Solskjaer is a worryingly easy out for the Glazers

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    C'est Moi Cantona Full Member

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    Things is unless Ole does something incredible between now and the end of the season then people are soon going to have massive doubts about him, lose a couple in the prem, get tonked by PSG, and see Arsenal knock us out of the FA cup and he'll be getting knocked left, right and centre, which would be unfair as now the moaning Jose has gone we can finally see where the squad is lacking.

    To me it would be crazy to not get Poch if he's up for it, and I'm sure even the Glazer's can see that, even more so as he can clearly do things on a budget if needed, but if we can't, and we need to start throwing money at managers like Simeone, Zidane, or in desperation Conte, then we might as well give Ole a proper go, and just hope he can do it long term
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    Keefy18 New Member

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    I do agree he has a relatively easy job. It seems as long as he lets the players have free reign to play as they wish and continue saying the right things, things should be relatively rosy til May. There's so, so, so much more needed from our next permanent manager with regards team rebuild and identity, we are but seeing a very minor part of whats really needed.

    Ole is obviously the far cheaper option but I'd say its more than a bit presumptuous to think purse strings are being tightened. Jose wasn't backed because he was an idiot and he was losing grip on the team and his decisions with regards transfers were nothing short of absolutely moronic! He spent a year or longer trying his upmost to get rid of Shaw and Martial for example. The latter is arguably our player of the season now, the irony. His targets for CB were not worth the investment either.

    Maguire is not worth the 70-75m that was being quoted in the rumour mill, nor was Alderwerield when he was available for cheaper now or in the summer. Woodward was making far more sensible decisions with regards the squad than Jose was, which is damning on Jose and shows how poor a manager he now is.

    The rumor was that the board were willing to sign a truly world class CB if they were available along the lines of a Varane. But there wasn't one so why spend for spends sake?

    The board have backed every manager post Fergie, we can't really complain about 700m worth of player investment in 5 years! Only City and PSG have out spent us since then and neither side have dominated have they? Goes to show money isn't the be all and end all of making a team successful.
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    This is a good post.

    My heart wants Ole to succeed, get the job and take United back to the top. But my head tells me this won't happen. I think in the next many months most of us will agree that even though he was rightly fired, we always had problems bigger than Jose Mourinho. I hope I am wrong though. Safer to enjoy the moment and hope for the best. Football is an intriguing sport. Beat Spurs, go past PSG, make the top four, win a trophy (especially if it is the CL) and the whole dynamics of the club might just change.
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    Foxbatt Full Member

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    We may lose to Spurs but it is the manner of playing that is important. This is not Ole's team. This is Jose's team so if he gets the chance he is sure to get different set of players. It would be the same if Poch comes too. He is not going to get much going with this team. He is also going to ask for a different set of players. Ole has not won anything. Poch has not won anything. Ole has won a lot as a player. Almost everything at club level and he is at the club where he has won those.

    Ole knows what is takes to win the PL, the CL etc. When he tells the players this is how it feels and what will happen, they know he is speaking from personal experience. Please remember that it is not him alone. That coaching set up has three people who has won everything either as a player or as coach.
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    If Ole is underestimated then Poch can be overestimated, my feeling is that right now there is quite even between them if you weigh in all aspects.

    There are a number of reasons for both, so my belief is that the results of the matches in February can be absolutely crucial. If it goes well, Ole gets the job, if it goes less well they try to get Poch.
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    Yes, I share those concerns too.
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    Let's not compare apples with oranges. Also, any owner will take money out of their asset - there is nothing you or me can do about it. You don't know the alternative scenario so beating the Glazers up for that isn't logical.

    That is simply not true - we are just twisting facts to match theories now. There has been nothing to suggest that Glazers are planning to do the bare minimum after SAF's retirement. On the contrary, they have backed their managers with funds, even to the detriment of the club's earlier reputation of being shrewd in the transfer market. When City invested money and brought in a world-class manager they immediately spent money to bring in Jose.

    In fact, the theory that Glazers are better served by reducing spending is itself on shaky ground. The Glazers would rather win PL/CLs and milk the commercial side of the club - in the process raking in more money in dividends. What you are forgetting is United is a money making machine, not a hobby for some rich magnate that needs to be sustained.
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    Tarrou Full Member

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    I'm just saying "this might happen" so you know, let's be wary of it. You disagree obviously, which is perfectly valid too. I'd actually say you are more likely to be right even, given everything we know.

    Again, I'm not attacking the Glazers or saying they'll do this or that.
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    Yes money has always been made available for any manager. It is the manager who cock up things. The same with Moyes. He had the options of getting many players including Thiago but he went like a Don Quixote after both Baines and Fellaini and Fabregas. Everton refused to sell Baines and Fabregas was never going to come.
    LVG also got the funds he wanted and so did Jose. It is not the Board's fault if the Managers get the wrong players.
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    All I would say on this point is that whilst Glazers have spent a lot of money, they have also taken a great deal of money out of the club that could of otherwise been spent on transfers.

    Like him or loath him, Woodward has built or at least been a large part in building a marketing behemoth.

    United are a money making machine which suits the glazers perfectly, and whilst United are still producing that money they will be happy. The question that united fans perhaps need to ask themselves is that are you prepared to potentially just ride along whilst watching an oil money Man City dissappear over the horizon. Liverpool might challenge them whilst Klopp is still there but he won't be there for more than another 3 to 4 years.

    I don't think Man United are to far off but unlikely to challenge immediately in the next season or 2.
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    I don’t think Ole is an easy out for the Glazers. If he succeeds they have to decide whether to stick with him or employ an alternative. If he fails they’re back to square one again. After 2 caretakers and 3 managers, they risk damaging the value of the club and the brand. In a sense, Ole has complicated future decision making because he has invoked tradition, culture and psychology which runs counter to the policy of corporate profits, high brand potential managers and high brand potential players. The Glazers will have to choose between a football or profits direction, such decisions run through organisations testing staff loyalty and the spirit of the club. Success in the old way under Ole both exposes and challenges the Glazers and also Woodward.
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    Red_toad Full Member

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    What does our transfer of Carrick have to do with the league right now? Back then we could outspend anyone easily.

    We're not spending anything this window, so like I said Arsenal.
    It's 2019, to compete in this league you need to spend a lot of money. The owners are making multi millions out of the club and appear very content to have a team that finishes in the top 4. I'd rather they were more ambitious, maybe you're happy with a Tampa style system, who knows...
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    Good post but I am not sure I agree with the sentence in bold above. While United's spending post Fergie is unsustainable in the long term, I don't think the lack of backing was anything to do with a general tightening of the purse strings.

    Blind Freddy could see that all wasn't good at the club in the summer. There was major investment in Sanchez in January and things were not going well since. Last summer it seemed very unlikely that Jose was going to be a long term United manager. So why spend another £70-80m on his players? He's spent just over 2 years trying to sell every one of LVG's signings.

    I hope the club follows through on this restructure and I hope they don't sign another player until they do. In the modern era you simply cannot have your entire recruitment strategy being driven by short term employees. It's an outdated structure and I hope they have realised it has to change.

    There were comments further up the thread that the Glazers haven't spent enough. I disagree. They haven't spent well enough.

    I don't know yet if Ole is going to be good enough to manage the club. The signs are great but it's early days. I will say that I hope he does really well and earns the job on a permanent basis. There is something a bit cheap about just taking a manager from your rivals.

    I would love to see United get back to the top under Ole, Mickey Shorts, Carrick and McKenna. 3 great club servants and even McKenna who joined recently is a United fan. It just seems like a great fit. Nicky Butt doing a great job as head of the academy. Jim Ryan's son playing great football as u18 coach. It just feels like United again.
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    Sky1981 Fending off the urge

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    We could win the CL final against Liverpool and you'll have people complaining about a mispass in the game which didn't make a difference.

    That's how the caf works.
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    I think the Glazers won’t be opening the purse strings until they’ve sold the club, I’ve just got the feeling they’re looking to sell, who too? Who knows but Ole or whoever comes in won’t be getting much until they’ve sold up, I’m probably wrong, just a feeling in me water.
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    A lot of people in this thread have psychological issues. They gave you guys what you've cried for in years but you are upset they got it for cheap?

    Call your specialist in the morning.
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    I dont see the rationale here. If the club decides to hire Ole on a permanent basis, then by extension they have to trust him enough to give him transfer backing as well. Right now, sure, hes just an interim manager, but if the club chooses him over Poch(or anyone else) then why wont they back him in the market?
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    fellaini's barber Full Member

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    I wonder if they'd be moaning about Ole being an 'easy way out' if he had lost 4 of his first 5 games
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    POF Full Member

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    Because the Glazers are terrible owners who don't invest in the team or back the manager and want to do everything on the cheap . . . . . despite spending an absolute fortune on players over the last 5 years.

    Only the manager and fans want United to win things. The Glazers don't despite the fact that if United are successful it will significantly increase the value of their asset and make them a tonne of money.
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    See I think the fact that they did manage to increase the brand value makes them fair earners of the their dividends. That’s all I want out of the owners. Be minimally involved in the football area and try to increase brand value off the field so that we can sort of compete with the oil state clubs when it comes to transfers and they have managed that. So to me they’re the ideal owners.

    I think your idea that anyone could have done this is not necessarily true. Also the idea that someone would buy United outright and then also put in the effort of increase the brand value and monetisation and then not take money out of the club is a bit of a fantasy.
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    ClaytonBlackmoorLeftPeg Full Member

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    It’s an example of why you don’t have to spend a fortune EVERY year, and Utd fans seem to expect it, and it’s not necessary. The whole point of that example is that we didn’t outspend everyone.

    Having spent £500m in 5 years, we should be in a position where we need to spend another £200,300,400,500m to challenge for the league. The club have spent a fortune, and it’s been wasted. You cannot criticise the club for the money they have spent - but rather on how it’s been spent. Only City and PSG have spent more.

    Arsenal don’t have the money, Utd do, there a clear difference in why the clubs may not spend money in January.

    Of course I want Utd to be winning the league, it’s utterly ridiculous to suggest otherwise. However, I don’t believe just throwing more money at the problem is going to solve it. That’s been done, look at the results!

    I also don’t see what the issue is with the owners paying dividends. It’s a business, and they have a right to do so - as is very clear, this has not affected the club’s ability to spend on wages (highest in the league, probably the world!!), and £500m in transfer fees in 5 years.
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    fellaini's barber Full Member

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    Funniest thing I've seen in this thread is someone claiming that Jose was 'calling out the GLazers' back when he was using lack of spending as his excuse for getting outplayed by the likes of Bournemouth
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    Handing over the managers role of your enormous company that makes you a ton of cash and will make MORE cash if it does well is an easy out?
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    Red_toad Full Member

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    Utd have the money, yet have no intention of spending anything. So what's the difference, it's the same result in the end. Like the thread says they get an easy out, as fans aren't expecting any purchases.
    The owners can take extra dividends this year as they're saving a fortune that needs investing in the team.
    As you're bringing up City they're the champions and will invest further in the summer of that I have no doubt, as United are playing catch up they need to invest a lot. Simply saying it doesn't work is incorrect, PSG and City outspend everyone in their league, as do Juve, Barca and Real. I can't think of a single league where money doesn't make the biggest difference.
    Yes the club have spent unwisely and got the manager choice wrong, so that's on the owners as well, as it's a business, they should either learn more about the business or hire the people who do.
    If Ole gets the job and it all goes tits up I'm dreading the fans turning on him, as some have a real agenda to excuse the owners of everything.
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    fellaini's barber Full Member

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    Where is this coming from? We've only been outspent by City ffs
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    I don't think so. Not backing Mourinho was the best thing they could have done, specially considering he already spent in the previous 2 years. Glazers aren't stupid to the point that not investing in their team when the needs are there and pertinent will happen.

    I don't know how you can be so sure of that. Since SAF has retired we haven't been consistently in the CL so if we were able to do that, I have no doubt the expectation will be about winning the PL. Glazers are being considered by many fans as if they're fecking idiots
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    Big time as a player and big time as a manager are two completely different things! We've seen plenty of great players struggle in management.

    Poch is at a big club in Spurs, probably the next bracket down from Liverpool and United. He's turned them from a mid-table team to Premier League contenders / top 4 side every year. As for trophies, realistically he's never going to win a premier league and folks deriding him for that are clueless. He had one chance alright in a bizarre anomaly year and yes it didn't pay off but that happens. That was definitely his best chance but that aside once the bigger clubs settled again he was always fighting an up hill battle to overtake them.

    There's still far too many unanswered questions with regards Ole. How will he handle us after a loss? Or multiple losses (dip in form)? How will he fair in the transfer market? Can he rebuild us as a team? Will highly sought after or big name players be eager to play for him?

    He's still a complete unknown in many respects. I'm loving the upturn in confidence and buzz around the club again but he's an easy number in reality in that he just has to keep blowing smoke up the players backside til May and letting them play how they want.
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    We all know that we need improvement in the backline and a DM. We have every chance of a top 4 finish if we can bring in a Top CB and DM.

    An interim manager don't have a say in transfers, so the blame will lay with Woodward if he fails to bring in these players and we don't make the top 4. Is this right. What do you think.

    I really don't know what the board were thinking of. They are just pulling the wool over our eyes again IMO. They were managers out there who would have jumped at the chance to manage this great club, and at a time that we needed a full time manager most, they bring in an Interim manager until the summer when we have a great chance of making top 4 are still in Champions League and FA cup.

    Before anyone jump on me, I think Ole is doing a fantastic job,but his hands are tied as regards bringing in players this window, because the club want to wait until they appoint a new manager in the summer. Well for a club the size of Manchester United, this stinks.

    This club needs to seriously look at things from the very top and think of the team and fans more than promotional ways of making money, as the fans are the ones they depend on most, at the end of the day.
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    The argument then will be why is non-football people making football decisions? GTFO Ed.

    This is why I shiver when people want the fans to run the club instead of business people. Imagine Manchester United run by the people in this thread?
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    This thread makes me angry.
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    It still must not change. We can not get this appointment wrong.
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    If he's right for the club, I don't give a feck if he's convenient for the owners or not. We've been throwing fortunes at players for "proven" managers for years and they've made them look like donkeys. Time for a change.
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    Pogue Mahone Poster of the year 2008

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    The Glazer ended up sacking one of the most successful coaches ever because he looked like costing the club CL football. The idea that they’d take a punt on someone much less qualified just because the fans like him and he’s cheap is preposterous.

    That said, I’d love it if Ole gave them an “easy” decision to hire him.
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    Red Katie The least positive person in match threads ever

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    So he can keep the job almost no matter result and place in the table? That's nonsense.