I thought this might be better as its own topic because it's a talking point in its own right. Arsenal have always been judged as a Big 4 club with pedigree. It's been a long time since the general status quo has been disrupted, longer than my lifetime, anyway, but now? They really are a poor side, one you can't think of as an automatic CL qualifier any longer. The FA Cup is about the highpoint of a season they can hope for now, and even that is dependent on how many of the top dogs they avoid. For years, we've judged them in relation to what 'Arsenal' represent as the giants of English football they've pretty much always been, but is it time that stopped? If you consider that the performance they put on tonight is actually their level, a better sense of perspective about them is gleaned. True of false?