Rooney or Van Persie

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  1. Mar 8, 2012

    wr8_utd :'(

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    Rooney has 42 goals and 21 assists since the start of last season despite being rubbish for the first half of 20011-12.

    RvP has 60 goals and 17 assists since the start of last season.

    They're both world class players and the top 2 strikers in the world at the moment
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    wr8_utd :'(

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    Well just because Rooney or RvP might not get into the World XI doesn't mean that they're not world class. We all know Ronaldo and Messi are by far the best players in the world and Rooney and Rvp are not on the same level but that doesn't mean that they aren't world class either. If these two aren't world class then are there any strikers around the world that are?
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    amolbhatia100 Barbiturates ain't got nothin' on me

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    Wr8, so what if his definition of world class doesn't match yours? Everyone has a different one.
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    Zen Full Member

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    Plus if Messi don't count for striker....Rooney don't....which is something I've seen you argue before, so you are contradicting yourself purely to defend Rooney.

    Short of world class because of Ronaldo and Messi keeping them out of that bracket isn't a big knock either tbf...now if he comes in and says Gomez, Aguero, or Ibra or something are the reasons why, then maybe you could argue it, but I think he'll have them even shorter.
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    wr8_utd :'(

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    Well I just think if we're using Ronaldo and Messi as standards to determine if a forward is world class or not, we won't have any world class forwards until Ronaldo and Messi begin to decline.
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    Chabon Full Member

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    Amazed nobody has made this point yet. Rooney could do Van Persie's role nearly as well as the dutchmen, Van Persie wouldn't have a hope of playing Rooney's role. I think that has some relevance when comparing the players.

    Of course, as pointed out already, Rooney did play Van Persie's role for a season not so long ago, and he had 34 goals (26 in the league) at around this stage of the season.
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    Zen Full Member

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    Not sure if serious [​IMG]
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    JazzG Resident Arse.

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    Yes I'm sure Fergie has stopped him from playing the RvP role because he would rather him be more of an all round player rather than score 30+ goals a season....
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    Chabon Full Member

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    No, it's because Ferguson realised we play better as a team with him playing deeper, and he can still score 30+ goals a season, as he will this year.

    Do you think Van Persie would make a world class number ten?
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    Zen Full Member

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    You are being serious....this has been covered -_-

    And maybe not as a strict 10, but RVP has done well in a support role, to Henry and Adebayor, but that was back when he couldn't get like 10 games in a row before breaking down.
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    Chabon Full Member

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    The fact that Van Persie and Rooney play very different roles hasn't really been covered, aside from people saying "Rooney is a better all-round player" (whatever that means). I'm not comparing their attributes, but the roles they are asked to play for their teams. Rooney has been world class in both, Van Persie world class in just the one, I think that's a pretty strong argument in favour of Rooney being the better player.

    edit: To clarify, I think this whole debate is based on a fallacy: that you can compare the current form of two players playing very different roles using the same statistics. So saying that Van Persie has scored more goals than Rooney this season is completely irrelevant. If you want to compare them in the same role, then you either compare RVP this season to Rooney two years ago, or you compare Rooney from the last two seasons to Van Persie back when Adebayor and Henry were around. Based on those two separate comparisons Rooney breezes the overall contest, and is therefore a better player to my mind. Although, of course, RVP's injuries could be part of that, but it's not like Rooney's ever had an injury-free season.

    If you want to ask the question "Is Rooney a better number ten than Van Persie is a number nine", well, how do you really answer that? It's not like comparing a world class midfielder and a mediocre CB, these are the two best players in their positions in the league.
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    amolbhatia100 Barbiturates ain't got nothin' on me

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    No, I'm taking Rooney's versatility into account when I say I think Van Persie is the better of the two today. Number 10 or number 9 or number 456, Rooney hasn't hit these levels before imo. And for what it's worth I think Van Persie is a pretty class round player. He'd make a better wide forward for example than Rooney imo.

    And a lot of people who have said that van persie is better aren't just looking at his goalacoring and hence comparing players performing different roles unfairly. At least read people's views properly.
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    I think Van Persie at this moment is one of the best strikers in Europe with [Lionel] Messi, [Cristiano] Ronaldo, Sergio [Aguero] and Mario [Balotelli].

    From Mancini.

    No mention of Rooney. And what Mancini says goes. So that settles that. RVP > Rooney. Obviously.
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    JazzG Resident Arse.

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    He has set up more goals than Rooney this season so I think he would manage just fine. This new role was kind of forced upon him and due to his injury problems and he has exceeded beyond expectations in this new role so why change him back? Why tinker with something that is working so well.
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    Brwned Have you ever been in love before?

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    I'm not sure he breezes it in either area. 20 goals and 13 assists in 36 starts for Van Persie back in 08/09 compared to 24 goals and 4 assists in 28 starts for Rooney this season. Rooney's developed into a better goalscorer even in a deeper role since that stint as a #9 so it wouldn't be surprising if Van Persie has too, and only once before has Rooney got more than 13 assists (07/08 he got 14, in 39 starts).
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    Not sure Van Persie could do the role Rooney does to be honest. The other aspect of Rooney playing deeper is that we need him to be much more involved the build up and effectively play in a 5 man midfield particularly when we are away from home. In the old 4-4-2 system that Bergkamp played in I'm sure Van Persie would do a great job, nowadays I am not so sure. Wenger's been spot on with his use of RVP in my view.
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    FlawlessThaw most 'know it all' poster

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    Now that they have both been at the same club for two months now who do you think is the better player?
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    Eugenius Full Member

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    Rooney is for me certainly more influential and a better fit for the team although RVP probably has more quality in his finishing and technique and can produce moments from nowhere more often.
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    Varun Wants the D...

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    Before RVP moved here, i was of the opinion that Rooney is the better overall player while RVP is the better true striker. Seen nothing to change my mind as yet.
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    Freak Born a freak always a freak.

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    Rooney has more to his game, but RVP is more of a specialist at what he does. So it depends on what you want.
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    Cina hell hath no fury like a Cina scorned

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    RVP was very influential to the overall game when deployed as a "wide forward" though, it's since Wenger converted him to a lone forward that he's become more of an out and out goal scorer and thus limited him in other aspects.

    A bit like what we did with Rooney in 09/10.
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    Ronaldo's Mum Eh? Ronaldo is shite

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    You got what you wished for :devil:

    I'm of the same opinion. Rooney has more to his game. But as a goalscorer and finisher, RvP is better.
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    Who cares who's better.

    Play them both up front... and watch us crush teams.
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    I'm gonna repeat the version of my earlier post.Since their careers started in the PL I'd take Rooney as the better player but for the last couple of years it's RVP for me
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    jakec nightclub John Terry

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    Rooney's a better player, RVP is a better striker.
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    Rooney24 Full Member

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    They are both going into my fantasy team this weekend.

    I have a feeling Rooney is going to go on a bit of a run.
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    Ronaldo's Mum Eh? Ronaldo is shite

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    I already have them starting together and I'm thinking of putting Aguero in there as well since Tevez hasn't been starting lately.


    Aguero, RvP and Rooney up front :drool:
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    amolbhatia100 Barbiturates ain't got nothin' on me

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    Same as I did before, that Van Persie is the better player.
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    adamwest Full Member

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    Are the rest of your players scrubbers? That's pretty much half your kitty spent on 3 players!
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    Lailiani (Sadly not) Banned

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    Easily Van Persie.
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    OGkush Full Member

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    Rooney without a question.
  32. Oct 18, 2012

    wr8_utd :'(

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    If I was losing a game and needed someone to come off the bench and change the match for me, it would be Rooney.

    If I had to choose between one of them to start a match, it would be Rooney. However they're both world class strikers but Rooney is more influential on the way our team plays whereas RvP is the better finisher.
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    ShadesOfTomato Full Member

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    Apparently, it's 10 years today since Rooney scored that goal vs Arsenal. fecking hell.
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    peterstorey Specialist In Failure

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    I'd say that's about right.
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    Brophs The one and only

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    Ditto.
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    Lynk Obsessed with discrediting Danny Welbeck

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    Agreed. Then it's sorted.
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    Inspectah deck Full Member

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    I made this thread back in March, at the time, and up until the start of this season I would have said Rooney was the slightly better player. RVP has changed my mind though, having watched him even more I think he's noticeably better than Rooney, the gap isn't big but....it's fairly obvious I think.
    On another note, Is he looking like he's on the level of Iniesta and Xavi and dare I say, Ronaldo? The latter depending on how he performs till the end of the season of course. He's been on this ridiculous "form" for almost 2 years now, this is consistency that no one other than Messi, Ronaldo, and Xavi display.​
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    Sandikan Full Member

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    It's probably not the fairest time to compare when Rooney hasn't really got into fully swing, and is out injured, whereas VP is flying, and has just got us out of jail today!

    Marvellous strike from VP though, noone else in our squad would have made that ball into such a terrific touch and finish I'm certain.
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    Proud_Lyon Banned Cnut

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    Indeed, to win trophies, you need consistent players. At the moment, RVP is the most consistent player in the team. We need this to continue all the way through including the Champions League. I believe that he will be the player that makes the difference in the Champions League against Real Madrid. They will try and keep him on his right foot, but as we have seen, he is capable of scoring with his right foot.
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    Last year when it was closer, it was clearly RVP for me and now it's not even fair to compare anymore.

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