Rooney: Manchester United should go 'all out' for Mauricio Pochettino

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  1. Jan 22, 2019

    Gary_Walsh_Nou_Camp_Hell New Member

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    I appreciate what you're saying, there's a logic behind appointing Pochetino.

    But there can never be any guarantees that a new manager will be successful - to some extent it's always a roll of the dice.

    So if Solskjaer is getting good results and the players are happy (key players wanting to sign new contracts) it is hard to throw that away for another roll of the dice...
  2. Jan 22, 2019

    Santoryo ripping the reward

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    Completely missed my point.

    I'm also not interested about the clichés people love throwing around about understanding the club etc. Truth of the matter is when a chance to grab someone like Poch presents itself , you grab it.
  3. Jan 22, 2019

    ReddBalls New Member

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    No. Your point was that he manages without any pressure, which would be impossible having been a part of the club for 15 years. He knows exactly what's expected of the manager and the team, and that should scare the hell out of anyone. Also, right now he's having a six month audition. If that's not pressure. What is?

    "Someone like Poch"? He's a good manager, but he's hardly Pep, is he?
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    Rish Sawhney New Member

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    This is simply not true. Mourinho said the exact same thing about Sanchez, but look how that turned out. For someone not interested in throwing out clichés you're just thrown out a pretty big one.

    The fact is that doing well at other places is no guarantee of doing well at United. Especially because there's a lot more responsibility at United. Everything's on you for the footballing side here. In that regard I reckon Ole is much more prepared to deal with things than Poch is. I think his 15 years as a player counts way more than Poch's managerial experience.

    I think of it like an Apple vs. Amazon thing. Yeah they both have engineers, but the culture and philosophy of the company are very different. To the point that it might be better for apple to promote their engineers into leadership roles from within than by hiring people already in leadership roles at Amazon.

    Thats what I consider Man united to be. Its not good enough for us to just hire the best head coach around and hope he can get our entire team and academy to play his way. We need someone who knows what it takes to be a Man United manager, and can get the incoming players to play the Man united way.
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  5. Jan 23, 2019

    NinjaZombie Punched the air when Liverpool beat City

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    I've wanted Poch since we sacked Van Gaal. But damn, if Ole gets 4th, I want him to get the job. Even more so if he goes further in the CL.
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    Lam Full Member

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    I would actually prefer more ex-players coming out and saying something like this to unsettle Poch and Spurs. I still believe Spurs are one defeat away from a mini-collapse and will very much be fighting for top 4.
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    Micky Targaryen Full Member

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    People against Poch just because he has not won any trophies has got to the one of the weakest arguments ever. Totally ignoring Spurs attacking style, the players he has improved throughout his tenure, his limited resources, his moneybag rivals, his player's desire to continue playing for him despite their comparatively low wages, etc.

    Look, I'm not against the appointment of Ole and I'm absolutely delighted that we are having a dream start currently, but surely you can see that Poch is the more logical appointment? Like some poster above said, Ole has only just started his tenure and let's judge at the end of the season. As of right now, my money is still on Poch.
  8. Jan 23, 2019

    ReddBalls New Member

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    Why? Solskjær performs as of right now. He understands what the club is about, he knows what pressure comes with the job, he has a history of nurturing talent, he has trophies in his cabinet (albeit small ones). Disrupting the club now that everybodys seems to be in a good mood and the team is performing to start anew is not logical at all. Pochettino performs well for Spurs, but it's not guaranteed that he will do that for United.
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    Micky Targaryen Full Member

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    That's exactly my point. He is performing as of right NOW. So should we hand him a permanent contract right now based on 7 games? Or is it more logical to offer Poch the job who has been performing for a few seasons with Spurs? That's what I meant by let's judge Ole at the end of the season instead of getting giddy over 7 games.

    As for the second bolded part, tell me which manager is guaranteed to perform for United? Every appointment is a gamble in itself. Hence why I said Poch is the more logical appointment based on his years of experience in the PL.
  10. Jan 23, 2019

    ReddBalls New Member

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    The only guarantee we have is what works at the moment. We know more about what Solskjær brings as a manager for United than Pochettino. That's what makes the latter the biggest gamble.

    With regards to a permanent contract, no ones getting that yet, so that's just hypothetical. There's a eal in place with him being a caretaker for the rest of the season, so why rush?
  11. Jan 23, 2019

    StrettyEnder07 New Member

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    Question for you seeing as you're so against Ole, if Poch/Spurs slip out of the top 4 and miss out on Champions League, win nothing again but Ole gets us in the top 4 come the end of the season and say does well even wins the FA Cup (no one is really expecting us to beat PSG no matter who we had in charge), would Poch still be twice the manager Ole is and walk into the job?

    Or would Ole have earned the right to be given a shot?
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    hellohello Full Member

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    You think Pep could have done what Pochettino has done at Spurs? I'm not so sure, I find this Pep worshiping on this forum to be a little strange tbh.
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    crossy1686 Full Member

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    I don't think anyone's saying he should get a permanent contract right now, people are saying that if he continues like this it's hard to look past Solskjaer as the permanent manager, regardless of who is available. I think most people are Solskjaer in, if it doesn't work, give Pochettino a go instead.

    What would be enough for you to want him to stay permanently then? I'm also willing to be solid gold bars that should Pochettino become the first team manager we'll see nowhere near the success Solskjaer as had, nor a 7 game winning streak.
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    GBBQ Full Member

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    Poch can be twice the manager Ole is and Ole can deserve a shot, these things aren't mutually exclusive.

    Poch's career is much more of an upward trajectory, specifically since joining the Premier League. If he drops out of the top 4 he might rightly point at the lack of signings for his team (especially after a World Cup year where key players like Kane, Alli and Lloris played til the end of the tournament). I don't believe it is evidence that Poch cant hack it at United.

    Ole has had a patchy managerial career and not shown anything prior to suggest he would suit the United job. He does however know the club and like Zidane and Pep sometimes ex players don't need to cut their teeth at struggling teams to do well. So if Ole does all you say he might then he would be deserving of a shot.

    Long way to go though.
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    nickm Full Member

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    Far, far too early to say. Ole's made a good start. He's not been properly tested. And we're looking for someone to rebuild a club not just change an atmosphere. Many, many more questions to ask of Ole than he's been asked so far.
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    StrettyEnder07 New Member

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    Why I was asking the question mate, I'm personally happy if either of them get it, Poch is a class act and has done wonders with what he has been given, but if Ole comes close to what have said above, surely he deserves a crack at it.

    Poch would have to come in and do something pretty spectacular to upstage Ole next season, at the moment a decent DOF, Ole, Phelan, Carrick, McKenna on the bench, De Gea, Pogba, Martial, Rashford Herrera hopefully signing new deals, players happy and playing well, the style is easy on the eye and scoring goals, if (and it is a big IF), that continues to the end of the season, you are giving up a hell of a lot of harmony to appoint a manager who has not won a trophy and his side have dropped from 3rd by 10 points to outside the top 4 in 4 months.

    Interesting decision
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    StrettyEnder07 New Member

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    I thought every man and his dog said Spurs away was a big test? Has that now been forgotten because he passed it?

    If we would have lost you can guarantee everyone would have been giving it "first big test and he failed it", but because he passed it, it gets swept under the carpet and onto the next one until he fails one, that how it works?
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    Eleven-Eighteen New Member

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    Got to agree with Gary Neville here - it's still too early to be deciding who to go with. It's an opinion that can only begin to start forming in March. And the efforts to sign a full time Manager can therefore not begin until April, which would still give us at least 2 months to hire someone.

    Levy is going to be an absolute shithead to deal with, as expected. Not looking forward to that dynamic
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    Revaulx Full Member

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    I think what many people want to see is how he and the team respond to a setback. It would be nice to carry on without any, but there’s bound to be one eventually.

    I agree that anyone saying that he’s “failed” on his first defeat is an idiot.
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    ReddBalls New Member

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    Not sure either, but there is evidence that suggests Pep would do very well at a big club like United which is what's relevant. Pochettino doing well with a small budget at Spurs does not mean that he would do well at a big club with a big budget like Pep. That does not mean I'm a huge fan of the catalan.
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    Nikelesh Reddy Full Member

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    Relax mate,he’s entitled to his opinion.And guess what,he’s a million times more qualified than any of us to give his opinion...after all he’s only our all time leading goal scorer...
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    luke511 Full Member

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    I think this first month has been a pretty huge test and he's passed with flying colours. Tactically he's got us playing almost as good as we were in 2012/2013, definitely no easy feat to say how dreadful it was under Mourinho. I like how you trust a Tottenham manager more than Solskjaer who played under Ferguson for 11 years to rebuild the club back to what it used to be. I'm not saying Pochettino won't be a hit, but we'd be sending out a terrible message if we were to get rid of OJS.
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    nickm Full Member

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    Properly tested, in the sense of all the tests that come with running a big football club - trading players, building a team... not just the on the pitch stuff. Let's not be sentimental about this decision.
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    luke511 Full Member

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    He's getting the most out of his players, the excitement back and we're winning again, there's nothing sentimental about it. That's a big discredit to his and Mike Phelan's work so far. This "just on the pitch" stuff is where we've been fecking up the most and you make it sound like it's a fraction of the job. Pochettino isn't really well proved in those departments either, his strength is what happens on the pitch too. Kane and Eriksen were already at the club when Pochettino joined and Alli was picked up by the scouts. He just glued it all together. Similar situation at Southampton, he left the season they sold all their players, he did zero rebuilding there.
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    hellohello Full Member

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    Yeah that's fair, Pep has definitely shown that if he spends enough he can coach and create a very good football team while Poch has shown that he can over-perform with limited resources. I'd still argue that with Guardiolas spending he hasn't done anything remarkable.
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    JoseandMkhiarespecial New Member

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    No way. 'All out' - e.g. Back him with £100 million and sack him if his signings flop. Like Brendan Rodgers at Liverpool that cost them years of recovery.

    I'd rather stick with Ole and install a director of football to ensure the signings aren't huge contract flops.
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    Pexbo has never watched Star Wars

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    £100m? I’d imagine he would want to sign more than one player.
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    wolvored Full Member

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    We just got rid of a manager with that, and had won the Premier League. Doesnt always work out.
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    Rish Sawhney New Member

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    Performing at Man United RIGHT NOW is a better predictor of possible success at Man United in the future than performing for other clubs in the past.

    "tell me which manager is guaranteed to perform for United? Every appointment is a gamble in itself."
    True, but its a bigger gamble to not keep on someone who's performing right now than keeping him on. And its an even bigger gamble to appoint a Spurs manager who has no experience signing and managing big money players, won next to nothing, and who lucked into a very good group of players and constantly underachieved with them. If Harry Kane spent the rest of his career at Spurs even if Poch was the manager the whole time, he'd have exactly as many PL titles as Steven Gerrard.
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    crossy1686 Full Member

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    Rooney's changed his tune:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/47134754

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    Zarir Chaudhuri New Member

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    Shut up Wazza. We want Ole.
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    Adisa likes to take afvanadva wothowi doubt

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    Don't think he's changed his mind. If it isn't Poch, it should be Ole.
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    amolbhatia50k Sneaky bum time

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    It's not much of a change in tune.

    People were just taking him too literally. He thinks Pochettino is our best/most reliable option but is willing to see where this Ole project seems to be going.
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    Zlatattack Full Member

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    Lets see how Feb/March go. We're playing Fulham, PSG, Chelsea, Liverpool, Palace, Southampton, Arsenal, Man City and Watford.

    If we still look decent after this big run - i'd give Ole the job. Personally I'd give it him if we looked competitive against PSG and retained 4th place during this period.
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    crossy1686 Full Member

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    I think we've seen enough of Ole to know he's the right man for the job. We'd be judging Mourinho on dropping points in the games we've played so far, so it's only fair to judge Ole on winning those games.

    Playing some of the most difficult teams in Europe isn't a fair barometer as the margins are incredibly slim and will ultimately come down to a mistake or a moment of brilliance.

    But yeah, they should just make the appointment official after February.
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    Zlatattack Full Member

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    I disagree. I think that should be our real barometer. It's a matter of expectations. Being better than a failing manager is not the level of expectation we have at Manchester United - Ole would probably say the same. I grew up watching a club i'd expect to win such games - we might not be at that level yet; but i don't want someone who seems incapable of getting us there.
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    crossy1686 Full Member

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    But it's impossible to judge someone on those games with a squad they inherited 10 games ago, and if that were our run in the first 10 games of next season and Pochettino was the manager, people wouldn't be calling for his head and rightly so.

    For the first time in a long time, we're going into this month with a run of games like that and we're all quietly optimistic about our chances in all areas. The ground we have covered in the last 10 games feels like the last 6 years have been erased. Sometimes people just fit at clubs and Jones scoring an own goal in the dying minutes of a Champions League tie to knock us out shouldn't ultimately be what Solskjaer is judged on.
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    ReddBalls New Member

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    He is not just "better than the failing manager", he is outperforming everyone in the PL and he has got the team, the staff, the fans and the media to believe in the club again.
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    Funky Futurista Full Member

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    The feel good factor is definitely there still, and Ole is performing above expectation at the moment. I would love to see him stay but with a proper system around him. Hopefully we'll get a DOF in before the summer, and then also see how well Ole have done. Poch is a good shout but this club needs more than a good manager, the whole system needs to change so we have mutiple people working on transfers. Not just DOF, but analysts and scouts working towards getting not just the best but more importantly the most suitable targets according to how we would like to set up tactically and formation wise.

    If all this gets done correctly, then I think both of these 2 managers would be a good fit. Ole kinda goes ahead of Poch for me on the pure winning mentality and seemingly willing to go all out for the club (the scouting on PSG just hours after the Leicester match as an example). Poch is a better tactical coach though, and may also be better at developing youth although it seems Ole also has a talent for that.
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    Sky1981 Fending off the urge

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    Ole only has cardiff and molde experiences previously. Pochetinno has years more experiences and 4 years at tottenham.

    We should compare the fresh pochetinno to compare apple to apple. Ole has done more in his first 5 years managing than pochetinno first 5.

    Also on developing youth, you can only develop players in your possession. Give ole a young kane and alli i dont think he would have done a worse job.