Sell me the Glazers: Positive Arguments for Glazer ownership

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  1. Jun 8, 2019

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    Rio Ferdinand
    Wayne Rooney
    Scholes
    Giggs
    Cristiano Ronaldo
    Ruud Van Nistelrooy

    5 of those players carried United for years after. The core of the CL winning squad was already there.

    Now we have maybe two players worthy of being mentioned in the same sentence as them.
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    The only thing I want from United owners is ambition. Barca and Real owners don't tolerate the mediocrity we endure. When we sold Ronaldo and Tevez as the best team in the world, we replaced them with Michael Owen and Valencia. Barca or Real would never have that. We have spent lots of money though post-fergie. I don't know. I just don't think the Glazers really give damn whether we are succesfull on the pitch or not. We need a world class manager that much is apparent and now we are going to go into another few years of wilderness with OGS who I hope is a success, but he isn't proven at all on this level and was a disaster in the 2nd part of his tenure last season.
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    You don’t need to think about it at all - they don’t give a damn about anything other than money....specifically money in their pocket.
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    Sell me a dog turd in my breakfast
    Sell me an incurable disease
    Sell me a season ticket to the Kop
    Sell me the Glazers
  5. Jun 9, 2019

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    Is this thread some kind of joke? If anyone can name something positive that 'they' have done since taking over, i'm all ears. An absolute cancer to the club.
  6. Jun 11, 2019 at 00:13

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    As a fan you would hate them. But anyone in their shoes who was not a football man would do exactly the same in business your init to make money and increase your profits. Glazers are not football fans or care about the fan. They business people. They will eventually sell when the time is right and when the right offer is made to them. So far the right offer not came in from the right buyer.
  7. Jun 11, 2019 at 07:43

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    Translation: You want them to spend even more money. Just say it as it is mate.

    I agree with @zizi , the Glazers aren't that bad at all and their biggest flaw is that they don't seem to have a closer eye on Woodward. Anyone complaining at the money spent should just be clear that they want a sugar daddy, and be done with it.
  8. Jun 11, 2019 at 08:32

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    Or how about just spending our own fecking money? The Glazers have cost us over 1 billion since the takeover and we still have large debts that were not there before.

    You know that the money the Glazers ”””spend””” is money that we have generated, right? They’re not giving it to us. Someone took over our house and is giving us an allowance of our own money.
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    You don't care about any of that, and you know it. You care about how much has been spent and the amount of success that has come with it. Everything else is window dressing.
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    This is such a strange argument. Aren't most owners spending the money their club earned rather than their own personal funds? Aren't most owners taking a healthy dividend out of the club? Its definitely a thing of percentages, the Glazers should take less and spend more for sure, but the general model of investment is the same for most teams.
  11. Jun 11, 2019 at 08:45

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    They're not state actors and -as of yet- haven't disgraced the club via any #MeToo shennaniganations.
  12. Jun 12, 2019 at 16:14

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    True, I want them to spend silly money on the best talents out there.
  13. Jun 13, 2019 at 13:36

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    The Glazers are a parasite on this club. Their leveraged takeover masterminded by Edward Woodward lumped the club with £750m debt.

    Since they’ve joined they’ve taken net £1Bn out of the club, that would pay for a fine squad and some leftover for stadium renovations.

    They run the club like a business, announcing financial partnerships as though we should be excited by our new tractor or noodle partners. Seriously? Where is the investment in squad and infrastructure, where is the best in class director of football and academy?

    Down the road city have had a billion put in, we’ve had it taken out. That’s the difference. We don’t need a billionaire owner, we just need to have the clubs revenue go back into the club, not to the parasitic owners/shareholders.

    Bring back the green and gold.
  14. Jun 13, 2019 at 14:09

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    Exactly. Some people will say ”oh it’s over a long period of time so 1 billion isn’t too bad”, but that’s rubbish. A well built squad can lay the foundations for a decade of success.

    Remove 1 billion worth of transfers from any club from 2005 up until now and the results would be disastrous. Remove Real Madrid’s 2009-2014 transfer windows and tell me where they would be today.

    They would be around our level.
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    How can a United fan "not care" that the club has paid 1 billion pounds in debt? That money could've been invested in players, youth setup, ground improvements etc.
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    Agreed.
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    They give the Manager(s) more than enough money to do the job they are paid handsomely to do, and they don't interfere. What more do you want?
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    Sky1981 Fending off the urge

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    They did give a damn. Which is why they spent.

    The meant well, but sometimes shit happens. You really cant expect them to know sanchez di maria and all the big names will become crock. You really cant. The best they can do is provide the funds.

    Even the best run teams in the world made wrong purchases, spurs got theirs right lately doesnt make levy a good owner
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    Think the only owner that gives the manager what he want is city owners and PSG owners. The rest work off a budget. The Glazer`s have taken more then a £1B out of the club. They the biggest Parasite at the club.

    If the government had not block Rupert Murdoch 600m takeover in 1999. We might of never been in this free fall at least his takeover was not debt placed on the club. The Glazer`s have just borrowed the money with high interest and placed the club as leverage.

    And making the club pay the money of from it profits. They do not lose out on anything if the debt are not paid. There risk free gamble has paid of so far and made them a lot of money.


    The day they sell up would be the best transfer news for all Man Utd fans. The Tampa Bay Buccaneers free fall should set alarm bell ringing for Utd. They luck that in us sports there no such thing as been relegated. The word relegated does not exist in Us sport.


    Jose asked for Defenders last summer they refused Pep asked and got the money until he got the right player and look where city are and where we are should tell you all you need to know.
  20. Jun 16, 2019 at 12:49

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    Absolutely unbelievable that some still believe this
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    Every season that the team doesn’t live up to experience expectations, this comes about and the grass is always greener on the other side. United needs to be more like Arsenal and find those hidden gems like Arsene did, more like Chelsea and ruthless shifting out our dead wood, more like Barcelona and build from the academy and stop buying players, more like Madrid and get those galaticos, more like Bayern and learn to pillage our domestic rivals, more like City and have that structure in place, etc.

    The reality is that the Glazers aren’t great owners, but they are far from the worst. Hull, Blackburn, Rangers, Portsmouth, those are some bad owners. Chelsea is a vanity project for an Oligarch. We’re an investment from Americans just like Arsenal. PSG and City are PR projects from oil rich nation states. Real is Real and Barca are Barca.

    There’s no question the leveraged buyout takes money out of the club. The issue is that I think people, like MUST, just assume:

    It would not have not only have been re-invested by highly competent people who run the club, but invested properly and effectively. That’s the crux of the issue, under the Glazers the club has invested in the team, but it’s been arguably invested poorly, but we’ve also been unlucky too. When you look back on the players we bought and how we felt at time, the managers - hindsight is 20/20 but LvG and Mourinho were proven winners, it’s a bit disheartening how it all went pear shaped.

    I am incredibly fearful of the “some new owner, any new owner would be better than the Glazers” sentiment. That’s just wrong, a bad owner can ruin the club completely. People say the Glazers ruined us, but Hicks and Gillett nearly had ‘Pool staring down administrators, god bless ‘em. FSG came in and believe me, look at how ‘Pool supporters thought of their ownership pre-Suarez, post-Suarez, and now after Klopp. It’s a roller-coaster. This idea of benevolent owners who only care about the performance on the pitch is pretty much pie in the sky thinking, IMO.
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    Murdoch was saved from himself, as a last resort Sky Sports literally saved him from going under, do you seriously think 100's of 1000's of City, Liverpool, Chelsea, Arsenal fans would have continued paying their monthly subscriptions knowing that a healthy % of that money would have gone to improving United's squad?

    .......

    .......

    If Pep had asked for the defenders Mourinho wanted he would probably have been refused as well, and if Mourinho had asked for the defenders Pep wanted(and got) there's a good possibility Ed Woodward would've agreed to the transfers with the exception of Mendy, that would have been dependent on Mourinho moving Luke Shaw out first, and rightly so.

    You do realise Mourinho asked for targets he knew the club would refuse don't you?
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    WR10 Correctly predicted France to win World Cup 2018

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    Any understanding of finance would answer this pretty quickly. How we have remained a financial powerhouse with how useless a football club we have become is phenomenal.
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    Ken Dodd missed a trick, he should have hired somebody like you as his accountant :lol:
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    The club is more than a manager. Its on their head its a shambles
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    Not sure how you can say that a club who for the first time in it's history can compete wage/fee wise for practically every player on the planet is a shambles, but each to their own I guess.
  27. Jun 16, 2019 at 20:33

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    What are you even talking about?

    2004: Most valuable club in the world.

    https://www.forbes.com/2004/03/24/soccerland.html#5041fc7c79ad

    2004: Highest revenue in the world.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deloitte_Football_Money_League#2004

    2002: Lowest wage-to-turnover in the Premier League by a significant margin (this is a good thing). At only 38% there was plenty of money to throw around.

    https://www.theguardian.com/football/2002/mar/05/sport.comment
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    And your point is?

    8 Premier League titles in 11 seasons and we were near to, or being the most valuable club with the highest revenue. Shock bloody horror.

    I'm guessing you've forgot that on numerous occasions during that run we were outbid on transfer fees and wages by fecking Blackburn Rovers, Leeds United and Newcastle United, and also half way through that run our skipper Roy Keane asked to leave(and he would've done if SAF hadn't gone in to bat for him) because he knew he could get double/treble what he was getting at Old Trafford elsewhere, that and we didn't have a cat in hells chance of acquiring the very best players in Europe at the time because we refused to match their wages despite the money being available(those bloody Glazers and Ed Woodward have a lot to answer for) - and that's before Chelsea and then City came to up the ante and put us even further behind despite us still winning trophies.

    Yet now in 2019 after 6 shall we say quiet years we can not only compete on transfer fees and wages with everybody in England, we can blow all but Real Madrid, Barcelona and PSG(who all play by different rules)out of the water on transfer fees and wages in Europe.
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    There was nothing ”near” about it. We were on top. For many years.

    And that worked out well for them?

    We weren’t a Galactico club. Worked out pretty well for us anyway. 3 CL finals in 4 years at the end too.

    The one time we tried to sign a galactico it failed pretty bad (Veron). We used to be the kings of signing very promising young players who spent their entire peak with us. Since Fergie retired we’ve signed half a dozen ageing Verons already.

    And that has worked out well for us?

    Money does no good if you spend it poorly. There’s smart money and there’s dumb money. If the Glazers want to buy smart they first need to get rid of Woodward.
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    • You'd expect that anyway even without all the success
    • They dared to dream, two of them won the League and Newcastle got their highest League placing for 50+ years, so yeah i'd say it worked out for them
    • Would SAF survive now if after the most successful run of any English team(shared with Liverpool)8/11 Leagues he only won the FA and League Cup in the next four years. Probably not.
    • SAF had the security of knowing he had the time to phase promising youngsters in, something those that followed him didn't have.
    • Why would the Glazers get rid of him, it's the Managers that spend the money not Ed Woodward
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    • Biggest in England maybe, not in Europe. Big difference considering the Premier League couldn’t compete with Serie A. No way United would be worth more than Real Madrid and Juventus without SAF and his success.
    • Leeds are still being used as an example in business schools of how to absolutely not do things. It’s like selling your house to buy a Ferrari that you can’t afford to maintain.
    • What are you even trying to imply here. That he deserved to get sacked for running into 2 of the greatest PL teams ever assembled? Were you one of those calling for his head back then? That explains a lot.
    • I suppose Mourinho personally sat down with Sanchez and negotiated his contract too? Everyone knows Mourinho loves his old dinosaurs and loves to ship away De Bruynes and Salahs for peanuts. If Ed didn’t know, that’s just incompetent. Just because a manager wants someone (in an unneeded position no less) doesn’t mean you have to don your Father Christmas outfit and make an era-defining mistake by letting your old drinking buddy from university negotiate a deal that will be mocked for decades. It’s worse than Andy Carroll.
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    No. In fact I think we might be the only team in the Premier League who pay dividends.
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    They increase the marketing value of the club. Manchester United is a global brand recognized in every single country in the world. Players will always want to come here because of the exposure their social medias will receive.

    That's the only positive that can be said.
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    We already were before the Glazers. That’s when we actually built our global fanbase, partly by actively cultivating it in Asia. We were the first club in Europe to really care about building our brand outside of Europe. That’s the type of forward thinking I would never associate with the current board. We were one of the last PL clubs to get Twitter (3 years after Liverpool for example) and had an ancient website for years before it was finally modernized around 2017.

    Here’s a photo of The Queen when she signed a Manchester United football held by Malaysian Manchester United Football Club supporters in the Suria KLCC shopping centre in Kuala Lumpur in 1998. Sir Bobby Charlton was also present to greet her.


    [​IMG]
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    This bit really annoys me by people that defend the Glazers. We only got a YouTube channel a year ago, Twitter was set up very late, the website still looks out of date in my opinion. And the Glazers are meant to be commercial specialist? That is absolutely mental. The Glazers if anything lack foresight on the commercial side. The Premier League interest has grown massively in the last 10 years, there has been substantial organic growth just from that.
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    There's no fecking money in this shit.
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    The fact that a Manchester United fan could go online trying to engage with our official channels in 2012, and find that we had no YouTube or Twitter is just mental. That was not normal for a major franchise in 2012.

    Meanwhile Liverpool set up their YouTube channel in 2005.
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    If you believe that then I hope you don’t run a business.
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    No, there is a return on investment when you're a start up or relatively new product to the market and you want a high level of exposure at minimal costs or you produce a product whereby you rely on that exposure for brand awareness (see cars, cosmetics, jewellery etc)... IE: disposable items. These streams work far better for kit and boot providers than then clubs themselves.

    When you're an established brand and your product is entertainment on a football pitch, your revenue is generated in an entirely different way to consumer products whereby these streams are pointless considering there is already x amount of youtubers who already create content of your product for you at no cost to you. In affect, these avenues do not become advertisement or money making streams for a product/brand like Manchester United but simply communication tools from the club to fans.

    Sorry, but I hope you get a better understanding of the micro and macro forces that affect product marketing before you waffle on about how I have no idea of the benefit of these marketing streams.
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    • Are you sure? We've been shite for 6 years now apparently, and Real Madrid have just won three Champions Leagues in a row, and Juventus have been given Serie A for God knows how long, and yet we're still right up there with them.
    • Ah Leeds United my happy place when i'm feeling blue - Kenyon should have been strung up for giving them £30m for Rio
    • The only Manager i've wanted sacked in the last 50 years is Jose Mourinho, hope that answers your question.
    • Of course Mourinho would have had a say on Alexis's wages, as he would've done if there was a fee involved, it's stupid to think otherwise.
    • Everybody at the club knew what Mourinho was like, but Ed's problem is he listens far too much to the spoiled little princesses amongst our fan-base.