Discussion in 'General Forum' started by kanchelskis14, Sep 11, 2004.
Fuck off, you Scouse cunt
Yeah, Yeah, Johnny Foreigner JCL!
The only place I'm late, is in bed with your bird
As opposed to you
So that's where she keeps disapearing to!
Do me a favour and take her away for this forthcoming weekend, I am supposed to be taking her to Manchester with me for a long weekend and then Mondays game, It would be much better with just the lads! (and cheaper! )
I know you are, she's popping by my hotel Monday afternoon
You pay for her shopping and you have my blessing!
I don't think either should be replaced atm......but Giggs needs to take his time on the subs bench because invariably he's sensational for one game, and then crap for about five. He's either lost it, or else he has no motivation because he's virtually guaranteed a place.
As for Fergie, I really can't understand the attitude of people who say "Well look what he's done for us." Ffs, we know what he's done for us. There can't be a United supporter who doesn't appreciate it....but when a player no longer performs, he's shipped out. If a player is seen to have had his day, there is no loyalty or sentiment shown by supporters. Why did we get rid of Sparky then? He did a lot for us. Probably because you can't keep faith with those who no longer do the business.
I'm not suggesting that of Fergie, just questioning the logic. It is possible that with age etc. the abilities of a player, or a manager, diminishes.
Don't completely agree with first part, the rest is great and sums up my feelings exactly
Last season he won the FA cup, the season before the league, and all this whilst Arsenal are fielding a fantastic side. I think he is doing more than fine, we are supposedly in a transition period and we are still winning trophies, that will do for me.
Even AC Milan had a 'downhill' period in the late 90's. They couldn't qualify for CL and were knocked out from the UEFA Cup before reaching at least quarterfinals. They waited patiently, assembled awesome team within the space of 5 or 4 years and now they are one of best three sides in Europe.
Nothing annoys me more than the word transition.
We won the league two seasons ago. Transition at a club like Manchester United should be smooth.....face the fact that good management would ensure consistency, and a constant blend of young and older players. It is not good management to have to rebuild a team less than two years after winning a title.
I believe we've been strengthening the team - or that was the intention. If, on the other hand, the intention was to rebuild, I'd be extremely disappointed. If we are now in transition it's because the players we've bought have not been the right quality, but the team we have now, when all back and fully fit, could well turn out to be good enough to compete at the highest level. In which case, we have strengthened successfully, and are not in transition.
True that, last year was the first time in five years they'd won the Serie a and they won the champions league just 2 seasons ago. If we had to wait 5 years for the premiership and a european cup, it would be worth the wait.
You can call it what you like, transition or strengthening, but the facts are that over last few years and the next few years, many players have come and many will go, so the squad is definately changing.
Yes, the squad should change smoothly, and except for a biblical epidemic of injuries, I believe it is doing so. SAF has reinvented the team on a couple of occassions, with great success, I believe he is doing so again, because after all during these strengthening years, we are still winning trophies?
Blomqvist was a very important player during the treble winning season. Ok his injury prematurily ended his career with us but that doesnt mean that he wasnt a great player
He wasn't a great player
And he was no more than a back-up for us - NOT 'competition' for Giggs
He was great at Gothernburg, before his first injury. Then lost half a yard of pace.... and became very average.
He did very well during the 99 treble winning season and SAF constantly praised him for that. He was more than just a back up, he was a competitor, the only one who was able to put Giggsie on the ropes. No wonder why Giggs played so well during that season.
Blomquist was no more than average for us.
And he was no 'competitor' for Giggs. Giggs, Sir Alex, Blomquist, the UN and my Mum knew that Giggs would be picked ahead of Blomquist in any important game.
He was bought as a squad player, and used as a squad player.
that was uncalled for.i'm just posing a few reasonable questions.for instance,if a player losing form over a period of around 2 yrs doesn't warrant the suggestion that he could be replaced,then what does he have to do to be replaced?do we have a policy of,'once you prove yourself early at the club,you have a place secured for a decade?' because that is what it sounds like on here.
another point,i think we are all being too idealistic ad emotional in wanting all our legends to retire at the club.i mean,we are a team who wants to win the top prizes in domstic football. how many of such clubs have their first team ending their career with them. most top players end their careers at a mediocre club as they can no longer compete with the world's best. i am not saying that keane and giggs can no longer perform,i just feel they can no longer perform for US in light of the level we are competing on.
it took a whole team to reach maturity at the same time for us to win the treble. the great team we had over the last decade only won the cl once,and that was when most of the team were at their absolute best in their mid-20's,which is rare today.
we didn't win it the year after,or any other year since then,so what makes anyone think the same players who were around when we won it have anychance of winning it today?
why,you can't think of anyone better than giggs?
i am not exactly saying sack fergie either,all i am pointing out is that managers do get sacked in football,and i do honestly feel that no manager(or player) should be beyond having to constantly earn their keep,regardless of their reputation or how much repect they have amassed in the past.after all,we know that nobody will do it forever,it's just that i don't want us to realise at the time we finally part ways with fergie,i don't want us to realise that we should have done it 5 years ago,when we nmay be firmly established as a new liverpool.
and just to answer your questions,i think vicente,kewell,duff,downing,milner...or ronaldo,which can open the door for joaquin,sneijder,wilhelmsson,de ridder,robinho etc etc.
and i would like o see carlos replace fergie(whenever that may be)
You think Kewell, Downing and Milner are better than Ryan Giggs...
firstly,is that all you conviniently took from my post?
and secondly,i think kewell is better than giggs,and the rest all have considerable age advantages.infact,so does kewell.
You Scouse muppet!
What on earth has Kewell done to be considered better than Giggs? The same Kewell who's not performed any better than Giggs has the last 12 months, and the same Kewell who suffers from the same inconsistency as Giggs, but without the workrate.
So what if Mliner and Downing are younger than Giggs - Giggs is currently head and shoulers above them in terms of ability.
it really annoys me when you call me scouse if i ever say anything bad about united. kewell wasn't that bad last year at all,and scored quite a few goals from midfield,under a houllier regime that had him on the right,the left and middle.
i have thought kewell is better since he was at leeds,infact,i though kewell was the most individually talented attacker in the league at a point.
but for the sake of your arguments,in which you keep selecting snippets from my posts to reply,or two names on a list of 5 or 6,ignoring the main point of the argument,let's say i agree that kewell is crap as are downing and milner.
what of the other names on the list,or the other part on the manager?
i am assuming that you agree that the other players on the list are better than giggs,and you also agree with my assessment on the manegerial situation. hence,your question has still been answered.
YOU SCOUSE BASTARD
Kewell in the past 12 months was shite.
I don't call you a Scouse muppet because you say 'something bad' about United, Flight, I call you a Scouse muppet because you are one.
Seeing as you already post on Liverpool forums as a Liverpool fan, you well know the general opinion of Liverpool fans when it comes to Kewell; he's not performed there yet.
As for the other names; you are a typical fantasy football muppet, who just list a number of fancy names. Who says they want to come to United? Who says their clubs will let them go? Who says we are interested? It's easy to sign players in Fantasy Football. It's not in real life.
I think Giggs is among the best left wingers in the world. Whether he is THE best doesn't really interest me.
My opinion on the Manager is that he's earned the right to go whenever he wants. If he stays for another ten years, and we're not successful, he's eanred that right.
actually,i have never been to liverpool let alone hail from there. so now do you not seem stupid,if not slightly mad to call me scouse in large capital letters?
Sack Fergie, sell Giggs
It's what Liverpool fans will be called on here, no matter where they're from.
Just like other call me a Manc, although I'm not even English.
Do you Understand, you Scouse twat?
Well I guess you had already found my successor
Then you are a poor quality WUM, a total knob head, or my guess is that you are both.
judging by the stupidity of the above post,i think this may well be my last reply. how exactly do you work out that i am not only scouse,but now i post on liverpool forums?!okay! and i suppose you are convinced because someone you saw looked like me on there? idiot,you can't actually see who is posting on a forum,and i am sure there is not a kanchelskis14 on the liverpool forum.
all the stuff about fantasy football is crap too.just a cop out argument.
firstly,milner,downing and wilhelmsson are not big-name players. actually giggs is bigger. secondly,the others are big name players because they are good players.
frankly,your post is reasonable from the point in which you star talking sense. i just don't understand why you have to engage in some childish name-calling game before you actually analysethe football.read my posts,i have called you no names,just posed a few questions.
as for the bit about fergie,what a sensible argument that is! fergie has won loads,so if we are shit for 10 years,he should have no pressure? who is that helping? who exactly do you support,the football club or the manager?
i suppose keane and giggs have earned their first-team place for as long s they want it too?
Fuck off you illiterate, lying Maltese mong
i hate this term and i hate the term transition too..i used it last year but to have 2 transition years for a club as massive club as united is ridiculous
Thank fuck for that
Now piss off to you Liverpool foras, Flight
Get a life, flight.
Are you not happy with continuous trophy winning years? That is what our last two seasons have provided.
Do you wan't more than that? whilst bringing in the best 2 youngsters in the world, not to mention the introduction of other great new players and promising youngsters??
We have only played 5 league games, What exactly do you expect from Man.Utd, a wake up call and a full cooked breakfast?
actually i am a united fan(lifelong) with a clear eyesight. above anything,i want success for the club,and couldn't care who delivers it. if we are underperforming,then i look at the culprits and expect something to be done about it.
it bemuses me how i am constantly critisised on here by fans who are supposed to want the same things as me,success for united.however,when we discuss the futures of underperforming members of staff,it is so wrong. why?
i am not here to wind anybody up,but i would have hoped to find more honest united fans on here to be honest.it seems as if all the accurate assessments of united come from rival fans and neutrals,while our own fans have a dismissive attitude and take it for granted that everything will just suddenly change without changes actually being made.
simply go back and read your posts, start with the last one, it as poor as any others.
Separate names with a comma.