Solskjaer is a worryingly easy out for the Glazers

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    Tarrou Full Member

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    This is in no way a thread to criticise Ole, who has been brilliant.

    However, the skill-set we've needed for the last few weeks which Ole has basically performed perfectly, is only a small part of what we need over the coming years. After six years of abject shite, we're supposedly about to restructure with a DOF and also need a bit of a rebuild, so whoever comes in has a massive task on their hands to turn this ship around.

    If the Glazers wanted Poch, for example, they'd need to deal with Levy (lets say £50m), give Poch a massive contract as well as promise Poch a big budget this summer (lets say £250m) and commit to a long term rebuild.

    Ole would be much cheaper and have very little leverage to demand a transfer kitty from the owners, as he is so desperate to land the job.

    Given the Glazers reluctance to back Mourinho in the summer, it looks like the purse stings might be tightening. Ole gives them the perfect chance to save a lot of money here so is anyone else, like me, concerned that money will be the deciding factor and not who is the best choice to lead this club forward?
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    sincher "I will cry if Rooney leaves"

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    Everyone assumes that Ole can't do the big job, but I am not so sure I can see why not.

    Of course he hasn't passed the test just yet, but he could I think. I mean appointing a big name with lots of experience is no guarantee of success as we have painfully observed in our last two choices.

    I am not convinced Pochettino would be a good choice.

    I don't think money will be the deciding issue, with the exception that I am not sure we will pay what we might need to in order to get Pochettino. How Ole does till the end of the season will definitely be a factor, and with so many big tests ahead, he is probably odds against doing well enough to get the job given the assumption is that we are looking for someone else. I hope he does it. The last thing we need is another name who doesn't understand the club, is too arrogant or too set in their ways. We don't need a revolution either - we can build a team around the likes of De Gea, Dalot, Shaw, Pogba, Rashford, Martial at very least - and others, of course. We should look to minimise the impact of a new manager joining.
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    Alabaster Codify7 Full Member

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    I admit, this concerns me a bit too.
    Very low maintenance manager. Ideal for a board like them. Happy to be here, won't demand big bucks.
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    Red Katie The least positive person in match threads ever

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    They didn't want to back a manager allegedly wanting rid of Martial and getting in players like Willian, Perisic etc. I don't have a problem with that.
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    Tarrou Full Member

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    I think he could, and I'd love nothing more than if he did that. I'm just not sure we can afford to spend a couple of years finding out.
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    JPRouve can't stop thinking about balls - NOT deflategate

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    We are still talking about the club that has been spending like a drunken sailor in the last 5 seasons?
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    There’s a lot of season left.

    Either he earns the job or he doesn’t. we can’t complain until then.
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    Sarni nice guy, unassuming, objective United fan.

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    The idea that Glazers want to run the club at the lowest cost possible is wrong.
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    sincher "I will cry if Rooney leaves"

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    Why would it necessarily take a couple of years?

    I would argue it is to an extent harder for him to get the job than someone outside the club with a big reputation already - and perhaps that is as it should be, but it remains the case. He has a chance but would have to put up a creditable performance against PSG, have a good FA Cup run, and probably get into the top 4 of the PL. And if he does that I think he should be allowed to continue.
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    khoazany Full Member

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    Maybe I'm one of the few that believe both of them are good choices.
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    haram Full Member

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    Very naive if you think that's how the Glazers look at things.
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    VeevaVee despite the protests, wears Ugg boots

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    I don't think them not allowing Jose transfer money was tightening the purse strings. They were already likely in two minds about how much more he could do, even with more signings and wanted to see if he could continue on from last season or if it was as many of us thought, an overachievement. Last thing we needed was more players that don't actually improve us on top of that.
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    Tarrou Full Member

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    I don't know how long it would take, just throwing a number out there. You'd want to give him a good couple of years to prove himself though.
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    The way you talk as if appointing Poch will guarantee success bearing in mind he knows little about United, has won nothing and that Glazers have already been spending money hand over first on players recommended by our previously very experienced successful managers.

    If Ole can do the job let him do it.
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    Stobzilla Official Team Perv

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    It feels like we are few and far between.

    Absolutely no problem with either of them, I feel they will both look at the same group of players to move out, will both look to strengthen the same areas and both would have a go with the stand out youth prospects and have them around the squad.

    As long as Solskjaer doesn't completely shit the bed against the Top 6 sides and we can see the progress, all power to him.
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    I mean, they are businessmen
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    Tarrou Full Member

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    Did not intend to present Poch as the perfect alternative. Just an example of how much an outsider might cost compared to Ole.

    How do we know he can handle a rebuild at a massive club though? You think he can answer that in the next six months?
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    Nate Dogg Don't Make Me Angry

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    I have no qualms with him getting the job on a permanent basis but will he able to attract the big players especially if we do not to get a champs lge position?
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    To be honest I would be far more concerned about the club trying to bring in big money marque signings who don't fit our system, or are bought over the manager's head.

    If we get the right structure in place, we can let Ole, or whoever it is work on getting the best out of the players we have, while we let a DOF-style appointment worry about bringing in players that fit the United style of play we all want to see.
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    But it's very little in the grand scheme of things. They've just paid £24m or whatever to get rid of Mourinho, that was money well spent.

    Just saw your edited bit.
    I think he could handle United with the right staff around him.

    I don't think we need a massive rebuild.
    The mentality was the biggest worry, you could have all the best players in the world but if they're not working together as a team and morale is at zero, they won't win anything either.

    Too early to judge but I think he has the character and intelligence to do it. Let's see how he gets on.
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    JPRouve can't stop thinking about balls - NOT deflategate

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    I don't think players sign for managers and we don't want the rare players that might do it, they are supposed to represent the club not the manager. Also think about someone like Hazard, Chelsea had Di Matteo when he signed.
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    The Glazers have to invest. The main reason why Jose was sacked is because he is bad for business. Share prices in Man Utd were falling.

    Man Utd is only profitable for the Glazers if the team is performing. Challenging for PL title and CL.

    My only issue with Ole is whether is is a big enough draw to entice big name players to the club.
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    roonster09 Correctly predicted France to win World Cup 2018

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    Couldn't care less if the cost to appoint Ole is much cheaper as long as he is the best man for the job.

    People should give rest about spending money all the time.
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    Darlington Padgett New Member

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    I can see Poch going to Madrid next year so I think our best option is Ole.
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    I strongly suspect that there'll be a big push from the fans to keep Ole as well, which will make things harder still.

    That said, I think this idea that the Board will always do things in the cheapest possible way is a myth. Its only a few weeks since people were insisting Mourinho would be here til the end of the season because they didnt want to pay him off, that turned out to be wrong. While the Glazers have done a lot of ill to this club, they've never been shown to be total penny pinchers.
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    Tarrou Full Member

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    yeah i agree but the point of the thread is the risk they'll appoint Ole despite him not being the best man for the job
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    Seriously? They bought the club as a business investment not as a football club. They will be looking at their return on investment. If Solskjaer does a good job. i.e gets us into the Champions League, I cannot see why they would chase Poch, which will involved paying Spurs off, when they have an option to get Solskjaer.

    I can honestly see Solskjaer getting the job and next year will be the harsh reality he isn't up to scratch, a bit like Di Matteo at Chelsea. Obviously I hope i'm wrong.
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    I still think that Ole will leave at season's end and that the club has already identified the next permanent manager. But, as always, things can change but it won't be for financial reasons alone that Ole gets the job.
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    Red Katie The least positive person in match threads ever

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    I'm going by what seemingly went down last summer although you're free please enlighten me if you want.
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    haram Full Member

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    Even if that was the case, what's it got to do with signing a CB?
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    If the plan is to get in a DOF, isn't a coach who works primarily with the team/players exactly what we will be looking for? The massive rebuild will be the responsibility of the DOF.

    The manager/head coach will just concentrating on what the club supplies him, and Ole sounds a very good fit for that.

    The last thing we need is a manager who will butt heads constantly with a DOF.
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    We've spent a long time trying to find somebody who can manage Utd. Now we have a guy who trained for years to become the Man Utd manager. All the time as a player and coach here, he wasn't learning football club management, he was learning Man Utd management. It's a unique job, and so far he looks completely up to the task.
    We don't need him to have the tactical micromanagement of Pep, we've always been more of a Real Madrid than a Barcelona.
    We don't need him to be a bargain hunter like Poch, or have the relegation scrapping skills that a Cardiff manager would need.
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    Macern Pee pee pants

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    If a DOF is hired which is very likely he’ll be the one in charge of transfers and demanding money. I don’t think the economic differences between Poch and Ole will stretch beyond whatever the club needs to pay Spurs for Pochettino and the difference in wages between the two.
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    Glazers are a problem but they did pay out Mourinho.

    The appointment will be based on whether the candidate can atleast consistently keep us in the top 4 and play attractive football to please the sponsors. Naturally, this means they have to hire a top manager or be assured that Ole has elite level potential. Because, this league is so competitive that any manager who can consistently get top 4 should also be able to challenge for the title.

    So, no worries on that front. Ole will be appointed permanently only if he's competent. There were many Mourinho supporters even among the OT crowd when Ed sacked him. Similarly, he won't give the job to Ole merely because the fans like him.
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    Right bunch of optimists we have here... Manager has won 5 in 5, but that's now "worrying". Wonder what would happen if we tonked Spurs and Arsenal and PSG. Would you guys be suicidal with rage at the thought that he would be appointed in the summer?
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    Tarrou Full Member

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    yeah mate I think its worrying Ole's won five in five, that's exactly whats going on here
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    vidic blood & sand Full Member

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    Hold on to your horses guys.

    Ole hasn't tasted the big time before, and Phelan's been out of the game for the last five years.
    The feel good factor after Mou, is starting to fizzle out. So let's see how he does against tough opposition.
    My gut feeling is that Ole won't be an option at the end of the season, and I think he and Phelan already know that.
    If it's Poch, the club will already be talking to his agent.
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    We spend when we need to. Given that we have not won the title in many years, finished in the top 3 only once since SAF left, the spending is warranted. IMO, we are not spending enough.
    And regarding Ole, being the cheaper/easier option: the Glazers would love it if Ole worked out and kept us in the top 4, for the next 10 years, with minimal spending.
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    red woppit New Member

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    By 16th of March we will surely know whether Ole will be up to the task, or not. That is the day we are due to play City at home. Prior to that we have matches against Spurs away, Arsenal away twice, Leicester away, PSG twice, Liverpool home, Palace away, plus other games that on paper we should win comfortably. I think the final decision may be made that day.