Ronaldo vs Ronaldo

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    Sky1981 Fending off the urge

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    What fatnaldo did. Cronaldo did it twice longer.

    The man is banging goals in his 33 years. Ronaldo the fat one is finished by 29 playing for milan.
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    Peyroteo Professional Ronaldo PR Guy

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    Stats are extremely deceiving especially in cases like these, Cristiano is the better player but stats have nothing to do with it.
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    oneniltothearsenal Caf's Milton Friedman (and Arse aficionado) Scout

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    for ability, peak and sheer footballing genius R9 >>> cr7

    CR7 wins with longevity but that's really it.
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    KirkDuyt Full Member

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    Lima has dribble compilations that make this look pitifull. Unless you're a sucker for 183739 stepovers.

    Career wise there's no debate, but purely based on ability the Brazilian could do more with a football, even if it was only for a short time. Thing is, there's more to football than ability nd CR7 is the complete package. That's also why there's a Ronaldo Messi debate. Skill is just prt of what makes him so good.

    Just too bad he's one of the most unlikable, whiny cnuts to ever put on a pair of kicks. Makes him somewhat difficult to enjoy for people who don't support his team or country.
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    Sky1981 Fending off the urge

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    Off course it does.

    If r9 is that unstoppable where are the goals then? Surely if you're the best dribbler technicians etc you would have no problem scoring more goals?

    Stats like distance covered etc arent worth much but goals scored is the stats that matters when comparing strikers. And it's not even a measly 10-20 goals different but hundreds
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    oneniltothearsenal Caf's Milton Friedman (and Arse aficionado) Scout

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    The Donald Trump of Cr7 fans has returned!
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    Ronaldo's ego Full Member

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    Tough one but I’m going with Ronaldo
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    Edgar Allan Pillow Ero-Sennin

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    Wut? You're judging ability on ability to showboat, bicycle kicks ffs!
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    MaxiPaxi likes to shove his mum's boiled eggs up his rectum

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    I'm not a sucker for stepovers I'm a sucker for exhilarating football which it was after Ronaldo came back from WC 2006. He was unbelievable and I don't think anyone has ever lit up Old Trafford like he did maybe apart from Best but I can't comment seeing as Best was way before my time. Everything just clicked for him and his end product skyrocketed. It wasn't just random dribbles into dead ends anymore. Everytime he got the ball you expected him to do something outrageous.
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    Eric's Seagull Full Member

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    Some of us don't ignore his heading abiliity. In my opinion Cristiano is the best header of a ball that I've seen besides Duncan Ferguson.
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    shamans Hoser

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    Just want to see Scholes hit a volley.
    Bicycle kicks = showboating? :houllier:
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    Peyroteo Professional Ronaldo PR Guy

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    They matter but only up to a point. You have to take into account the different circumstances in which they were in too. It’s clearly harder for Ronaldo to score at Juve than it was in Madrid for example.

    You’re right that the gap really is huge due to the difference in longevity though. Cristiano will most likely end his career having scored more than twice as many goals than R9 did in his whole career.
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    Cal? CR7 fan

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    Comparing Cristiano to someone who wouldn’t feature in the top 20 players ever is nothing more than a joke, frankly.

    What next? Messi v Rivaldo?
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    shamans Hoser

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    Just want to see Scholes hit a volley.
    Would he score that long range shot against Sporting that Ronaldo did?
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    oneniltothearsenal Caf's Milton Friedman (and Arse aficionado) Scout

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    If you don't think R9 fits into the Top 20 peaks in footballing history then there is no hope for you Donald.
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    Edgar Allan Pillow Ero-Sennin

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    It nearly is. It not really a high % mode of how goals are scored. So see no reason why that must be a factor at all.
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    Cal? CR7 fan

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    Top 20 peaks? Subtly changing the debate again? :rolleyes:
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    Righteous Steps Full Member

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    Ability wise no contest R9 for the win, to have a player as bulky and athletic as he was do slight movements jinks dribbling at high speed would have been equivalent to watching Jonah Lomu in the 90’s in Rugby Tyson in the 80’s or Lebron James now, physical beasts of nature who had the dexterity and slight of touch to match their less athletic peers, quite possibly the best way to describe them would be as phenoms.

    Career wise obviously Cristiano, but still give me one to pick for a one off match and I can’t look past R9.
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    Kush Full Member

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    Cristiano Ronaldo left R9 in the dust 5-6 years ago, this thread is proof how high people are on nostalgia.
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    shamans Hoser

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    Just want to see Scholes hit a volley.
    The reason is because that's how he put his team in the final of the CL.
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    MaxiPaxi likes to shove his mum's boiled eggs up his rectum

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    Not really showboating when you ping one in and the keeper is literally rooted to the spot. Queresma is a showboater. 18-19 year old Ronaldo is a showboater. Ronaldo that came back from WC2006 is totally different beast. He tore you apart.

    Even Eamon Dunphy had to eat humble pie. I know he's a joker but he's a hard nosed fecker of huge proportions.
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    Righteous Steps Full Member

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    If we’re just going to talk longevity and stats then Maradona shouldn’t be mentioned in the same breath as Pele but....
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    KirkDuyt Full Member

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    With a blindfold on.
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    A-man Full Member

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    Ask Zlatan.

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    shamans Hoser

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    Just want to see Scholes hit a volley.
    .. yet never did. I guess he chose not too.
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    oneniltothearsenal Caf's Milton Friedman (and Arse aficionado) Scout

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    I'm not changing it. I easily rate R9 in top 20 players of all time. Its not even a question. I was just wondering how far down the biased route you were going to go.
    Do you accept R9 as a top 20 peak in football history?
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    Suedesi Full Member

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    The original Ronaldo had a higher peak and more talent. Career got disrupted by injuries, by 2 World Cups ain't nothing to sniff at.
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    Cal? CR7 fan

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    Probably, mainly due to difficulty defining a peak for most top keepers and defenders.
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    Kush Full Member

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    It's not just longevity and stats, if we are taking that metric Cristiano Ronaldo shits on R9 from an even greater height.

    I'm talking about their respective peaks at which Cristiano Ronaldo was scoring 60+ goals and winning Ballon d'Or vs another GOAT player in Messi. It's not close for me, people remember R9 delivering on biggest stage of all in WC and hence overrating him. Nothing he's done at club level surpasses what CR7 or Messi have done.

    Anyways, I doubt you're going to change your stance (or others) for that matter on this topic. I've said my piece why I think CR7 surpassed him long ago, you can disagree.
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    Don't worry. Better have him than stupid divas like Depay.
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    I'm afraid Cristiano is out of his depth here as far as football ability is concerned.

    It's not a contest between the two imo, as pre injury R9 is much better at everything related to football except for in the air where CR is indeed fantastic. R9 is a much better dribbler, passer and technician as a whole, he's much better in tight spaces as he needs less leg room to operate compared to CR, has a lighter first touch and is a hell lot more press resistant.

    Add a sharper finisher to that. CR to all his goals misses a hell lot of chances, while comparing the number of goals between eras is pointless:

    Inter scored 62 goals in 97/98, out of which R9 accounted for 40%

    Barca scored 102 goals in 96/97, out of which R9 accounted for 34%

    Real scored 121 goals in 11/12, out of which CR accounted for 38%

    In 14/15 we scored 118 goals, CR had 40%

    But the gap in the quality of the goals is big, that's where the difference for me comes from. R9 made better plays, scored better and more difficult goals
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    Suedesi Full Member

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    What Ronaldo did at Barca, Inter and Real (albeit not consistently because of injuries), Cristina can't even dream about matching. And in terms of technique, they're worlds apart.
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    Cheesy Bread with dipping sauce Scout

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    Brazilian Ronaldo was arguably the better player at his peak, but CR7 comes out as having had the better career. Suppose it depends which out the two you value more.
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    Anyone who thinks Cristiano Ronaldo is better than Ronaldo de Lima cannot have been watching football when the lad was playing.

    RdL was a brilliantly gifted player whose career was limited by injuries - CR is a talented, but not brilliant, player who has reached the top by being lucky with injuries and working hard.

    I'm a big CR7 fan, I'll make that clear, but there's no comparison.
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    LiteralDave New Member

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    Not sure what the meaning of higher peak is anymore. At Lima Ronaldo's greatest, did he achieve more than Cristiano Ronaldo? Individually or collectively(team). If no, then how was his peak greater than Cristiano's?
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    KirkDuyt Full Member

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    Definitely, with the added fact that Depay is also a mediocre player.

    I'm Dutch, we tend to rate our players less than the rest of the world. If you want to really get to me, try going after Dirk Kuyt ;)
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    KirkDuyt Full Member

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    I honestly have no clue what shot you're talking about. Did they both take that particular shot?
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    Genuinely think CR7 is the best ever with everything considered.
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    Arbitrium Hosts above average award ceremonies

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    It was against Porto, and a one off.
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    MaxiPaxi likes to shove his mum's boiled eggs up his rectum

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    Not sure how Ronaldo tops this.