Shall we bring the U20 squad to Russia???

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    We need an rvn Full Member

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    So, watching yet another poor performance from England and with obviously zero chance of us winning in Russia is there an argument of "writing off" the World Cup and instead bring a number of players from the U20 world cup winning squad with us?

    Time and time again we go to tournaments with a squad of failures. We have two teams, U20 who won the world cup and U19 who won the Euro's, who played without fear and enthusiasm and won.

    Is it time perhaps we did what Germany did a number of years ago and brought a squad of young players and dropped ones that wouldn't be around in 4 years time? Or like they just did again with the confederations cup.

    I'd still keep the likes of Kane / Alli / Dier / Rashford / Stones who have a long future ahead- but instead replace older players like Defoe, Hart, that liverpool waste of space midfielder whose name I don't even want to say etc with players like Winks, Solanke and a few of the other outstanding players from that U20 squad.
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    Kostur Full Member

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    Yeah, bring them in and burn them early with a failure, what can go wrong.
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    Keeps It tidy Hates Messi

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    So you guys can ruin them early.
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    As an Irish Man Utd supporter I am all for this.
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    AgentP Full Member

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    Sounds very impractical. Four years is too long a period for such an experiment. The Euros will be more ideal for trying something like this.
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    DannyCAFC Full Member

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    Winks wasn't in either squad.

    Who else apart from Solanke from those two teams would you bring then?

    Calvert-Lewin?
    Lewis Cook?
    Onomah?
    Sessegnon?
    Lookman?

    No thanks. Silly idea.
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    Keeps It tidy Hates Messi

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    And Defoe probably will not make the squad and would barely play if he did. And Hart might lose his job to Butland anyway.
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    Damien Self-Aware RedCafe Database (and Admin) Staff

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    Spain and Germany are great at introducing younger players to the full squad, though the players they introduce play club football.

    Winks wasn't in the U20 squad and those who were actually in the U20 squad don't play at a high level. Chucking them in could be disastrous.

    If you look at the Confed Cup Germany squad, they all play for their clubs. From the <22 players, Goretzka, Sule, Werner and Sane are pretty much nailed on for the World Cup now. Surely you must realise there's a difference between introducing players like those to the full squad and introducing players who barely play for their club team like Solanke, Lewis Cook, Onomah etc.
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    do.ob Full Member

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    Are you refering to the 2010 WC squad of Germany, OP? That's not at all what happened there.
    Löw did indeed bring a couple of old players - Butt, Friedrich, Klose, Cacau and Ballack as well if he would not have been injured.
    The young players simply were the best options for the tournament, they earned their spots based on their performances (the previous generation being weak also helped in that regard) and not because of some bigger agenda.

    For England it's completely different, since the kids usually don't get to play much for their clubs.
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    KM I’m afraid I just blue myself Staff

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    It's not that simple. Germany can do this because their clubs actually bother to play with their youngsters, that simply doesn't happen in English clubs. They prefer to play plodders instead of youngsters or in cases of Big6(except of Spurs perhaps) just buy instead of giving chances to youth.
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    DWelbz19 Correctly predicted Portugal to win Euro 2016

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    Pfft. Let’s bring the U17s instead.
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    Damien Self-Aware RedCafe Database (and Admin) Staff

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    I think there's a decent chance England's very talented young players will go abroad to play more - like with Sancho.
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    Sarni nice guy, unassuming, objective United fan.

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    Yeah just ditch the players who got you there and randomly send young players who have barely played international football at senior level to compete with the best teams in the world. Basically repeat Walcott 2006 mistake only this time don't just stop at one player who won't feature anyway, bring EVERYBODY.
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    Classical Mechanic Full Member

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    Well, someone will have to feature.
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    Why? Kids from big nations usually don't feel the need to leave their country early on and why would continental clubs pay PL-prices and wages when they can (in most cases) just as well go shopping in France or some place else.
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    Too much extremes in this thread.

    Obvioualy you cannot take whole young squads but No reason why England cannot take loftis cheek, Harry winks etc.. ahead of other older midfielders like drink water,Livermore etc..

    Or cannot take Tammy Abraham ahead of whatever backup to Kane and rashford's they take.
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    Damien Self-Aware RedCafe Database (and Admin) Staff

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    To play more and experience different cultures. Doesn't have to be a top league. Chris Willock left Arsenal to go to Benfica. He's not played for their first team yet but he's experiencing different things which'll benefit him in the long run.

    Continental clubs wouldn't have to pay PL prices and wages if the players in question are towards the end of their contracts. Willock left on a free, Angel Gomes hasn't signed his first professional contract yet and if he doesn't that'll be another cheap signing for a continental club.
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    SkeppyRed Lineups Game Winner 2012/13

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    Don't be fooled, the u20 group is nothing special either.
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    Sarni nice guy, unassuming, objective United fan.

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    Yeah that's why I said don't stop at one Walcott who doesn't play but bring 23 players who will.
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    If someone is playing regularly, is likely to start and can compete at that level (like Rashford), then take them. Otherwise no. A lot of these players would be better off going to the U21 tournament, so they can play together as a group amongst their peers and develop at a natural pace.
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    do.ob Full Member

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    Good point, but that doesn't seem to be a big problem for clubs, so I don't think it'll be one for English clubs either. After all a kid would potentiall have to turn down a lot of money and leave his home country the chance of maybe playing a bit more/earlier a few years down the line.
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    Keeps It tidy Hates Messi

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    I do not know how you can spin him not playing for Benfica as a positive.
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    Sassy Colin Death or the gladioli!

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    This, otherwise they'd already be in the senior squad, see Rashford, Ali (debut aged 19). Also, e.g. Rooney/Owen.
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    Or how about you try to create the best team possible of the available English players regardless of age?
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    Completely agree. Also watch us get battered by every country in our group.

    I agree our starting 11 is cack but sending kids who havent even broken into their first team to the worlds biggest tournament with the worlds eyes on them seems like one bad idea
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    limerickcitykid There once was a kid from Toronto...

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    Because Benfica B is already a much higher standard of play than the u23s league and he'll be a lot closer to getting into Benfica's first team than Arsenal were ever going to give him.
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    MoskvaRed Full Member

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    This sounds like a more sophisticated variation of "let's pick some lads from the Championship because at least they will show some passion".

    England will limp to an early exit next summer whatever they do. Destroying the confidence of a group of young players in the process sounds like making a bad situation worse.
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    You absolutely should :drool:
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    Keeps It tidy Hates Messi

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    Even without making a ton of changes England will probably be one of the younger sides in the tournament. I think Cahill and Hart will the be the only 30+ year old starters and Hart could lose his job to Butland and Cahill might get benched so England could play Jones and Stones together. And one of Loftus-Cheek or Winks will probably make the 23 man squad maybe both.