Should the PL introduce a Sin Bin?

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    Offsideagain Full Member

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    There seems to be an upsurge in the number of players being pulled back when they are on a break. United players do it too and the ‘taking one for the team’ makes a mockery of the laws. It’s a yellow card offence unless a clear goal scoring opportunity is prevented.
    Sin bins were introduced in both codes of Rugby although you virtually have to mame someone in League to get a sin bin. I bet if a player got ten minutes in the bin for pulling back, it would stop. Perhaps introduce it for diving too. Yellow card AND ten minutes in the bin would make them think. Probably need a proper VAR to police it though.

    What do you lot think.
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    Frank Grimes Full Member

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    I think it could work but would surely have to be a FIFA implemented law and not a PL initiative.
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    haram Full Member

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    10 minutes is too long. 5 minutes maybe. There are teams that press higher up the pitch who just foul their way out of trouble with little concequences.
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    Kostur Full Member

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    Sin bin eh? Sounds like Liverpool.
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    breakout67 Full Member

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    No it doesn't, thats the way the laws are interpreted. If you think the law needs to be rewritten then propose that instead of a sin bin.
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    Er, and how would you rewrite a law that says pulling back a player is a yellow card without increasing the sanction? Red card? You, with respect, have missed the point which is to make the punishment fit the crime. Making pulling back a sin bin offence is rewriting the Law and will make players think (if they can think) about cheating as in diving.
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    I was thinking of posting something similar after the Everton game. Seems like its become a standard tactic to defend a counter attack, to just take the player out. We do it too. With 3 in midfield you effectively have 3 free attempts before it costs you anything. It ruins what is often one of the most exciting plays of a football game.
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    Skills Snitch

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    You would just see more diving IMO. Forwards diving to get a defender off the pitch for 10 minutes would be worth the risk.
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    No I haven't missed the point. This idea that the punishment does not fit the crime is unfounded because the punishment does indeed fit the crime as per the rules. The laws of the game are being applied correctly so they are not being made a mockery of.

    A sin bin is introducing a completely new mechanic to the game, it is not simply a rule change it changes what football is fundamentally by taking out players from the game.

    I am not against sin bins in general but applying it to a situation where the rules are well known makes very little sense. Sin bins for decisions where the referee is not sure that a red card is fair may be a good idea. But, Sin bins because you don't like players stopping counter attacks is a bad idea in my opinion, because there is no rule breaking going on so long as they player attempts to get near the ball.
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    KirkDuyt Full Member

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    They should introduce a sin bin for pundits if you ask me. That would be fecking hilarious. Alright that's it Graeme, feck off in to the bin for 5 minutes, you're having another shocker. Or just make it a dunce cap or something.
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    Hockey is for 2 minutes, I’d say 4 minutes for football would be appropriate
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    jeff_goldblum Full Member

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    I wouldn't mind a system like this solely for "professional fouls". Intentional cheating should carry a heavier punishment than most other infringements, and the current rules surrounding what sorts of behaviours earn a foul, a yellow or a red don't allow for that.

    Half of me just thinks start giving reds for clear cheating of the sort described in the OP, use VR to help when it comes in. We see players 'taking one for the team' at least once a game, so the current system clearly isn't disincentive enough.
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    donkeyfish Full Member

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    Wouldn't it just be 10 minutes of bus parking by the team with 10 men? Like power play in ice hockey. Not sure it'll make the game more entertaining.
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    Reddy Rederson Full Member

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    Sin bin for the first yellow would be a nice change. Currently getting a yellow means very little, other than trying not to be a dick again for the rest of the match.

    It will if it’s the keeper that gets the card :lol:.
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    Vidyoyo Self-confessed coffee shop chat-up expert

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    Sin bin after the first yellow makes more sense. Give them yellow. Then if they can't calm their tits they're sent to the sin bin for 5 minutes.

    Then if they proceed to act like a bull in a china shop, they get sent down the tunnel where they're immediately gunged by the ghost of Dave Benson Philips.
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    adexkola Arsenal supporter

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    I think the rules work fine. It's up to the refs to enforce the current rules.
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    Spurs already implementing some NFL aspects, so why not something from NHL too. Maybe also give two goals for those scored from outside the box.
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    Gasolin Full Member

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    I think it's either a red card (to provide a penalty) or nothing, but it would be impossible to pull a player out of the field for 10 mn. Simply because FIFA would not provide such an option.
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    RedPed Full Member

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    100% this. Refs just need to be more firm in dishing out the yellows...and reds where necessary. Players and managers will soon get the message when they are suspended for future games. We don't need sin bins.
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    Hawks2008 Full Member

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    If it stops these 'professional' fouls then I'd be for it. 10 mins is too long though.
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    ClaytonBlackmoorLeftPeg Full Member

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    I think something should be done, but don’t want to change The fundamentals of the game.

    Thinking outside of the box - how about if guilty of this type of offence your team loose one of your subsituites. I.e, if you havent used any subs yet, then you only get two and the player gets the booking as usual.

    If all the subs are used, then he gets sent off and they are down to 10 men.

    This at least is more of a punishment than a yellow, which is not enough - but not an automatic red.
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    MoskvaRed Full Member

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    I think it’s a good idea - it works well in rugby as a sanction for persistent cheating.
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    Just imagine that blaring around the stadium and the announcer screaming “POWEEERRPLAAAAAAYYYYYYYY!”

    Our game needs this.
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    Zlaatan Parody Account

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    I think you have missed the point actually. The argument is that the punishment does not fit the crime and the rules should change, so it makes no sense at all to say that it's unfounded because the the rules says that the punishment does fit the crime. If someone wants to change a rule then you can't argue against that by saying that the rule is fine because it's the current rule.
    That the current rules of the game are being followed and applied correctly is completely irrelevant as well.

    As for your last sentence, it doesn't matter if a player tries to get near the ball or not, it's whether he hits the ball or not. If he doesn't hit the ball first it's as clear as a rule break that you're going to get, but of course it's worse if he only tries to get the player and I think that's where this whole thing started. A tactical foul to stop a counter attack should be punished more than for example a goalie delaying the game by not taking a goal kick fast enough.
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    Tommy bigot with fetish for footballers getting fingered

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    Only for being a prat towards the ref. Tired of seeing referees get crowded for every little thing.
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    Thunderhead Full Member

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    No, it would be carnage, refs struggle to implement rules as it is so adding another layer wouldn't help the game
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    Moriarty Full Member

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    Agreed, but I do think refs ought to get tougher with these 'tactical' fouls. They are irritating and spoil the game as a spectacle.
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    Pughnichi New Member

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    Let’s just get VAR nailed before talk of a new rule change.

    That said I do think it could add an interesting dimension to the game. Players penalised instantly and the team on the receiving end actually see the benefit.
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    Pughnichi New Member

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    On the contrary. Say for example Chelsea went down to 10 against Huddersfield. Huddersfield would likely remove the bus and be more pragmatic for 10 mins...and I doubt Chelsea would park the bus for that same period. Could be end to end.

    No one really knows until it’s trialed and I just can’t see it for a good few years...if at all
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    Le Red Full Member

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    That's the Luis Suarez handball discussion all over again. Taking a yellow card or even a red card can be a resource to be used strategically in the right moment.
    It's within the rules of the game and as far as no intentional hurting occurs it's a stretch to call it anti-sportsmanship.
    If you're going to commit fouls, it might as well be in a moment where it can actually help the team instead of getting stupid and useless cards. Unless you are a white knight in shining armor who believes no intentional foul should ever be commited, I don't see where the big ethical problem lies.
    I think the polemic aspect of this resides in the fact that a yellow card seems a very light punishment when a foul stops a really good break, whereas a red card would be too harsh. A somewhere in between punishment such as sin bins sound like a good idea.
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    Le Red Full Member

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    The problem lies in the arbitrary, inconsistent and overly subjective work ethos that plagues football refereeing. Other sports have even more complex sets of rules and don't have half the problems that we have with their refs.
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    Thunderhead Full Member

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    Which sports? Rugby, cricket etc is far easier to referee than football ss the referees are closer to the action
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    Rugby, american football, basketball, all of those have very complex rules when compared to the simple rules applied to a football match (don't know about cricket).
    It's a misguided freedom of interpretation that allows refs to go topsy-turvy so often.
    I don't get what you say about distance of the action. Football refs are so close to the action these days that in almost every match they block a pass or a player's path. Their positioning makes me sick.
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    Thunderhead Full Member

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    I ref rugby, honestly it's piss compared to football, American football have any number of line judges, basketball I know feck all about
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    Bergman New Member

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    The officiating in rugby really puts football to shame. It's rare to watch your team lose and feel like the ref robbed you. The players (who could probably rip the ref to shreds) never surround him and shout 'feck off' like you see every football match. There's overall much more discipline than football.
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    Yes, yellow cards are worthless while red cards can kill the game and are a vastly different punishment whether they happen early or late in in the game.

    The system is obsolete and needs an overhaul, litterally every other team sport now has better disciplinary rules. Sin bin is a good intermediary between current yellow and red. I also like the idea of being able to send off players while allowing a later change, would be perfect for players lacking respect for the referee.
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    Yes. The absurdly cynical play that plagues the modern game needs to be punished appropriately. Also, referees need the leeway to take a "team fouls" approach if a team is doing the same thing repeatedly but rotating players to avoid a yellow card for persistent fouling.
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    witchtrials Full Member

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    Surely in non-"stop the clock" sports this will just lead to loads of time wasting as the team of 10 tries to make sure as little football at possible is played in those 10 minutes.
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    Camilo Full Member

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    I think it'd be a good thing. There's too much bullshit in football, and players tripping attackers up or pulling them back is cheating, pure and simple. I think the rules should recognise that. But yeah, it'd only really work with VAR. But if it stopped cheating I'd be all for it.
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    Briman63 New Member

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    Iv'e always supported the idea of a sin bin, if a players already been booked i think it's ridiculous that he can then be sent off for something as simple as taking his shirt off celebrating a goal or kicking the ball away, foul play should always be a red but to be sent off for maybe 2 hand balls or a mistimed tackle just spoils the game.