"Spying" on another team's training sessions...

Discussion in 'Football Forum' started by duffer, Jan 11, 2019.

  1. Jan 11, 2019
    #81

    12OunceEpilogue Full Member

    Joined:
    Oct 2, 2016
    Messages:
    6,610
    Location:
    Wigan
    I don't blame Lampard for being angry but he should get better at hiding it, it looks like Bielsa got in his head. Also he must have abandoned all his great tactics as a ploy to wrong-foot Leeds as it sounds like they stunk the place out (and this is Elland Road we're talking about, tall order).
    Last edited: Jan 11, 2019
  2. Jan 11, 2019
    #82

    Mogget Full Member

    Joined:
    Nov 27, 2013
    Messages:
    3,252
    Supports:
    Arsenal
    Wasting time at goal kicks is unsportsmanlike. Making a 92nd minute sub to run down the clock is unsportsmanlike. Making a cynical foul to stop a counter attack is unsportsmanlike. Going to ground at the slightest touch is unsportsmanlike. There's so much in football which is unsportsmanlike and done to gain the smallest advantage. Why the huge fuss over this?
  3. Jan 11, 2019
    #83

    Keeps It tidy Hates Messi

    Joined:
    Jun 6, 2013
    Messages:
    15,719
    Location:
    New York
    If Bielsa did not think he could use it to gain an advantage he would not even bother. And if he did not think he was breaking some form of conduct he would had his spy show up at the front door Leeds United gear.
  4. Jan 12, 2019
    #84

    cyberman Full Member

    Joined:
    May 26, 2010
    Messages:
    14,328
    There's levels to it.
    Is a leg breaking challenge in the same category as delaying a goal kick? Both are unsportsmanlike.
    Spying on the opposition is nowhere near those examples.
    There's acceptable and then there's this.
    Isn't it illegal to spy anyway? Some sort of industrial espionage?
  5. Jan 12, 2019
    #85

    Kazi Full Member

    Joined:
    Feb 13, 2013
    Messages:
    9,001
    Location:
    Keano's Magic Hat
    We should do it whenever possible.

    We should hire Belichick.
  6. Jan 12, 2019
    #86

    JMack1234 Full Member

    Joined:
    Feb 19, 2017
    Messages:
    796
    It's just very very funny isn't it?
  7. Jan 12, 2019
    #87

    Reynoldo Full Member

    Joined:
    Dec 7, 2006
    Messages:
    3,723
    Location:
    Dublin
    I want to know what Peps really doing with those drones....I mean come on...
  8. Jan 12, 2019
    #88

    tieunhilang New Member

    Joined:
    Oct 22, 2018
    Messages:
    106
    With Manchester United's huge amount of money, we should have freaking satellites monitoring all big teams in Europe and make proper adjustments. Damn Woodward being clueless again! :mad:
  9. Jan 12, 2019
    #89

    Snow Somewhere down the lane, a licky boom boom down

    Joined:
    Jul 10, 2007
    Messages:
    29,210
    Location:
    Reykjavík
    Obviously agree with Lampard here. Hard not to.
  10. Jan 12, 2019
    #90

    amolbhatia50k Sneaky bum time

    Joined:
    Nov 8, 2002
    Messages:
    68,339
    Location:
    india
    Dock them points.

    What next? People would be fine with spying on the manager's team talks and whatever other chit chat goes inside the changing room etc
  11. Jan 12, 2019
    #91

    Class of 63 Full Member

    Joined:
    Aug 15, 2017
    Messages:
    3,538
    Location:
    Back of Beyond
    Much ado about nothing.
  12. Jan 12, 2019
    #92

    Pexbo has never watched Star Wars

    Joined:
    Jun 2, 2009
    Messages:
    41,775
    Location:
    Brizzle


    Say what you will about Neville but he absolutely knocked it out the park here.
  13. Jan 12, 2019
    #93

    Patrick08 Full Member

    Joined:
    Mar 30, 2018
    Messages:
    2,015
    Grow the bushes longer and ban the bushcams:D
  14. Jan 12, 2019
    #94

    AgentP Full Member

    Joined:
    Jun 7, 2013
    Messages:
    3,748
    Location:
    Chennai
    It's unsportsmanlike to spy on other teams especially with the order coming directly from the manager. Lampard has every right to be pissed off at Bielsa. This is being taken lightly because it's just a championship league game. But what if the same happened before a CL final or the World Cup final? Some basic ground rules need to be set by the FA and FIFA to prevent such incidents.
  15. Jan 12, 2019
    #95

    roonster09 Correctly predicted France to win World Cup 2018

    Joined:
    May 10, 2009
    Messages:
    12,942
  16. Jan 12, 2019
    #96

    lambnchips New Member

    Joined:
    Apr 14, 2017
    Messages:
    61
    Supports:
    Tottenham
    I think what it might imply by a manager being upset is that a rival may have found out something they didn't want them to know. Perhaps revealing there is more skullduggery going on.

    Clubs are always updating fans with training photos and news on injuries. Makes me wonder just what does Biesla instruct his spies to look out.
  17. Jan 12, 2019
    #97

    lambnchips New Member

    Joined:
    Apr 14, 2017
    Messages:
    61
    Supports:
    Tottenham
    Is it unsportsmanlike for a club to lie about a star player's injury in order to surprise the opposition when the team is unannounced?
  18. Jan 12, 2019
    #98

    AgentP Full Member

    Joined:
    Jun 7, 2013
    Messages:
    3,748
    Location:
    Chennai
    In my opinion, there is a difference between concealing details about your own team and trespassing and spying on an opponent's team.
  19. Jan 12, 2019
    #99

    Cloud7 Full Member

    Joined:
    Jan 11, 2016
    Messages:
    2,763
    I didn’t know this was a common thing, but G Nev, Owen etc have been saying on twitter that this has been going on for years. Perhaps people going just a bit overboard in that case?
  20. Jan 12, 2019

    Classical Mechanic Full Member

    Joined:
    Aug 25, 2014
    Messages:
    20,221
    Wouldn't it be breaking and entering under the law if what Lampard says is correct?
  21. Jan 12, 2019

    meamth Full Member

    Joined:
    Jun 3, 2017
    Messages:
    1,495
    Location:
    Malaysia
    I'm more interested with that Jack Clarke lad. Right foot, left foot, dribbles like discounted Martial, but seems so dangerous.
  22. Jan 12, 2019

    gormless Full Member

    Joined:
    Jun 25, 2008
    Messages:
    7,090
    Location:
    comfortable and settled in my rut
    There is no criminal offence of breaking and entering
  23. Jan 12, 2019

    Feed Me I'm hungry

    Joined:
    Apr 8, 2004
    Messages:
    24,957
    Location:
    Midlands, UK
    Lampard can feck off with his pious attitude. Bielsa hasn't broken any rules, so he's shown initiative to gain an advantage within the laws of the game, something that players and coaches consistently attempt to do.
  24. Jan 12, 2019

    Rednotdead Full Member

    Joined:
    Jan 6, 2014
    Messages:
    4,543
    Location:
    Tewkesbury
    He may not have broken any laws but it's sneaky and underhand and leaves a nasty taste in the mouth.

    If this behaviour is accepted as ok where does it end? What's acceptable and what's not? Or should it just be a free-for-all with no holds barred?
  25. Jan 12, 2019

    Rednotdead Full Member

    Joined:
    Jan 6, 2014
    Messages:
    4,543
    Location:
    Tewkesbury
    That's law in Scotland. In England it's trespass (there's no trespass law in Scotland).
  26. Jan 12, 2019

    duffer Sensible and not a complete jerk like most oppo's Scout

    Joined:
    Jun 24, 2004
    Messages:
    30,898
    Location:
    Chelsea fan.
    From the BBC...
    Head coach Marcelo Bielsa will be "reminded of the integrity and honesty" of Leeds United after he admitted sending a staff member to 'spy' on a Derby County training session.

    A Leeds statement said: "Following comments made by Marcelo Bielsa on Friday, the club will look to work with our head coach and his staff to remind them of the integrity and honesty which are the foundations that Leeds United is built on. Our owner Andrea Radrizzani has met with Derby County's owner Mel Morris to formally apologise for Marcelo's actions."

    Derbyshire Police removed the man and no arrests were made.

    The Football Association has said it is investigating the incident.


    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/46850155

    Will be interesting to see what the FA does.
  27. Jan 12, 2019

    Mr. MUJAC Talent spotter

    Joined:
    Sep 19, 2005
    Messages:
    5,420
    Location:
    Walter Crickmer started it all...
    I think you'll find that members of our so called press did exactly that during England games ...then told everyone else in an 'exclusive' in their papers.

    Whether it makes that big a difference I'm not sure...
  28. Jan 12, 2019

    VorZakone What would Kenny G do?

    Joined:
    May 9, 2013
    Messages:
    15,503
    Do Israeli teams get to employ the Mossad? That'd be unfair.
  29. Jan 12, 2019

    gormless Full Member

    Joined:
    Jun 25, 2008
    Messages:
    7,090
    Location:
    comfortable and settled in my rut
    Fair enough. Tresspass still isn't a criminal offence in England however
  30. Jan 12, 2019

    VeevaVee despite the protests, wears Ugg boots

    Joined:
    Jan 3, 2009
    Messages:
    27,341
    It is a bit but it's hardly the same level though. The point is that the opposition team shouldn't know anything about the preparation and lineups, and should work off previous games. If they choose to believe a tall tale it's up to them.
  31. Jan 12, 2019

    Marching Somehow still supports Leeds

    Joined:
    Apr 21, 2001
    Messages:
    39,570
    Except that didn’t happen. :lol:
  32. Jan 12, 2019

    duffer Sensible and not a complete jerk like most oppo's Scout

    Joined:
    Jun 24, 2004
    Messages:
    30,898
    Location:
    Chelsea fan.
    I was not there, only going by what Lampard said. :lol:
  33. Jan 12, 2019

    Rafaeldagold New Member

    Joined:
    Jan 20, 2015
    Messages:
    307
    This is all so pathetic

    Who cares really. It’s just getting extra info & being proactive. Why’s there so much fuss over it- people getting offended & being precious over nothing..

    And Keown going on about Biesla ‘breaking a moral code’ This is all so petty- ‘ let’s all get outraged over nothing ‘
    Last edited: Jan 12, 2019
  34. Jan 12, 2019

    Marching Somehow still supports Leeds

    Joined:
    Apr 21, 2001
    Messages:
    39,570
    Funny how the police had a different version.
  35. Jan 12, 2019

    Scarecrow Having a week off

    Joined:
    Feb 6, 2012
    Messages:
    11,320
    I like it. We need more antics in football, it's getting stale.
  36. Jan 12, 2019

    duffer Sensible and not a complete jerk like most oppo's Scout

    Joined:
    Jun 24, 2004
    Messages:
    30,898
    Location:
    Chelsea fan.
    What did the police say? Could not see any quotes from them on the BBC.
  37. Jan 12, 2019

    RedNed77 Full Member

    Joined:
    Sep 7, 2014
    Messages:
    1,375
    Location:
    What's it to you???
    Why was he hiding in a bush? Why didnt he just pretend to be a Derby fan trying to watch his team train? Either way, i really dont see the problem and assumed this was the norm rather than something for Lampard to be getting his knickers in a twist over.

    Build a wall Lampard and get Leeds to pay for it!
  38. Jan 12, 2019

    Cockney Phil Full Member

    Joined:
    Dec 22, 2018
    Messages:
    160
    Location:
    London
    Supports:
    Manchester United FC
    The new football voyeurism - spying on the sheep-shaggers! :lol:
  39. Jan 12, 2019

    youmeletsfly New Member

    Joined:
    Sep 29, 2018
    Messages:
    340
    More of it please. It's enough that the game has become so soft these days, a spy here and there will do it good, spark some rivalries between clubs.
  40. Jan 12, 2019

    Marching Somehow still supports Leeds

    Joined:
    Apr 21, 2001
    Messages:
    39,570
    Officers were called at around 11.20am on Thursday, January 10 to reports of a man acting suspiciously on Morley Road, Derby.

    A man was found at the perimeter fence of Moor Farm training ground and spoken to. Officers conducted routine checks which were all above board.

    Despite media reports, no damage to the fence was found, and the man was stopped outside the grounds.

    No arrests were made and the man was sent on his way.