Second tier legends

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    bsc Full Member

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    A quote I read from Giovanni Trapattoni on Del Piero yesterday...

    "Del Piero is not Maradona or Pelé, but he is on the level of greats like Eusébio, Sívori, and Cruyff"

    I think it's a fair enough comment. Obviously Pele and Maradona stand alone. (Although, personally I'd also put Di Stefano in the top bracket).

    Let's leave the current world's best, who are still creating their legacy, like Messi and Ronaldo out of the debate please.

    So, which former player, or those currently in their twilight, would you say could make a legitimate claim to be in the second tier of greats.

    I'll start with Franco Baresi. :)
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    I always think of Giggs when trying to compare to Del Piero.

    I see a fair few similarities in terms of club loyalty, era, passion etc.
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    Not for me, sorry.

    Lothar Herbert Matthaus on the other hand. ;)
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    Randall Flagg Worst of the best

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    Brwned Have you ever been in love before?

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    From the last 10 years; Xaviesta, Ronaldo, Ronaldo II, Zidane and Ronaldinho?
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    ArmchairCritic You got pets me too mines are dead

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    Yeah Giggs, Zanetti, Seedorf and Scholes too from currently active players, purely on the basis of longetivity. It's incredible these players can still play at such a high level, Zanetti in particular as a full-back.
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    Cruyff was a much better player than Del Piero - he's been a good player and a great servant to his club but he only really had a few years at the very top - Cruyff was in one of the greatest sides ever at Ajax - they swept all before them.

    Don't think Del Piero is in that class.

    For me - out on their own: Pele and Maradona. Then top level: Zidane, Fat Ronaldo, Ronaldinho and Maldini are those that spring to mind.
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    I agree Cruyff is on a par with Pele at least.
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    Brwned Have you ever been in love before?

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    Not so sure about any of them; none of them had the peaks that those 6 did, nor those in the OP. Undoubtedly legends of the game but you'd have to have a feckload of second-tier legends to squeeze Seedorf in there I reckon. It'll be interesting to see how Giggs' legend grows as the years go by, he could well be up there.

    Is Del Piero really at the level of Cruyff or Eusebio anyway? Think today's the first time I've heard of Sivori, but if he's called the Maradona of the 60s he can't be half-bad either. Trappatoni'd know as well as anyone given he played against Eusebio but I think he might be being a bit generous.
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    Agree with who? No-one else has said that! ;)
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    I agree.
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    IMO

    1st tier

    Pele, Maradona

    2nd Tier

    Cryuff, Charlton, Zidane, Messi, Ronaldo, C Ronaldo

    3rd Tier

    Del Piero, Scholes, Giggs, Maldini

    That is obviously not an exhaustive list just what came to mind as examples of levels
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    Platini, Henry, Zico, Michael Laudrup, Romario, Mattheus, Van Basten, Baggio, Maldini, Zidane, Seedorf, Scholes
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    The thing is although none of them had a ridiculous peak like Ronaldinho, none of them have faded to such an extent either, they're still influencing their teams and helping them win titles.
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    Who really cares? Does anyone else find this constant comparing of players in a who's better debate cringe worthy, I mean you look on Youtube, never mind here, and all you see on video comments is people comparing which music artist, guitarist or sports hero is better and getting all steamed up on it. Been guilty of it myself on here in the past (with the obvious two players I think), just feels like a waste of time.

    Can't we just say that Del Piero will be remember as a top legendary player of football and a legend at a big club in Juventus, talk about his plus points and leave it at that? No need to take pot shots. A top top player in my eyes, very similar to Rooney, Zola, Bergkamp or even Cantona is ways. Certainly the first two in terms of pace and movement style.
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    ArmchairCritic You got pets me too mines are dead

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    I agree somewhat but it's always interesting to gauge other people's opinions.
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    Del Piero isn't on the level of Cruyff and Euesbio.
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    SittingBull That's great and all, but what is Sergio Canales u

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    Totally agree... No way Giggs are second tier talents.
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    I'd put Cristiano Ronaldo and Messi certainly in the first tier, and wouldn't put Zidane a tier above Scholes
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    George Best is in the top tier for me, but maybe I'm biased.
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    Michael Laudrup is definately in the second tier for me. Schmeichel is in with a shout as well. Nedved was fantastic as well, but he'll probably fit better in a "3rd tier".
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    George Best is top tier without a doubt. I read somewhere his club faced Pele's and he twisted Pele 2 or 3 times in a row. If messi or ronaldo did that to each other now they would be known as the greatest ffs.
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    I think it's a bit ridiculous to compare players in different positions, let alone in different positions and in different eras. Could be I'm becoming a grumpy old feck though.
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    Scholes is defiantly in tier 2. He plays the game on a different level to all but a very select few over the last 15 years.
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    Surely top tier players have to dominate world football during their eras wherever they've been

    For that reason we should be putting the Ronaldos, Zidanes, Maldinis in the same breath as Pele and Maradona.

    In fact I'd stick my neck on the line in saying Ronaldo is the greatest striker I've ever seen
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    Jimy_Hills_Chin Desperately wants to be ITK

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    I think that C Ronaldo and Messi in particular have a good chance at being top tier when all is said and done but all is not said and done, so I reserve my judgement on that for now.

    Scholes is my favourite ever player but there is no way that I can rank him along side Zidane. Although the skill sets are comparable, Zidane had the knack of pulling out his greatest performances for the very biggest stage.
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    I think Zidane and Scholes can be compared very easily I wouldn't like to say who was the best out of the 2 as it's that close, I don't go in for all this win a world cup bull shit as a lot of that depends on the team. Scholes himself has often stood up when it's really mattered in the big games for Man United, Barca CL semi, performance in CL final v Chelsea, FA Cup final goal, FA Semi winner v Arsenal, equaliser at san siro against Inter just a few of his huge moments on the big stage.
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    Scholes definitely is on par with Zidane. if so many great midfielders have said Scholes is the level they aim to be and one of the greatest who are we to say he doesnt belong in the top or second tier. Call me feckface but international players from outside of our club are VERY overrated when you compare them to our players.
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    Not gonna lie.....if Cryuff isn't on the top tier, then there isn't a top tier....he might have the juiced stats, but his influence on the game as a whole is far far superior to pele, maradona and others, and well let's be honest, he did have the stats, just not the world cup.
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    take a look at his honours on wiki. Blimey!
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    Jimy_Hills_Chin Desperately wants to be ITK

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    That is a fair point. I think that his two World Cup loser medals cloud most people perceptions about his achievements. His achievements at club level and his influence on the sport as a whole is superior to Maradona and Pele.

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