Right Winger... Who do we go for?

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    fcbforever Banned

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    He will just never have the speed of Sane. He's much more of a left playmaker than a winger. When it comes to PSG selling him, he is used as a CM these days and this surely isn't his favourite position. He will be up for grabs for anyone interested.
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    Check out, Leon Bailey. He's an excitement machine with dribbling at pace, creativity and close quarter ball control. Can also play on the left as well as the right.
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    Technically maybe, but Sane is quite a bit quicker. Draxler is versatile, but I wouldn't have thought right wing is his best position.
    That's a fair shout. I've not followed him since he moved from Genk tbh.
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    Since he's left footed, he would be pretty terrible on the right wing. As I said, left playmaker is his best position. Not something United needs.
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    Why do you think the more direct attacking threat should come from the full backs and not the wingers themselves?

    Everyone is following this fashionable trend of having attacking full backs and what are essentially No.10s shunted out wide as false wingers.

    It feels very un-United to simply follow the trend.
    Why should we do what everyone else does? It would surely make it easier for others to defend against us if we do what all of the other big sides do: bombing full backs and pseudo wingers.

    Maybe we should buck the trend and go for something that would be a bit different: 'traditional' wingers that stay high and wide, like a fat teenage goth stoner.

    Thoughts?
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    Sadly, we tried it for many time on wing, many of these players we signed ended up flopping like Di María, Januazaj, Depay, Zaha. Luckily to have Rashford and Martial that played out of their position on left

    However, let's get to the part about the rise. I think United will be a lot stronger than City next season if we get new 4 players to upgrade right back, left back, AM and RW and probably will have B teams that are a lot stronger than City's B team


    A-Team

    De Gea
    NEW RB Bailly Rojo NEW LB
    Matic Pogba
    NEW RW NEW AM Rashford/Martial
    Lukaku

    B-team

    Romero
    Valencia Lindelof Jones Young
    Herrea Pereira
    Mhki Mata Lingard
    Martial/Rashford
    It would be perfect for us to have a luxury of resting A teams for next important games
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    Devil may care Full Member Verified Moaner

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    You just have less threat that way and play more basic, one dimensional football that's easier to defend. If you have two floating attackers, a #10, a #9 and 2 marauding fullbacks, you get the best of all worlds and it's harder for the opposition to know if you are going to hit them wide or if they are dummy runs and your inside forwards will captialize on the space, keeps them guessing and produces more attractive football.
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    TheOrgazoid Banned

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    Hmm.

    There is a lot of truth to what you say.

    However, a pair of lightning fast wingers on both flanks will be easier to defend against in theory but will probably each require the opponent to double up on them, causing more space to open up through the center for a No.10, CF and CM to make the most of.

    I think my suggestion would yield more direct football, yours a lot more varied and cultured (I sound like a such a thick feck).
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    Who Draxler? I thought he was right footed, although his left foot is very good as well. There have been very decent left footed right wingers, which you would know about given that you're a Bayern fan.
    Bailey and Malcom have similarities to Robben, in that they prefer to cut inside from the right and are predominantly one footed.
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    Agreed. These people clearly have an agenda against Glazers. Glazers family only received 12 million a year - 230K a week. Honestly, I'd rather have Glazers than Arsenal and Liverpool's owner. We are 2nd highest net spending in the world since Sir Alex retired and highest 2nd/3rd wage bill after Barcelona and Real Madrid. We could spend 40m extra on perisic if he agreed to sign for us meaning that would surpass PSG's net spending this summer and always ready for Griezmann's move, we were close to broke the transfer window record, only if we had signed Grezimann. we didn't sign Perisic and Grezimann yet meaning we'll have 130m left we could spend again next summer on top of an annual budget.


    I can see us selling Fellaini for 10m, Darmin for 20m, Blind for 20m, Shaw for 25m - total £75m

    Assuming that we get 150m budget to spend a year

    130+75+150m = 355m

    Following the speculation, we are linked with the like of Dybala, Ozil, Grezimann, Danny Rose, Pulisic, Meunier, Bale and Soler

    Dybala - 155m

    Pulisic - 100M

    Griezmann/Bale - 90m each

    Danny Rose - 50m

    Meunier/Soler - 40m each

    Ozil - free

    Since UEFA and FA only allowed 25 man max squads, no more than 25.

    All name I mentioned would be sold so that would mean there'd be 4 players available to register. I can't see Carrick and Zlatan staying for another season so it'd be 6 total

    Replace Darmin with Meunier, Meunier will be first starters to upgrade to that position - RB

    Replace Shaw with Danny Rose, Rose will be first starters to upgrade to that position - LB

    Replace Fellaini with Solers and will be used as bench and a replacement for Pogba

    Griezmann/Dybala/Ozil to replace Zlatan

    Bale/Pulisic to be upgraded on RW



    Pulisic/Bale 90-100m, Griezmann/Dybala 90m-155m, Danny Rose 50m, Meunier 40m, Solar 40m = 310m - 385m or Grezimann only = 320m

    I'm going to use Jose's top 5 formations used with all the potential player I mentioned and how it fit the system

    4-2-3-1 3-4-3 without Dybala 3-5-2 without Bale and Dybala 4-3-3 without Dybala

    De Gea De Gea De Gea De Gea
    Meunier Bailly Rojo Rose Bailly Jones Rojo Bailly Jones Rojo Meunier Bailly Rojo Rose
    Matic Pogba Meunier Matic Pogba Rose Meunier Pulisic Matic Pogba Rose Solers Matic Pogba
    Pulisic/Bale Dybala/Griezmann Rashford/Martial Pulisic/Bale Lukaku Griezmann Lukaku Griezmann Pulisic/Bale Lukaku Griezmann
    Lukaku




    4-1-4-1

    De Gea
    Meunier Bailly Rojo Rose
    Matic
    Pulisic/Bale Dybala/Grezimann Pogba Martial/Rashford
    Lukaku

    XI teams total cost: -335-345m with Dybala
    XI teams total cost: 275-285m with Griezmann

    All the cost only count for new players

    Griezmann would be a better option than Dybala cos of the cheaper price and can fit in many formations. About Pulisic and Bale, I don't know which is better. I'd prefer Pulisic cos he's young and United fans but Bale is world class wingers, it's really difficult to pick up one of them.






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    Devil may care Full Member Verified Moaner

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    It definitely produces a different type of football but the pace of fullbacks these days means there'd be less need to double up IMO, and on top of that it puts a lot of weight for the goals on the #9 and #10, where as with them plus 2 inside forwards you can carry 4 goal threats and still have your direct width from your fullbacks.
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    TheOrgazoid Banned

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    Agreed.
    I miss a good winger, though.

    I'm just a stupid old man. :(
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    90th minute winner from Oyarzabal in the Europa league tie. Just saying... @Invictus gets it.
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    Devil may care Full Member Verified Moaner

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    Well if we got someone like Pulisic we'd get the best of both worlds, he can play inside but also more orthodox if instructed. :D
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    Robben does it with pace, Draxler can’t cut inside because he lacks this pace. The whole idea of Draxler being a winger just originated from the fact he was shoehorned into this position for Germany, it will never really suit him well.
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    I agree on Draxler and said the same thing myself. I was referring to Bailey and Malcom when comparing to Robben.
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    Yep, he's looking increasingly likely to surpass Griezmann's 2013/14 tally at this rate - needs 12 more goals to draw level:



    Do think Oyarzabal needs to focus more of his playmaking and all-round game, though - that used to be his forte coming through the ranks. He might be falling into the familiar trap of becoming a less effective and precise overall footballer with an increase in production as regards the goals. Needs to find the right balance, but there's plenty of time given his age.
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    Did you see the goal last night? I happen to think the guy he laid on should have scored, were it not for a very good save by the keeper.
    I agree he is starting to become just a "forward" now. With no real idea of what side or where he should be playing. I guess that doesn't matter for Sociedad if he's scoring, as they will just tweak the team around him, but if he wants to move on it may cause a bit of trouble for teams trying to fit him in their system.
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    sounds good to me
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    Aye, that initial save off Baustista's shot by Rosenborg's goalkeeper was quite good, and Oyarzabal was fairly lucky in that Meling slipped right in front of him. And yes, him losing that sense of orthodoxy as a wide playmaker muddies the picture a bit as regards a move to a bigger club. He's clearly emerging as Sociedad's star in attack in terms of goalscoring - much like Griezmann in the past - that could lead to a rapid de-escalation of tactical and positional responsibilities. Which is fine at Sociedad, but he hasn't reached and might not reach the level needed to have that kind of free role at a club of United's stature. To justify that laissez-faire approach, he'll have to transcend to a surefire world class level in terms of consistency of production - and he's far removed from that bracket. Hope he keeps working on the basics of his game instead of reducing himself to numbers in terms of production because he has the skillset to develop into a proper all-round wide playmaker in the mold of Ribéry or Reus - I'd much rather that type of player that can make a difference in just about any tactical setup than a flank hugging winger or even someone who scores ~30 goals but isn't a big factor in the game overall. Especially with Lukaku as our striker because he's relies on steady service.
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    Yeah, I think he could be a really top player in that wide playmaker role. I hope that's where he ends up and not just a quasi-10, because of his productivity as you say.

    Time will tell and whether he'll develop at Sociedad or move on for that development, will have a big impact on where he ends up.
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    I know who we shouldn't go for - Carlos Soler. The following is an extract from one of today's excellent Sky Sports News articles:

    "... Interestingly, Pereira has at times been keeping reported Manchester United target Carlos Soler out of the starting line-up. While Soler is technically excellent on the ball, earning comparisons to former Valencia midfielders David Silva and Juan Mata, Pereira is more of a natural winger, happy to take off down the sideline himself rather than wait for an overlapping run from a full-back..."

    Firstly, we don't want another Mata when the original one is clearly not good enough to be a winger at United.

    Secondly, I think that we should finally end this weird love affair with slow, technical No.10s shunted out wide that are simply incapable of beating a full back one-on-one (Mata, Mhki) and have to - out of necessity rather than choice - wait for their own full back to do most of the work.

    If Pereira is already effective as a more natural fit out wide then we probably only need to sign one rather than two wingers.
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    We need a specialist right sided forward not false wingers or attacking midfielders.

    Players like Oyarzabal, Soler, Suso, Fekir etc. are NOT specialists and most likely would be plying their trade in other/more central positions in a couple of years

    We need Robben-in-his-prime sort of player that turns and runs at defenders every chance he gets.

    The most obvious choice is Malcom. Apparently, we were interested in him before he joined bordeux and since then hes consistently improved every season. At the moment he's one of the (statistically) highest performing attacking players in europe. But he too is still a raw talent and not ready to go straight into our XI.

    Is it just me or is there really a dearth of world class RW/RF players out there?
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    There are not many players similar to Hazard out there. A player that combines pure pace and dribbling with creativity and genuine close control is quite difficult to find. But from the options mentioned here, Pulisic IMO, is the most similar.
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    @Micky Targaryen. Draxler is a bit similar too, not as quick or as good a dribbler, but they have the same skillset. Although he nominally plays through the middle or cutting in from the left, so I don't know if he'd fit in on the right.
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    If Martial comfortably sloted in when he signed, then I think Malcom will too.

    Yea there really is. The few available out there are either young or not good enough. Maybe it's because we're yet to be genuinely linked to someone.
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    That's very inaccurate from whoever wrote the report, Pereira is the back-up to Soler and Guedes, he only played ahead of them the other night as Marcelino was resting all of his main players for the Barca game. Soler also is much faster than Mata and delivers a fantastic cross, he's also capable of drifting in and helping the attack centrally with clever passing, he's a mixture of Silva and Beckham in terms of play style.
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    Leon Bailey is a right winger that has everything that we are looking for with pace and dribbling and close quarter ball control. He has an ability to cover left-wing if necessary and probably wouldn't cost the earth. Lastly, he's actually a specialist winger, not a midfielder or striker being shunted out to the wing. Catch some of his highlights on Youtube I think you would be suitably impressed.
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    I have seen Bailey play but he's only started getting game time as a starter recently. So he needs more time to prove himself. Malcolm on the other hand has done that for over a season as a starter (albeit in a weaker team with less competition for places)

    Bailey is keeping some good players out of the side and on occasion has looked even better than Brandt on the wing. IMO there's also been a dramatic improvement in his off the ball movement. Most of his goals have also come from inside the area which is what you want from your RF.

    Both are not 100% ready to move to a club like United but Malcolm IMO is more ready of the two. He also strikes me as a more intelligent/creative player. Of course these observations are based on watching few games so I could be wrong.
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    Bailey has had an impact since he's been featured. In Bayer's first five BL matches, Bailey played 95', no goals or assists, and the club's record was 1 win, 1 draw, and 3 losses. In Bayer's last seven matches, Bailey has 568', 4 goals and 2 assists, and the clubs record is 3 wins, 4 draws, and 0 losses.

    In the last seven matches, Bailey has played left wing(back?) 264' with 2 goals and 2 assists. In the last seven matches, Bailey has played right wing(back?) 315' with 2 goals and 0 assists. I've only been able to watch Bailey in one match vs Leipzig and his position was left wingback with Julian Brandt playing left wing for the most part.

    As left wingback vs Leipzig, Bailey was making tackles at one end line and delivering crosses into the 6 yard box at the other end line. He has an amazing engine to go with top tier physical abilities and technical skills. If he plays like he's played the last seven matches for the rest of the season, his transfer fee will be 60m pounds by July. And worth every pound IMO.
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    Well, I referenced the article to help make my point because if I came on here and started saying "I think Soler isn't the correct fit" then it might come across that I have an agenda or something, which isn't the case. I just don't think he is "United material".

    I made the point because I have seen a few Valencia matches this season (some of them not in their entirity, admittedly) and from what I have seen, Guedes would be a great fit for what this club is all about.
    Pereira too.

    Soler, not for me. Too technically focused - we already have those players. We even tried using Kagawa on the right, if memory serves.
    This thing of using slow No.10s on the wing has never worked for us and I don't see it working soon.

    The fact that one of our own players - Pereira - is part of a team in which another player - Soler - has been linked by some members here as an ideal signing even though (and this is obviously just my opinion) Pereira is actually, stylistically, more suited to us AND given that someone writing an article on SSN seemed to agree with what I had gathered from seeing some of Valencia myself, it was too good of an oppurtunity to miss.

    I Soler represents everything that I don't want in a new right winger for us.
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    Pereira's game is practically identical to Soler's though, just not as good technically and not as smart right now, Soler sees the pass in the final 3rd where as Pereira is a bit blunt at times. Pereira is also slower than Soler when it comes to actually going on the outisde, he's not a slow #10, he's quite fast and if asked to stay wide would deliver crosses and has more game intelligence than the likes of Zaha, Gelson Martins and Leon Bailey who are all flashy but make the wrong choice quite often in good positions.
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    I won't question whether we need a player that is fast & direct or one that is slower & more intelligent in this thread.
    But if you had to choose United to bring one player back from Valencia (let's pretent we didn't already own Pereira), which one from Guedes, Soler and Pereira would it be? And why. And in what position.

    :)
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    Soler, I haven't seen enough progression from Pereira and seeing them this season I think Soler has more to his game, I'd use Soler on the right the way we used Beckham or how Atleti have used Koke, and the fact he can also play in a midfield 2 would give us some much needed cover for Pogba as well. Guedes is talented but he thrives on the left where he can come inside and shoot on his stronger foot, he can barely use his left and isn't good on the RW as it takes away his best attributes.
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    If anything we set that trend then someone came in and took it up a notch. likes of Irwn and Nev would attack. Then we had guys like Rafa and Evra, Heinze who all attacked. Even Brown attacked

    As for the topic at hand, I would just use Rashford there but I am starting to like what I’ve seen of that Malcom fellow. However depending on what shape Jose settles on are we even going to need a RW
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    Leon Bailey is the one we should go for IMO but he has not been mentioned by the club.
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    Well that is obviously a precursor.

    What shape do you think he wants to settle on?
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    Personally if we do or don’t believe he wanted Griezman and Peresic plus with the amount of CB’s we have and lack of depth in midfield I think the 352 was what he was really aiming for as his main formation.

    He’s gone with different shapes through out the years but most recently it’s been 4231 and both those players would fit in that as well.

    I wouldn’t mind 352 but I’d hope it was played more like a 3142 but with the players we have in the squad currently it should be 433 in which case maybe another right option should be brought in. If I’m not mistaken Malcom is left footed playing on the right.

    Thinking about it there aren’t any truly great right footed wingers that are say more traditional in style of play now. Most of them are all inside forwards or playing on the opposite side. Probably a symptom of the offensive fullback evolution.
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    Bailey says he’s a Utd fan, so we would have no problem convincing him to join.
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    Where did he say lol