Reminder: Jose managed to turn Chelsea fans against Hazard

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    .Rossi ever get that feeling of déjà vu?

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    No no, hang on a second here.

    Explain to me why you're accusing me of racism and calling me a racist?
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    Sylar Full Member

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    I soured on Jose not only after the Sevilla loss, but his press conference.
    However I still wanted him to do well (and him not getting backed properly annoyed me). Some of the stuff he does annoys as well.

    But wrt Pogba, he was rightfully dropped yesterday (along with Lukaku). When he came on, he hardly moved. It would be excused if he was at least doing a better Yaya Toure impression with his output.
    The biggest thing holding back Pogba... is Pogba.

    He cant say hes doing all he can and its a system or others holding him back from more.
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    Rado_N Yaaas Broncos!

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    Why does attending games suddenly make your opinion more worthwhile or well informed?

    I've been to shitloads of games at Old Trafford and the vast majority of the time all the people within earshot of me are complete feckwits.

    The idea that match goers views should be held in higher regard than other fans is a bit weird.
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    Mainoldo Full Member

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    It’s always the same stuff with Pogba though isn’t it. It’s always the dancing, the hair cuts the laziness the arrogance. But yet when you analyse it there’s is no evidence of it. So what does it bowl down to? Why pretend if he was a white guy he wouldn’t get a much stick.

    The day people give me a reasonable arguement for Pogba the day I’ll believe it’s anything other then a cultural biased.

    Take it how you want it I really don’t care.
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    SirAF Ageist

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    I’m not saying I agree or disagree, but I guess the school of thought is that match goers make a tangible contribution (singing, cheering, telling oppos to feck off etc).
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    .Rossi ever get that feeling of déjà vu?

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    Sorry but, someone above just accused me of being a racist.

    How about you do what you're supposed to do on this place?
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    Pogue Mahone Poster of the year 2008

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    Put a sock in it, you obnoxious prats. The matchgoing fans you’re sniping at do a hell of a lot more for the club than either of you. Including during the Fergie years, when you enjoyed the sort of success you may never see again.

    There’s always been different opinions amongst fans about the manager. And this isn’t a new phenomenon. During Fergie’s reign there was almost always a vocal cohort who thought we could do better with a new manager in charge and I’m willing to bet there’s a big overlap between that cohort of tossers and the people who are getting on their high horse about the “sheep” staying loyal to the current manager.
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    Mainoldo Full Member

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    Don’t call me master then. I don’t know you like that. I made my point on your half arsed views. So explain why he is a lazy fu*kwit?
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    .Rossi ever get that feeling of déjà vu?

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    That's not an explanation.

    I want to know why you're calling me a racist
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    Rado_N Yaaas Broncos!

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    Yea I get that, but that doesn't make them more knowledgeable.

    I guess I'll accept your apology given I quit being a mod longer ago than I can remember.

    Any response to my question?
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    Mainoldo Full Member

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    Did I call you a racist? Explain to me where I said this?
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    Pogue Mahone Poster of the year 2008

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    Matchgoing fans are as full of diverse and ill-informed opinions as the rest of us. But they do, at least, actively support the club every weekend. So they definitely deserve a bit more respect than keyboard warriors calling them sheep for showing some loyalty to the manager of the club they turn up to watch every week.
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    You're losing it pal.
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    Santoryo ripping the reward

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    I see you've given me a warning for the post you've quoted. I know about forums rules which doesn't allow attacking posters themselves personally but rather addressing the posts which I try to comply with as much as possible.

    Now back to my post itself, it addresses issues with fans and match going fans in general. I admit the tone taken in the post you've quoted is a bit harsh but going by forums rules I don't think I've necessarily broken any rule and the post itself is similar in nature to the many harsh posts on these boards regarding players, boards or manager. It juts happened my posts adressed the fans in general, but I didn't have a go at posters personally but rather just a general comment on match going fans.

    But if it's seen as an issue on these boards and doesn't conform to forum rules then it's been noted. I will now keep that in mind going forward.
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    Djemba-Djemba Full Member

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    I watched him on Saturday against Southampton clearly not giving a shit. He was fecking awful and it's not the first time he's put in a display like that. This season he's been a mix of good displays one week followed by appalling displays the next. His inconsistency is infuriating.

    The fact you immediately jump to accusations of racism means it's not worth debating anything with you though.
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    Rado_N Yaaas Broncos!

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    I mean, maybe, I dunno. The average crowd at Old Trafford isn't what it once was.

    I don't really have a firm opinion on this by the way, it's just something that struck me as I read that particular post.

    Match going fans have always been held in high regard and I get why, but does the rationale really hold up with the current reality?
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    Mainoldo Full Member

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    Why am I losing it? Because people think Pogba owes them something? He gets hung to dry by his manager but he’s suppose to be happy and perform to his best every week.. where exactly does that happen? People think he’s our puppet.
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    .Rossi ever get that feeling of déjà vu?

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    Fair enough so

    I'm not a regular match goer. A few weeks ago and this weekend(If I do go) will be first few occasions I've gone in a few seasons.

    However, I find it absolutely embarrassing that people on forums such as this, can be critical and downright insulting to people who spend their hard earned money and give up all their time to follow the club around, all over the country and Europe, to show support to those players and the club.

    Their opinions aren't anymore valid or right but, the idea that the match going supporters have been brainwashed by Jose Mourinho is downright ridiculous and I'll call it out, just like I would anyone spouting such shite on any topic, as I'd expect people to call me out
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    the chameleon Full Member

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    I feel some of them do this to not offend some other fan. I was having discussion at the pub on Sunday with three fans who were doing the same thing - blaming everything other than Moronho. One of them got upset and started calling me a bad fan when I criticised Maureen. But he sitting there criticising the players.

    These types of fans are a big problem, they give the impression that we’re all happy with what’s going on.

    They’d be singing mourinho’s name if we got relegated!
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    .Rossi ever get that feeling of déjà vu?

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    You said I think Pogba should be calling me master. That implies racism and that I am indeed racist.
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    Rado_N Yaaas Broncos!

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    Fair enough. As I just said to Pogue I'm more typing as I'm wondering than anything and taking exception to the sheep comment is perfectly reasonable.

    I don't really know where I'm going with this anymore.

    Best get some work done.
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    Hes been our best player this season
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    Pogue Mahone Poster of the year 2008

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    I’m sure OT is crammed with numpties every weekend. Take a sample of 70000 humans and you’re bound to get a lot of numpties in that mix. They’re not a unique selection of upstanding citizens. It irritates me the way people who don’t go to games criticise the behaviour of people who do, though. Especially if that behaviour is essentially about getting behind the manager and the team.
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    .Rossi ever get that feeling of déjà vu?

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    It does have a good melody to it tbf
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    Mainoldo Full Member

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    I jump on accusations because it’s never his performances it’s his hair cuts and dancing.. I haven’t seen a dance video in donkeys years and Arsenal fans have yet to mention Abumayang’s haircuts so why is it such a big thing with Pogba. Matic strolls around the pitch too but we are not jumping around calling him lazy. I just think it’s pathetic. However talk about it and you’ll get attacked, I’m just pointing out what it is. But I’ll repeat where have a called anyone racist?!
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    mancan92 Full Member

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    Honestly what are you on about until the southampton game he had been clearly our best player this season. You guys really are knee jerk
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    .Rossi ever get that feeling of déjà vu?

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    If I go on Saturday, it doesn't make my opinion anymore right than someone who watches it on TV (If it is on TV)
    Like you said, I just take exception to those kind of comments and I'm nowhere near what you'd call a regular match goer
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    Pogue Mahone Poster of the year 2008

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    No he hasn’t. Every player has had ups and downs. Chris Smalling has probably been the best/most consistent. Pogba’s had a few very good games and a few dreadful games. Something you could say about almost half our squad.
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    Santoryo ripping the reward

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    I also wish something like this was possible.

    A reality or parralel world were Mourinho devotees have their perfect scenario with players like Pogba out of the club while Mourinho still holding the reigns at OT and serving them his diabolical football and a reality where we have Mourinho out of the club and looking forward to a fun future.
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    Snowle Gunnar Solskjær Enjoys hatching eggs for people Staff

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    The warning was purely for using “retarded” and not for the other bits of the post. Sorry I should probably have edited the auto PM to let you know!
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    .Rossi ever get that feeling of déjà vu?

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    Martial actually imo

    Pogba, a few good moments here and there is not enough! Fine, the tactics, the players etc are shite but, people on here say he's World Class. World Class players do not need the kind of excuses he's getting
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    Djemba-Djemba Full Member

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    Matic has been getting dogs abuse this season, he's easily been our worst player this year. Mourinho has let him stroll around because he's one of his favourites which by the way is one of the reasons i want Mourinho sacked.

    I haven't mentioned anything about dancing or haircuts, just that Pogba was a disgrace against Southampton. Which he was.

    You said @.Rossi wants Pogba to call him master, you were clearly accusing him of being racist and now you're backtracking because you realise how stupid that was to suggest.
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    Pogue Mahone Poster of the year 2008

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    Distance covered stats regularly have Matic covering more ground than everyone else. Which would explain why he isn’t called lazy. I don’t think this has ever applied to Pogba.
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    Mainoldo Full Member

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    Well you seem to think he should play to his best ability when he’s clearly a pawn for the managers excuses. There’s no explanation from you for that except for him being lazy.. where exactly has he been lazy? He didn’t look lazy winning a World Cup. Where is this bad attitude, I’m assuming that’s what you meant when you called him a twit. Where’s the evidence of that? I wonder if he clocks up the least kilometres out of all our CM.
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    .Rossi ever get that feeling of déjà vu?

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    Yep, thank you @Djemba-Djemba

    Have to say I am repulsed and disgusted by such wild, inaccurate accusations.

    Will be thinking carefully about what to do about this
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    People being accused of being racist if they dare to be negative about Pogba is absolutely mad. What the hell is happening to this place?
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    .Rossi ever get that feeling of déjà vu?

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    I would have responded to your questions if you hadn't have implied that I am racist.

    I am disgusted and will not be responding to you on this
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    Mainoldo Full Member

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    Was I responding to you about the dancing and haircuts?

    Yes I did say that, when is that being identified as racism please? I haven’t back tracked either! People should think before calling other posters master. Then they might not get uncomfortably responses back.
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    Damien Self-Aware RedCafe Database (and Admin) Staff

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    Yeah, there were a bunch of people all too happy to trade Martial for Willian.


    Chelsea fans on Willian:








    If the swap had happened, we'd be closer to 15th with a front three of Sanchez Lukaku Willian and Chelsea would be closer to the top with another clinical finisher in attack.

    Chelsea fans have been wanting Willian sold for two or more years now.
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    You called Rossi a racist. Don't try to wiggle your way around it.