Roy Hodgson | Appointed England Manager

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  1. May 17, 2012

    davisjw Full Member

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    Roy said Carrick told him if he wasn't going to be in the 18 then he didn't want to go. I think he's reached a Scholes breaking point - you want to play for your country, but you're wasting your time going each time and not given the chance to succeed.

    Carrick has had poor games for England, but the England squad has not played to his strengths. I was hoping Roy would fix that.
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    It's not just about England having a decent chance of winning but more like England playing with the right players and playing good football.
    Just like for France, I'll be behind the team not because I'm hoping they win the tournament but because I know the football played will probably be good (at least much better than in 2004-2008-2010)
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    That might work to survive in the PL. It wouldn't cut any ice at Euro level.
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    Doesn't really make a difference if they buy into it or not. England just don't have the players, simple as that.
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    England will struggle to get out of the group
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    So, when does this thread become the Roy Hodgson Sack Watch?
  8. May 31, 2012

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    It won't. Roy now has an "excuse" and the FA love their puppet managers.

    Not only were Roy's initial squad decisions poor so are his backups!

    Liverpool are now the most represented club :lol:
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    I used to be such a patriot but I really cannot wait to see this team fail badly. 3 losses would be great. They might actually learn something then but seeing as we are making the same mistakes we highlighted and swore to learn from in the last 5 tournaments I won't hold my breath.
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    All that will matters is getting out of the group rather than how. If they do, they can borrow a leaf from chslea and play defiance football to get them a final place or more.
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    Chelsea had Drogba. England have Carroll. I'm going to put a fiver on England going out in the groups.
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    The decision was made before Hodgson came in. And you can't guarantee any player he'll start on an international squad.
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    Chabon Full Member

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    Carrick didn't ask for any such guarantees.
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    Not true according the Football Weekly. I'll take them over you unless you want to provide proof.
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    Hodgson will probably offer guarantees along the lines of "by the time we get to the end of the group stages I can promise you we won't be sitting there at the bottom."
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    English Man Utd players:

    Scholes
    Carrick
    Young
    Jones
    Welbeck
    Ferdinand
    Rooney

    English Liverpool players:

    Gerrard
    Henderson
    Downing
    Carroll
    Johnson
    Kelly

    And he has opted for more Liverpool players than Utd players.
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    Chabon Full Member

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    How about you take the comments that were actually made and reported instead of some blokes near a microphone?

    "We were advised a few months ago that because of where he was in his career, that he wanted to step back from being called up and sitting on the subs bench. He will help in extreme situations," - Adrian Bevington.

    And to place that in context, Carrick hasn't gotten off the England bench in over two years.
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    Missing Cleverly, Shelvey & Carragher
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    Is Jordan Henderson being called up not just about as extreme a fecking situation as you can get?
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    You'd know better than me, but surely either Shelvey or Spearing would be more deserving of a call-up than the most gormless man in the world?
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    I tried to keep it to players who it would have been reasonable/feasible to take. Scholes was maybe a stretch but the point still stands.
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    Cleverley was called up to the preliminary squad but withdrew with an injury.
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    I had a lot of hope for Roy Hodgson. He has a fairly straightforward tactical template that's relatively easy to understand and to execute if you're disciplined and willing to do the job that's expected from you in his system. Because of that if you buy into it and adhere to it rigidly it tends to yield fairly quick results and Roy has been able to turn around struggling sides at both international and club level e.g. Switzerland, Finland, Inter (when he went there they were firmly in Juve and Milan's slipstream), Fulham and West Brom.

    However, I worry for him now with what he's got to work with. Gerrard's tactical indiscipline and impatience against Norway was all to visible and by trying to rush things several times he showed graphically why Benitez never trusted him in centre midfield. For Roy's blueprint to work you need two centre midfielders who hold their positions and more importantly hold the ball when they've got it not take three touches and try to Hollywood ball it down the field.

    Parker thankfully recognises his limitations so he'll win it and lay it off. But Gerrard...Barry was even worse against Norway (illustrating that Yaya can make anyone look great) and Henderson was no improvement. I was hoping that Lampard would come in cos he has shown great discipline alongside Mikel playing behind Mata since Di Matteo came in and switched Chelsea to a 4-2-3-1. Lampard looked to have finally gotten to the stage of his career when he realised age meant he couldn't be gut busting any more and he'd have to choose his moments and play smart. Would've been perfect to come into the team.

    Now he's gone.

    What are we left with?

    Genuinely worried about getting out of the group now.
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    He obviously excluded injured and/or irrelevant players, if not the most glaring omission would have been Smalling.
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    Shouldn't be. It simply won't happen. England won't beat France, won't win against a home supported Ukraine. Sweden, I see a typical draw. Early elimination with a point or two. This team isn't worth any more.
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    Right, so pretty much what I said. He doesn't want to be a sub, ergo, he wants to start.

    What am I missing?
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    I was more than willing to give Roy Hodgson my total support but I didn't expect he would make such baffling decisions, so soon. Injuries and suspensions haven't helped him but still he's had chances to be smart about it. There's still time to surprise us all in a good way but this isn't the most encouraging start from a supporter's perspective. Having a good tournament with this squad will test his managerial credentials to the limit.

    :nervous: This! Send out an SOS to Michael Carrick.
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    I think that needs to be looked at in context. Bevington is a spin doctor after all. Maybe Carrick was struggling with an injury at the time and he was being called up for a friendly and refused saying if he wasn't gonna be active he'd rather rest and recover? I'm not saying that's what happens but the story out of the F.A. has changed from initially Carrick said he didnt want to play to Carrick said he'd help out if need be and I've heard it rumoured that Carrick answered this way while he was trying to get over an achilles problem. Not cut and dry.
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    I take it you mean Downing?

    Or is it Henderson?

    :lol:

    Assuming you mean Jordan since you name midfielders:

    Spearing - no. Although I think he might actually be an asset against poorer teams because he does all the things a midfielder should well enough to keep things flowing smoothly (something England midfields tend to struggle with), he lacks the quality to give a proper performance at a higher level. Not to mention his bottom level is too low. And he is not really a holding midfielder.

    Shelvey I think has it in him to become an England midfielder when he grows up. Great talent and imo more talented than Jordan and more likely to develop his talent as well. The lad wants to go places. Not shy about taking charge and making full use of his ability to make things happen. If Jordan had some of that backbone and charisma, he'd be a much better player himself.

    At this moment in time, I'd pick Jordan though. He is more disciplined and tactically aware and more capable of doing a job he is asked to do. Just don't him to create chances himself. He's a bright lad. He just very much plays like a youngster a bit impressed at playing with the seniors who doesn't want to screw up. I suppose he still is in some ways, but he needs to grow up and be more willing to shoulder attacking responsibility.
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    That's not exactly a magnificent achievement, with the greatest of respect to Spearing and Shelvey. Its not like Henderson is showing signs of being the next Lothar Matteus. Henderson having better tactical awareness than two guys who are even more inexperienced at the highest level than he is doesn't really say that much does it?

    If that's your criteria for inclusion how is Henderson any more worthy to be in the England squad than say Leon Osman or Leon Britton. Both are every bit as able to carry out instructions and arguably more effective in possession than Henderson? You'd be better off calling up Adam Johnson from the backup list and using Milner as a central player. Its unlikely to make a significant difference since Henderson is probably not gonna set Poland and Ukraine alight.

    Henderon has wilted under the spotlight brought on by his price tag since joining Liverpool and I worry about how he'll deal with being thrown in at the deep end. I am surprised by his, and other inclusions, in this squad.

    I never bought the line that the England manager should've been appointed before the end of the season so they had time to properly scout out all the players but this 23 makes me feel actually that would've been for the best. This looks more like a Stuart Pearce patchwork quilt of big price tags than a serious squad.
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    He only wants to be in the squad if he's ever going to get on the pitch. I even provided the context for you.
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    Then you're interpreting it differently and ignoring the "sub" part of the comment. He's saying he wants to play or he'll sit out.

    You can't do that in international football. At this point it looks like an incredibly stupid decision for him to have made.
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    Someone asked which of the 3 I'd pick. I answered. I don't think he deserves the call-up on the form he has shown this season, though I am pleased for him. Think it will do him good.
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    There's no such thing as 18 in Euros, if you're in the squad you'll be on the bench at least because everyone who isn't in the first team is available from the bench.
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    Honestly? I think if he has a bad tournament his morale will be even lower going into next season than it was this season.

    Not that I care particular because I'm a United supporter. But as a Liverpool fan I thought you'd wanna protect him.

    If I were Roy and I had to use the standby list I'd call up Johnson and use the Ox and Milner as needs must replacements for Gerrard.
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    I figure he will be on the fringes either way. It won't be down to his performances no matter what happens.

    But he will be training for a full tournament with seasoned internationals (erm... Rooney anyway) and learning new stuff. And I figure that it will give him some belief that he can set his sights for winning an England place in the future. He has a good attitude in terms of professionalism. Wants to improve all the time. Just needs some more belief in himself and willingness to take responsibility. You can't be timid as a midfielder.
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    I had no idea Osman was English. The sad thing is I wouldn't be surprised if Roy thought the same!

    Anyway I'm not saying he should've been picked, rather that it's frustrating how the well-known names automatically get places, whether they deserve it or not.

    E.g. Downing over Scott Sinclair?
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    To be fair, Woy is the man that thought Paul Konchesky was a decent signing for Liverpool. The man is mid-table through and through.
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    Mid table is 2nd or 3rd in the group stages... I think we'll do well to get that.
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    He'd be mid-table if you compiled all the groups together into one big group.

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