Ronaldo vs Ronaldo

Discussion in 'Football Forum' started by altodevil, Feb 11, 2019.

  1. Feb 11, 2019

    OutlawGER Full Member

    Joined:
    May 25, 2012
    Messages:
    3,168
    Location:
    Cologne
    Supports:
    Bayern München, 1. FC Köln
    Better career? CR7, better peak R9 by a country mile. R9 was also much more feared and much more popular. Everyone just loved him.
  2. Feb 11, 2019

    Bastian Full Member

    Joined:
    Jul 16, 2015
    Messages:
    5,958
    Cristiano has obviously had the better career but I can't think of any player who has been better at his peak than Ronaldo. He was completely unplayable. Probably only Messi and Maradona come close.
  3. Feb 11, 2019

    Hound Dog Full Member

    Joined:
    Mar 10, 2011
    Messages:
    1,858
    Location:
    Belgrade, Serbia
    Supports:
    Whoever I bet on
    Do you think Dwight Yorke was a better player than Shearer?
  4. Feb 11, 2019

    Schneckerl Full Member

    Joined:
    Jun 17, 2016
    Messages:
    1,880
    Good example why you shouldn't rate players only based on career achievments.
  5. Feb 11, 2019

    youngrell Full Member

    Joined:
    Dec 6, 2016
    Messages:
    718
    Location:
    South Wales
    What an embarrassing post.
  6. Feb 11, 2019

    Zehner Full Member

    Joined:
    Mar 29, 2018
    Messages:
    936
    Location:
    Germany
    Supports:
    Bayer 04 Leverkusen
    He really couldn't. Nobody can or could do what Ronaldo did when he was young. Unrivalled potential. The guy was the definition of a prodigy.

    I mean, he has a fair claim on being the best dribbler ever, the best technician ever, the fastest ever, the best finisher ever and on top of that he's comfortably worldclass in terms of strength, balance, long shots and passing. Really can't see anyone rivalling his skill set, not even Messi. You can maybe say the Argentinian had a slightly higher peak because he had more time to improve his decision making etc. but in terms of raw ability, Ronaldo truly was a phenomenon.
  7. Feb 11, 2019

    Peyroteo Professional Ronaldo PR Guy

    Joined:
    Jan 11, 2016
    Messages:
    7,514
    Location:
    Porto, Portugal
    Supports:
    Sporting CP
    Title should be romanticized Ronaldo vs non-romanticized Ronaldo for proper distinction. This thread would have made sense back in 2012.

    Their peaks happened in very different circumstances but it’s not clear cut by any of them at all, Cristiano in his best period (2013-14 before the knee injury) was better than R9 at his best imo.
  8. Feb 11, 2019

    shamans Hoser

    Joined:
    Oct 25, 2010
    Messages:
    11,538
    Location:
    Just want to see Scholes hit a volley.
    The face that you think he was a better dribbler than Messi is proof hes being romanticized. Im a Cr7 fan but Brazillian Ronaldo having better dribbling than Messi is ridiculous.
  9. Feb 11, 2019

    Thiagoal Full Member

    Joined:
    Jul 8, 2013
    Messages:
    299
    Better career is subjective...how much weight (excuse the pun) is put on R9's World Cup successes with Brazil compared to the numerous Champions Leagues and Euros CR7 won (injured in the final)...tight call imo!
  10. Feb 11, 2019

    Raoul Admin Staff

    Joined:
    Aug 14, 1999
    Messages:
    104,418
    Location:
    California
    :lol:
  11. Feb 11, 2019

    Peyroteo Professional Ronaldo PR Guy

    Joined:
    Jan 11, 2016
    Messages:
    7,514
    Location:
    Porto, Portugal
    Supports:
    Sporting CP
    That’s just not true at all though. You can’t limit the service Ronaldo gets because of the way he plays, I have never seen any other player make it so easy for his team to create chances for them. Just look at the way Juventus plays and how little service he gets.

    Good luck neutralizing any half decent team to stop getting to the line and putting a cross in or getting a few set pieces... how many teams have ever managed to consistently neutralize the service Cristiano gets? He always gets half a chance, if you lose your marker as often as he does throughout a match and have physical advantages over defenders then the ball will eventually find him in the right spot.

    Getting the ball and trying to solve everything on your own is not an effective way to play football and making the team better, no matter how good that player is. Teams will figure out how to defend it a lot easier and the rest of the team won’t play at their best.
  12. Feb 11, 2019

    Zehner Full Member

    Joined:
    Mar 29, 2018
    Messages:
    936
    Location:
    Germany
    Supports:
    Bayer 04 Leverkusen
    I think you've never really seen him play then. You can argue either way but it sure as hell isn't ridiculous, regardless of who you see slightly ahead.

    I haven't said that Ronaldo was better by the way. Can't bring myself to a decision.
  13. Feb 11, 2019

    djembatheking Full Member

    Joined:
    Feb 7, 2013
    Messages:
    1,286
    Everyone knows CR7 has the best stats but R9 was far more exciting to watch , the only player to come close was Ronaldinho . The 2 Brazilians were awesome .
  14. Feb 11, 2019

    Arbitrium Hosts above average award ceremonies

    Joined:
    Jan 15, 2016
    Messages:
    17,520
    @Zehner

    What do you mean by best technician?
  15. Feb 11, 2019

    Isotope Full Member

    Joined:
    Mar 6, 2012
    Messages:
    11,816
    Supports:
    Ole Ole Ole
    How is Fenomeno unstoppable, when he only had one season above 40 goals in his whole career? And I imagine CRonaldo has more assists, too
  16. Feb 11, 2019

    RooneyLegend Full Member

    Joined:
    May 3, 2013
    Messages:
    7,911
    Club football post Guardiola and pre Guardiola are completely different things from a statistical standpoint. Hence comparing numbers is completely foolish.
  17. Feb 11, 2019

    Edgar Allan Pillow Ero-Sennin

    Joined:
    Dec 7, 2010
    Messages:
    32,725
    Location:
    ┴┬┴┤( ͡° ͜ʖ├┬┴┬
    Ability - Fat Ronaldo
    Stats - CR
  18. Feb 11, 2019

    Arbitrium Hosts above average award ceremonies

    Joined:
    Jan 15, 2016
    Messages:
    17,520
    Who’s standing ovation was better, Ronaldo’s after his hat trick at OT or Cristianos after his overhead kick v his current employers.
  19. Feb 11, 2019

    shamans Hoser

    Joined:
    Oct 25, 2010
    Messages:
    11,538
    Location:
    Just want to see Scholes hit a volley.
    I've seen him play. A monster of a dribbler but Messi can take on teams with his dribbling like Brazilian Ronaldo never could have. To me personally it's a ridiculous opinion so we'd have to disagree but if anyone puts him above Messi in any category, that's wrong for me but to put him above Messi in dribbling ? I don't even understand how you can make an argument for that.
  20. Feb 11, 2019

    Cal? CR7 fan

    Joined:
    Mar 18, 2002
    Messages:
    32,083
    This
  21. Feb 11, 2019

    shamans Hoser

    Joined:
    Oct 25, 2010
    Messages:
    11,538
    Location:
    Just want to see Scholes hit a volley.
    Could Ronaldo score a free kick like CR7 did. Could Ronaldo even go for a Bicycle kick like CR7. Was Ronaldo a better header than CR7 at his peak? Did Ronalod have better long shots than CR7 at his peak? Did he even ever show the same level of consistency?
  22. Feb 11, 2019

    shamans Hoser

    Joined:
    Oct 25, 2010
    Messages:
    11,538
    Location:
    Just want to see Scholes hit a volley.
    Because he's a childhood icon for many here and the myth that he was some unplayable force with zero weaknesses just gets propelled more and more. There's no doubt he's one of the all time greats but this debate belongs in 2010 or 2011. Now it's disrespectful to Messi and Ronaldo to even mention him alongside them.
  23. Feb 11, 2019

    Cal? CR7 fan

    Joined:
    Mar 18, 2002
    Messages:
    32,083
    Next, Klose the best player ever due to being all time WC top scorer :lol:
  24. Feb 11, 2019

    Cal? CR7 fan

    Joined:
    Mar 18, 2002
    Messages:
    32,083
    Cristiano Ronaldo is better than Pele was
  25. Feb 11, 2019

    Peyroteo Professional Ronaldo PR Guy

    Joined:
    Jan 11, 2016
    Messages:
    7,514
    Location:
    Porto, Portugal
    Supports:
    Sporting CP
    People love to ignore Cristiano’s crossing and heading ability despite recognizing the importance of wing play in the teams he’s played for throughout his career.

    For a big percentage of football fans ‘footballing ability’ means 10% of all abilities relevant to football.
  26. Feb 11, 2019

    SirAF Ageist

    Joined:
    Sep 28, 2003
    Messages:
    27,416
    Welcome :drool:
  27. Feb 11, 2019

    Pocho Gayer than Marcosdeto (according to Marcos, who sh

    Joined:
    Jun 13, 2006
    Messages:
    652
    Fat Ronaldo and it's not even close.
  28. Feb 11, 2019

    tomaldinho1 Full Member

    Joined:
    Nov 26, 2015
    Messages:
    3,134
    Unless you're valuing WC success as the be all and end all, this shouldn't really even be a debate. R9 will always be remembered in a better light and at his peak, which is a flash in the pan compared to CR7, he was phenomenal but even if CR7 retired today he'd win this contest hands down for me. I 'like' R9 wayyyy more but it doesn't cloud my judgement on who is/was the better player.

    Strip back the nostalgia and, aside from the already mentioned WC success, how does R9 beat CR7 in any capacity? If the thread is a popularity contest, CR7 will be rock bottom but if this is based on career goals, assists, trophies (the things that I think should define a players career) Cristiano Ronaldo .
  29. Feb 11, 2019

    Isotope Full Member

    Joined:
    Mar 6, 2012
    Messages:
    11,816
    Supports:
    Ole Ole Ole
    If I were a manager of a team, I'd still pick CRonaldo. He has better consistency, longevity, mentality and drive, and output.
  30. Feb 11, 2019

    Cal? CR7 fan

    Joined:
    Mar 18, 2002
    Messages:
    32,083
    :lol:

    Everyone is entitled to an opinion I guess, even idiotic ones.

    :lol:
  31. Feb 11, 2019

    11101 Full Member

    Joined:
    Aug 26, 2014
    Messages:
    7,772
    :lol: Ok then
  32. Feb 11, 2019

    Jib Full Member

    Joined:
    Aug 31, 2015
    Messages:
    1,254
    R9
  33. Feb 11, 2019

    Cal? CR7 fan

    Joined:
    Mar 18, 2002
    Messages:
    32,083
    Both Cristiano and Messi are better than Pele.
  34. Feb 11, 2019

    KirkDuyt Full Member

    Joined:
    Nov 25, 2015
    Messages:
    7,541
    Location:
    Dutchland
    Supports:
    Feyenoord
    Cr7 is just a metrosexual Gerd Muller with the likability of an ulcer.

    Lima was the real deal.
  35. Feb 11, 2019

    the_irish123 New Member

    Joined:
    Jun 2, 2018
    Messages:
    641
    People re underestimating R9 here. He had an insanely good national team career. Apart from England, most of the world thinks national team is the biggest stage. People say he didn't play in 1994, but people forget how insanely good his 1998 world cup was, god knows what happened in that final. He won all Copa Americas he participated in also, as top scorer.

    "Oh but how can you compare Cristiano, who played for Portugal" It's funny people account that Brazil had way more talent, but forget that Cristiano played his career in the most stacked, millionaire teams in the world, while Ronaldo's peak was at a mediocre Barcelona and Inter teams, who were fringe UEFA Cup teams. In early Bosman rule times too, where teams were much less stacked and Valencia and others had stronger squads than Barca a lot of times.

    Of course the career of Cristiano overall, but Ronaldo's peak to me is unquestionably better. I hate how people bring up numbers here. Ronaldo was the most athletic player I've ever seen, considering all sports. But he was also one of the most technical players, with the bonus of entertainment and flair. I don't see how you improve that... unless you give him wings or something.
  36. Feb 11, 2019

    MaxiPaxi likes to shove his mum's boiled eggs up his rectum

    Joined:
    Mar 4, 2017
    Messages:
    11,613
    Ronaldo was a joy to watch 2005/06 to 07/08. Not so much in his last season but his contribution was still immense.

    It can be quite easy to forget just how good he was and how entertaining he was at the same time.

    We've got the best version of Ronaldo.
  37. Feb 11, 2019

    Hound Dog Full Member

    Joined:
    Mar 10, 2011
    Messages:
    1,858
    Location:
    Belgrade, Serbia
    Supports:
    Whoever I bet on
    I feel that many posters are still missing the premise of the thread.

    Let us imagine that Messi suffered an ACL injury during his breakout season with Barcelona and recovered in 2009, going on to lead Barcelona to CL glory.

    Then he sufferes another injury and is never the same again, ending up winning nothing apart from the treble that season.

    Who had a better career, Messi or Giggs? Giggs
    Who had the higher peak? Messi

    Regarding this thread, I feel it is impossible to argue against CR having had a better career.

    However, the peak debate is not nearly as one-sided and career stats have no place in it.
  38. Feb 11, 2019

    MaxiPaxi likes to shove his mum's boiled eggs up his rectum

    Joined:
    Mar 4, 2017
    Messages:
    11,613


    Just seen this the other day and it reminded me how amazing he was. Better than OG Ronaldo, as good as he was.
  39. Feb 11, 2019

    Peyroteo Professional Ronaldo PR Guy

    Joined:
    Jan 11, 2016
    Messages:
    7,514
    Location:
    Porto, Portugal
    Supports:
    Sporting CP
    Which Ronaldo are you talking about?
  40. Feb 11, 2019

    MrEleson New Member

    Joined:
    Oct 25, 2014
    Messages:
    248
    Domestically, you can probably fit about 2 or 3 R9 careers into one CR7 career.

    I don't really know what the OP definitively means by "peak." Statistically speaking, CR7 has about 6 or 7 seasons that eclipse R9's best season.

    CR7 has also had numerous evolutions as a player. He's been a World Class touchline winger in a 4-4-2; a world class wide forward in a 4-2-3-1 & 4-3-3 and a World Class 2nd striker in a 4-4-2 diamond or a flat 4-4-2 (for portugal). He's pretty much done it all in every kind of system you can imagine be it possession, counter-attacking or defensive. He is much more tactically flexible due to being proficient at so many facets of the game. You could probably field each iteration of CR throughout his career in the same line-up and they'd be completely different players fulfilling different roles to a world class standard; that's how much he's been able to adapt and modify his game.

    R9 at his peak was probably more explosive and could tear apart whole teams almost single-handedly but CR has also delivered some masterclasses for club and country where he's put teams to the sword through his own sheer brilliance aswell. Overall, R9 maybe had a higher ceiling but based on how things panned out, CR beats him more than comfortably imo.