Roy Hodgson | Appointed England Manager

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    Ekeke Full Member

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    Did he even play there this season? Thought he was playing on the left so the youngster could play on the right. If so how can you use his stats in another position?
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    peterstorey Specialist In Failure

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    ... and they are lovely beyond any singing of it.
    I think it's a different being 'in it' and being 'around it'. I'm far from sure it works - I'd like to see England sort out the U17/19/21 business to get continuity of playing style, tournament experience and promotion to the main squad. Pearce is a feckwit and he's not going to help deliver any of that.
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    KM I’m afraid I just blue myself

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    Rio seems genuinely gutted that he isn't selected.
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    adexkola American Arse

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    Ekeke Full Member

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    Eh but that list includes Downing. Twice.

    We can play Baines on the left wing and have a much better outcome.

    In fact Cole - Baines would work a lot like Valencia's Mathieu and Alba combination. Solid no matter what and good coming forward with good balance and a player who can put a top cross in.
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    duffer Sensible and not a complete jerk like most oppo's

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    Is that suprising to you? He always seemed very proud to play for England to me.
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    Pure poetry


    And the really sad thing is - I actually won't be shocked if this side starts the first match.

    I'm wondering if there is some darker powers at work here - how does every single manager manage to do the same thing, which we've all seen fail time after time?
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    The Taurean looks like a chipmunk

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    You can't blame him. Never played at Euro, had a great season and a good professional. But who gets ahead!
    There is the part about him playing continuous matches but when you look at some players in the team or even in standby then its hard not to feel dejected.
    I wonder Carrick will even announce his international retirement. no point whatsoever.
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    B20 Giggsy! Giggsy! Giggsy!

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    Erm yes. He played virtually all season on the right. We had Enrique for leftback.
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    AlwaysRedwood Banned

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    I thought Baines was a left back. I never watch Everton.
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    Sarni nice guy, unassuming, objective United fan.

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    Why would Carrick retire from international football when he's basically had no international football for ages?
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    AlwaysRedwood Banned

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    Yeah, I get it. Just seems like Downing is the only true winger out of the bunch. He sucks but I'm sure Hodgson has looked at tape and seen how many balls Downing put in that Carroll put into the stands.

    I don't know what all the fuss is about though. England weren't going to get far anyway.
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    AlwaysRedwood Banned

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    He might just be worn out from this season. He played a lot of games.
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    KM I’m afraid I just blue myself

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    Nah mate, was just making a point and yes you are right, Rio looks one of the most proudest when he plays for England. Also check out the last tweet that Rio favorited to see how he feels about this.
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    I don't know. From the reaction on here at least, it seemed like some people believed that hiring Hodgson instead of Redknapp would bring in a master tactician who was going to freshen things up by bringing in young players.

    Instead, we're getting the same players as always and, if his history is anything to go by, we're likely to be getting the old fashioned 4-4-2 as well. If he was going to bring in all these old farts, he could have at least asked Scholes back.

    What are the odds for a) England not qualifying from their group and b) not winning a game?
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    The Taurean looks like a chipmunk

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    That's exactly my point. Its a absolute travesty for him.
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    amolbhatia100 Barbiturates ain't got nothin' on me

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    That's not obvious at all. In fact, it doesn't even make sense. They'd all most likely jump at the chance of representing their country and a major international tournament instead of sitting on their backsides all summer doing feck all of note.

    And I'd still take Cleverley. He's fit now, and he's an intelligent player. He'll get up to speed with things faster than most. And he represents the kind of footballers in England need. Clever, technically sound and with an eye for a pass.
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    africanspur Full Member

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    Has Carrick done something to the FA at some point during his career?
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    AlwaysRedwood Banned

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    He wasn't appointed in a time when he could come in and make sweeping changes. If he survives Euro, he probably will.

    As a tactician, he likes his wingers to stay wide. All the other players England have like to cut in. I'm assuming that's why he included Downing.
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    peterstorey Specialist In Failure

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    England managers seem to mirror stupid fans: 'Carrick what does he do?'.
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    Notice I also said "club." You think Hodgson hasn't spoken to the clubs?

    Your assumption is they would. You have no proof. I'm just offering an alternative theory.


    Cleverly simply hasn't been healthy enough this season to be included. That's not at all surprising. I wouldn't have taken him. I'm sure he'll get a look when this tournament is over.
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    He's so obviously the best English central midfielder, who can play in a 2 man midfield, and probably the one best suited to international football. I'm constantly astounded that not only is he not an automatic starter, he is not even called up to the squad.
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    amolbhatia100 Barbiturates ain't got nothin' on me

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    I think it's a fair assumption that the players would love to be there. And I can't see why the clubs would hold them back. Why would Fergie let Young, Jones and Rooney go but hold Carrick back? And how would Carrick feel about being denied his big chance at a major tournament? It makes no sense to me. It sounds like a spastic move for clubs to do that and a spastic move for the players to actually let themselves be treated like that. I'd understand if some of them have niggles but not for any other reason.

    And why should Hodgson speak to the clubs? He has to speak to the player he wants and ask him whether he's available for selection and that's that. It's not the club's business.

    I agree that Cleverley isn't really an omission per say. It's just my preference that I'd take him. I think players like him are the ones England need to start moving towards.
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    Sky1981 Fending off the urge

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    If that's the team roy can come up with, he lost my respect.

    On the other side, I can't believe the likes of Capello, Sven, et al can't see that lampard, Gerrard, Terry, et al deserves to get benched. The dross they've shown 9 out of 10 games for England is bafling

    Take Gerrard our and even LFC is playing good. I suspect the likes of them are big bad bullies in the changing room.
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    peterstorey Specialist In Failure

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    Plenty on here who don't get it.
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    Has a reason every been mentioned for consistently omitting Carrick ? An official reason I mean.
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    What's most concerning is not the uninspiring calibre of players that he's selected, but what that means in terms of the kind of football he intends to play. By snubbing those most suited to international football - Carrick, Scholes, Ferdinand - it's a clear signal that the lessons of 2008 and 2010 haven't been learned. While relying on Terry, Barry, Gerrard, Lampard and Carroll isn't going to produce anything like the type of football required to succeed at this level.
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    Ekeke Full Member

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    Fair enough I wasnt watching midtable matches much. What happened to the right back you were using the season before?
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    Ekeke Full Member

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    Of course he's a left back.

    But Downing is a left back in England while the England squad goes to a tournament without him kind of player if ever I saw one.

    Sorry but a left winger who is a good crosser of the ball doesnt end the season with 0 assists. It does not happen and completely disproves the idea that he'd be taken as he's a better crosser than the other options.
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    I originally supported the appointment of Hodgson.

    He's let everyone down.
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    B20 Giggsy! Giggsy! Giggsy!

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    Kelly was rightly kept out of the team in the first half of the season. Johnson and Enrique were both looking really good. Then had some bad luck with injuries (he always is, really) around the time Enrique went off the boil which could have been his chance.

    He's got some games, maybe not as many as hoped for. I think if Enrique continues his donkey form next season, we will see Glen move to the left to accodomate Kelly on the right. Makes little difference to Johnson really. Slightly less potent going forwards from the left, but he also seems slightly more positionally aware on the left.
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    He does with Liverpool. I'm not saying he's a great crosser of the ball but he's not much worse than anyone else England has to offer in that respect.
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    Ole's_toe_poke Ole_Aged_Slow_Poke

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    He's shite on the left
    He's shite on the riiiiiiggghhht
    That boy Johnson
    He's just really shite
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    Woy plays a stat game. He doesn't use the gut thinking that most managers like Fergie uses. He goes with facts, not instinct. We will suffer for bringing in more industrial West Brom/Stoke like players.
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    I feel sorry for Rio, he has had a few problems, and we know he sometimes needs recovery time, but I feel even more sorry for Carrick, is it only Fergie and the United fans who watch him regularly that appreciate what he actually does.

    On the other hand, Rio, Carrick and Scholes will be fresh and raring to go for next season.
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    Must be one weird stat game if it convinced him to select Mr. Zero Goals/Zero Assists Downing.
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    ArmchairCritic You got pets me too mines are dead

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    Still trying to figure out Carrick's omission, ridiculous.
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    Another disappointing tournament awaits us England fans then?
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    Not sure if it's true but just saw this "Apparently he (Woy) said he looked at Chamberlain because of his performances against greats like Ambrosini and Pirlo.

    Ambrosini didn't play against Arsenal and Pirlo was a Juve player. "
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    Even though he's taken Carroll who's scored 4 PL goals all season, and Downing who has no league goals or assists?

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