Ricky Sbragia: Big strong lads over some luxury player who plays for Real Madrid.

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    NinjaZombie Full Member

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    Keeps It tidy Hates Messi

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    Just because he is on Real Madrid's youth team does not mean he is actually good.
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    Sid234 Full Member

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    Sbragia is daft cause he's about 6ft tall but he left him out because he isn't tall enough?! Even if he was a luxury player, having him as an option on the bench should be great!
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    NinjaZombie Full Member

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    If every youth coach has that mindset, we wouldn't be seeing players like Iniesta and Messi.
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    Real signed him to a 5 year deal in 2012, he's highly rated in their academy and playing for them in the U19 CL
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    Keeps It tidy Hates Messi

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    Isn't that expected for a 19 year old.
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    cyberman Full Member

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    Plus when the news broke, the Spanish FA immediately made contact with him to ask if he would consider playing for Spain
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    Ole's_toe_poke Ole_Aged_Slow_Poke

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    Didn't he coach our reserves at one point.
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    And yet some still think that quotas are the solution to the lack of talent in British football.
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    Robbie Boy Full Member

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    Read about this earlier. Hardly thread worthy. It's some young Scottish / Spanish lad that no one has heard of that is garnering attention because eh he is playing for Mardid.
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    Sid234 Full Member

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    I don't think every 19 year old plays for Real Madrid either
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    Ole's_toe_poke Ole_Aged_Slow_Poke

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    I also find it annoying that the players father has gone to the media to moan about his lad not being picked. As if playing for Real Madrid gives him some sort of right to be selected.
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    Complete stone age mentality. Almost reads like a parody.
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    limerickcitykid There once was a kid from Toronto...

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    It'd be good craic if he went and played for Spain now.
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    It doesn't, but not being picked cause he's not big and strong isn't fair either. Plus I believe Ricky Srbagia was the one who made the statement that the kid was a luxury player, someone they couldn't afford to have on the pitch. I think his father's just responding to what the coach said
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    OnlyTwoDaSilvas Gullible

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    If Shaun Maloney and James McFadden can get games for Scotland, then Harper should have a shot too. Those two were nothing but luxury players
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    Keeps It tidy Hates Messi

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    Yeah coach does not come off well with the quote but, the Dad does not come off well here either.
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    Roman Bellic Prick

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    Is young Jack Harper realistically going to get games for the Spanish national team in the future though?
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    Mciahel Goodman Worst Werewolf Player of All Times

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    If the Scottish u19 coach wants physicality over technicality for this game, then he's 100% correct in his decision to exclude a technical player. It might not be the form of football that we want to see, but it's about winning, I suppose.

    Although, there is the argument that the British "win at all costs" mentality has seen the exclusion of technically gifted players in favour of the stronger, more physical players who can win games at a certain level, but after that, aren't anywhere near as good as the technically minded players.

    The father going to the media is a bit of a joke, but I suppose that's modern football. You have to hype yourself in order to get noticed, and his father probably acts as his agent (most players' fathers do to a certain degree, even if they have an official agent).

    Also, the coach's concern seems to be application, not physicality. He wants team players who will run a lot. There's nothing wrong with that.
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    Has anyone actually watched Scotland under-19s play recently? It's perfectly possible the lad just played shit for them and maybe did not have the best attitude or motivation. Just because he plays for Madrid's youth side does not mean he instantly deserves to be in the Scotland youth squad.
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    Keeps It tidy Hates Messi

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    By his quotes it seems that the coach was unimpressed by him when he was actually in the team.
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    I don't really get the uproar at him not being played solely because he's a Real Madrid youth product. Playing for a major club such as them doesn't automatically mean he's good enough, after all.

    Nevertheless, the comments about preferring physicality over technique are disappointing. While Sbragia may feel it increases the sides chance of winning, I'd say victories at a lower level aren't quite as important as developing players and bedding them in together at international level. Of course, winning is still important, but it's a level at which we should be trying to develop players with impressive technique, certainly.

    Obviously I don't know how good Harper is though, so it's a difficult one to judge, but it does sound a bit like he's being excluded for being more technical than physical. Which is a bit silly.
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    Sly Hang Ten

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    Oh yes and that british mentality of "win at all costs" and the exclusion of technically gifted players in favour of the stronger, more physical players has really given great results :smirk:
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    Mciahel Goodman Worst Werewolf Player of All Times

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    You did read the rest of my sentence, right? It provides results to a certain degree at a certain level. After that, it's redundant.
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    hang on, a player at Real Madrid, that's REAL MADRID, is left out of the Scotland U19s?!

    Don't they normally fill their squad with league 2 squad players?!

    We at Wycombe had a player with a sh!tload of Ireland U21 caps, yet he was abysmal, and ended up non league super quick.
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    I have no problem with winning football, but at youth levels the focus should be on development rather than results.
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    What results are you talking about? Because at youth level and national team level besides england, i see no real results for the rest of the british contingent. I can´t recall seeing Scotland qualifying to anything or having noteworthy results at youth rank levels.
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    Is he the same guy who managed Sunderland when we beat them 1-0 at OT in 08-09 season? Dire match to watch due to their dinosaur tactics.
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    The kid plays in youth honour division (like 4 levels below first team) while being already 19. Maybe he is good but it doesn't look like he is any top team material so far.
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    Exactly. They get no results but they insist on the same recipe. My point wasn´t really about the scottish Real Madrid player, i don´t even know him and perhaps he´s not good enough. My point is these scottish coaches insisting on the same strategy that has given them nothing in the recent past. Everytime i watch a scottish national team play is always the same dire, physical, hoof the ball approach. There´s no evolution. But apparently it gives them results (whatever they might be)
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    I was sure Ricky Sbragia stopped existing after he left Sunderland.
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    This.

    It's the coach's choice if a player is good enough or not but to say I'm not picking him because he isn't tall and hasn't bulked up enough for a 19-year old is silly if you ask me.. The criteria to being a good striker shouldn't be height and muscles alone, at least that shouldn't be what the manager of a national youth team should be promoting and going about proclaiming to the world either.
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    Keeps It tidy Hates Messi

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    Isn't Jack Harper 6'1? I dobut lack of height was the issue here.
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    Well the scottish u21 coach thankfully is no Sbragia because he constantly calls up Ryan Gauld who is an astonishing 5 ft 6 in tall. And he can hold his own technically/football wise against the best african, brazilian and portuguese talents we have at Sporting. Strangely he is getting results although he is a "midget" according to Sbragia´s football concept.
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    Mciahel Goodman Worst Werewolf Player of All Times

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    Well, it's mainly England I'm speaking of when I use the term British, because it represents the majority of Britain. But yeah, at youth level (from u8s to u16s, and so on) this type of attitude is prevalent. The mangers/coaches want to win, so they go for physicality over technicality, which provides short term success to the detriment of long-term technical development.
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    This part makes no sense to me.
    "He's an exceptionally gifted lad but we can't carry him. He can be a luxury sometimes. In some cases, if it's going well, he can be a good luxury."
    Why not use him from the bench then ?
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    DWelbz19 Correctly predicted Portugal to win Euro 2016

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    Crazy.
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    Alright. I thought you were talking about Scotland. My point about the outdated methods on british youth ranks still stands though.
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    Keeps It tidy Hates Messi

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    I think he is trying to say that he does not work hard for the team in a nice way.
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    Thank god he's not a coach here anymore if he genuinely believes that.