stop clutching at straws and be patient, it's like listening to a child.
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    GlastonSpur Also disliked on an Aston Villa forum

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    If Eriksen had already been sold, we'd all know about.
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    GlastonSpur Also disliked on an Aston Villa forum

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    You are the one clutching at straws - i.e. the notion that Eriksen has already been sold. How long will you cling to this raft? 24 hours? 48 hours? Do tell.

    You should just bite the bullet and admit that your prediction was wrong.
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    Not actually sold but it could very well be that they have accepted that Eriksen is leaving and are already spending the money.
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