Roy Hodgson | Appointed England Manager

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    Yeah, that's exactly what I thought when he took over at Fulham. Squad was shit for a couple of months. Can you guess what happened then?

    But, you're right. We're four games in. He's obviously a disaster.

    Where do you people come from?
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    So given Gerrard is clearly inept in your view, what advantage would it be pushing him further forward if he can't pass and just wanders about doing nothing?

    Surely his lack of passing ability and him wandering doing nothing would still be exposed. No?
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    I was thinking may be Miereles was played specifically to man-mark Scholes... when we have the ball..
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    peterstorey Specialist In Failure

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    To my mind he was Liverpool's best player and got through a lot of defensive work, he made 36 passes in the first half all successful.
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    Wrong, wrong, wrong. I never said he is inept as a player. I said he was in center midfield today. Plus he isn't suited to that role in a 2 man midfield. He should have been the one supporting Torres and either Meireles or Cole should have been partnering Poulsen.

    Did you understand a single thing I wrote? Seriously?


    I neerv said he lacks passing ability. Quit making things up. I said he gave the ball way repeatedly. A thing he almost always does when played that deep. He is not a player who dictates the tempo of a game ala Scholes. He keeps trying to force things rather than play patiently. Just like Lampard he is far more suited to playing further up the pitch behind lone striker. Where his passing style is less likely to get him into trouble.
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    Pogue Mahone Poster of the year 2008

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    How can he be "out of his depth"? He's managing at the exact same standard of football he was last season.

    It's not his fault he inherited an under-strength, de-motivated squad that sold one of their three remaining world class players in the summer. Liverpool's woes are all down to Benitez. It will take Woy a couple of dozen games (and another transfer window) to start to build a team he can call his own.
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    You said he offered nothing throughout, wandered about doing nothing and passed poorly. The logical question is, given how fundamental these flaws are, how would swapping him and Meireles have made any difference?
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    You're actually five games in...I really shouldn't have to point this out to you though. You do follow your own team don't you? I mean, it's probably safe to assume you're not a ******* supporter cause you hang around in a united forum but i'm assuming you watch your own team play ever week right? 5 games...I counted. I also happened to watch 4 of them, the 5th put me to sleep.

    And why are you comparing how Roy managed Fulham with how he's doing at Liverpool? I shouldn't have to tell you there is a gulf of class separating the two sides. Or have expectations dropped so low in the last 12 months?

    Also, I never called him a disaster. That was your word. I merely said he was out of his depth and honestly, I'm not taking the piss either. This is what I've heard your own support saying. More then a few actually said it before he even signed for your lot. You look at Roy's achievements in the last few years, and the man he replaced and you can tell there is a gulf in class in terms of what they have achieved. I'm not saying things to be sensational, merely restating what many of your own support are saying (don't believe me, just wander over to RAWK and have a look for yourself)

    Finally, it seems you missed the tenor of my post. I like Roy. I always have. I sincerely hope he remains manager of Liverpool FC for many, many years. I also think he's out of his depth...and he will end up finishing worse with liverpool this year then Rafa did in his last season. I think he will see Torres and Gerrard both leave the club before he is canned, and for a united supporter that prospect gives me immense joy.

    So there you. That's where I'm coming from (in answer to your question).
    Anything else? I'm here all night, celebrating our win.
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    You mean you still do not get it? You do understand that he is more suited to the role Meireles played today and Meireles is better suited to the role Gerard had today?


    It should be obvious that in supporting Torres, Gerard would have been free to go where he pleased with out needing to be positionally sound. On top of being the one person whose forceful passing would have benefited Torres the most. Being less likely to be cut out that far up the pitch

    As for Mereles, his better short passing ability would have been better suited to helping keep possession for Liverpool in midfield, whilst also supplying balls to the flanks and to a Gerard to lead fast breaks.

    Today Roy did the equivalent of playing a Xabi Alonso as Torres' support and Gerard as the deep lying playmaker.
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    I'm not saying it's Roys fault. I'm not assigning blame at all. I fully agree that Rafa was partially responsible for Liverpools woes last season, but that doesn't change the fact that Roy last job at a club where expectations are this high was 10 years ago with Inter, and he lasted 1 year there.

    Woys a good manager and from what I've seen a decent man, but he's in deep waters here. Time will tell how well he navigates them, but the initial assessment that he's out of his depth is not too far off the mark. His tactics for 2 big games were questionable. He may not have made good substitutions and we'll see how long it takes for him to get the best out of Torres.

    My point is, despite the KRAP campaign (and i admit, that was fun), Roy Hodgson isn't a patch on Rafa Benitez. His arrival has made Liverpool weaker (and I realize that's not his fault completely). But that's what's happened. Time will prove if I along with many others are right, and if Roy really does have it in him to remain Liverpool boss. I hope he does to be honest. As long as it's him I really don't think Liverpool have any chance of winning the title. At least with Rafa they came close.
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    One of Liverpool's biggest problems, which is a legacy of Benitez, is their lack of genuine wingers - someone with real pace, drive and ability to beat their man. Hodgson won't be able to fix that until January at the earliest, and probably not even then due to lack of funds.

    This means a lack of width, which often means slow, cumbersome build-ups through the centre, the lack of an easy outball to (or down) the flanks and an inability to get behind defences and stretch them.

    I feel a bit sorry for Hodgson. He's got no cash to spend and has inherited an unbalanced squad, one that is weaker than last season and which that lacks depth to boot. Still, he knew what he was getting into before he signed up.
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    The difference would have been to Torres. Gerrard and Torres link up well, they have played off each other and been at their best when Gerrard sits in behind Torres.

    Meireles is a new arrival and while I do think he had a good game I'm not sure he is completely in sync with Torres yet. Logic would suggest that a player like Meireles who has scores 5-8 goals a season on average and defends resolutely should play alongside Polsoun and Steven Gerrard who can give you 20 goals a season and has a rocket of a shot should play further up ahead with a striker with whom he's very familiar.

    Why this didn't happen, nobody knows.

    Why Meireles was taken off when it didn't look like he was tiring and Jovanich(sp?) was brought on is yet another mystery. How Maxi continues to get games despite looking like dross might be one of those riddles that will continue to stump football fans for ages. Finally you have to ask yourself why Agger is sitting on the bench, and Carra continues to play even though he's been a liability for years now.

    I would expect a liverpool fan to ask these questions of his manager. I mean, if you're really invested in your team that is. Like a real fan would be...
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    ... and they are lovely beyond any singing of it.
    They very nearly won the league without any wingers.
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    But he has Babel yet continues to ignore him.
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    Oh, shit, did I write 4 instead of 5. My God, what a fecking travesty. Totally undermines my point that his teams take a while to gel as the teams learns his system.

    Other than that, your points are ridiculous as you've made a rather lame judgment of a man who took over a team in shambles and is implementing a new system.
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    Yeah, but Babel isn't that good as a winger - not if you compare him to the equivalent players available to most of their top 6 rivals.
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    He wont become very good if he never gets playing time. It not like he lacks the talent. It's high time a Liverpool manger put some faith in him. He can't do worse than Maxi who is in the worst form of his professional life.
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    I'm not saying that a team can't do well without wingers, but I am saying that the current Liverpool squad probably won't do well without at least one pretty good winger.

    In the many of the games I've seen Liverpool play, going back for a fair while now, their lack of pacy width is fairly obvious.
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    What judgment? You're a complete fecking spastic aren't you? All I've said is he's in over his head. Have I condemned the man ? No...I'm saying what thousands of your own support said when they heard the news he was going to be appointed.

    Honestly...where the feck do you come from? How are you so out of tune with the sentiment of your fellow supporters? I'm not being sensationalist here. I'm not taking the piss. Saying Roy is out of his depth isn't my attempt to belittle the man. He's not at Fulham where you can get away with the second worst away record in the league. Where coming 10th constitutes a success. Where a draw away to Brum is seen as a good result.

    WTF is wrong with you? Seriously...

    Does a united fan need to tell a dipper on a manc forum what he should expected from the Manager of Liverpool football club? Has it really come to this? The world is at an end and nobody bothered to give me a memo...
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    I agree. See Nani.
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    You're probably right with this. Playing Babel will likely be better for them than not playing him.
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    Exactly. Roy needs to get Gerard back in his unrestricted role as partner to Torres, start Babel wide instead of Maxi , and play Meireles or Cole as the deep play maker alongside Poulsen. If he wants any significant improvements.
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    Spot on. The squad he has he mostly inherited. Rafa was the one who played without width and Hodgson is suffering now.
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    Wind your neck in.
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    Piss off, please...Thanks. :)
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    This.

    Roy Hodgson's tactical deficiencies were horribly exposed yesterday. Time & again we allowed United far too much time & space to put in numerous crosses. All of which contributed to the 3 goals conceded. Benitez had his faults. But not being able to snuff out the opposition strengths was not one of them.
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    They had Riera through that campaign.
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    Babel and Benayoun too.
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    That was nothing to do with tactics and everything to do with having a shit left-back.

    Benitez spent 5 years trying and failing to find a left back, so there's no real change there, apart from mascherano no longer being round to act as a one man back four.
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    Neither are wingers.
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    How exactly? Tactically?
    Though it has been completely off-mark considering the results. This is a significantly weaker liverpool side with a midfield that has got a lot of work to do. And the best area yesterday was their defence that still allowed 3 goals. that says something. However, as said in you other post Roy seems to be an interim solution and most pool fans seem to think so too. However, I won't count him off if he can get the players he need. If he can manage Fulham against us and in Europe, with time you can expect a fight for the title.
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    Our defence was a shambles yesterday with Konchesky an absolute liability. A defence who concedes 3 goals from crosses has not played well.

    The whole team lacked spirit. Tactics were strange. 3-2 flattered us.
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    Liverpool got 86 points with no wingers 18 months ago.

    Spurs won't get to 86 points in your lifetime unless they extend the PL to 56 teams. Then you might stand a chance.

    Wingers are a problem, but they aren't the problem.
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    As a United fan, the knee-jerk decision of a proportion of Liverpool (and some United) fans that Hodgson isn't up to the job worries me. 5 frigging games into his new job and they're deciding he's "out of his depth", despite the fact that the only shoes he's trying to fill belong to a fat Spanish waiter.

    Can't even begin to imagine how impossible a job faces Fergie's successor. He'll probably be deemed out of his depth at half-time of his first game in charge. Depressing.
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    A Liverpool coach should NEVER behave like one of Sir Alex Fergusons minions. I can understand why many Liverpool fans are upset about that.
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    The Liverpool fans who are claiming Hodgson is out of his depth are those who were against his appt in the first place. Utd fans are just stupid. :smirk:

    I will give the bloke time but yesterday wasn't good and the portents thus far aren't much better.
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    Your stance makes little sense to me, so happy to disagree with you here.

    Regarding Meireles, I have seen little of him play so don't really know what sort of player he'll be for Liverpool. Doesn't strike me as an Alonso type, but time will tell.
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    Pogue Mahone Poster of the year 2008

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    That doesn't matter. They're still twats for deciding that 5 games in charge is enough to confirm their preconceived notions that he's "out of his depth".

    Whoever takes over at United there will be a section of our fans who will be against his appointment. Believe it or not, though, fans don't always get this sort of thing right. Hence, it makes me despair that you're getting people saying I "told you so" this early in his career at his new club, without giving him anything like the time he needs to settle in as manager. It's ridiculous.
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    No arguments from me there.
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    On the day being the word. Was midfield or the strikers better or equal to the defence yesterday? It was a shambles of course, but my the point of the original statement was definitely not a praise.

    Konchesky proved to be a weak link despite some best efforts.

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