Discussion in 'General Forum' started by KingMinger22, Feb 18, 2012.
Damn, I'm down... Can I get this off Ebay or is there some official site?
Secret footage of Kingminger's training camp
I realise I'm being a dick but it's all shit and giggles.
5'9". Went from 16.5 stone to 13.5.
That's brilliant work. Respect.
So I need to drop to about just below 11 stone until I start burning fat stores properly?
I was just going off all the info online saying 1-2 pounds a week but that clearly must be after the initial water loss
@KingMinger: Losing weight (no matter the method) is extremely tough.I've had several problems but last year I decided to face my problem and without going into full details in the space of a few months (December 2010-June 2011) I've lost about 30kgs.I haven't gained more 2-3 since then.I have stabilized my weight and I'm so happy and proud about myself.
I wish you all the best and keep up the fight.If it's one thing I've learned after all this, it's patience.
If you have a smart phone, get a calorie counting app for it and pre-program the values/portions you eat. If not keep a log at a place like fitday.
Dial in your total caloric goal for either losing weight or gaining weight. Then use the calculators to zero in on your protein carb and fat ratios. Generally speaking 50:30:20 is quite solid for leaning out. For more intensive workouts 40:40:20 is also fantastic as you get more fuel from the extra carbs.
The fact is, weight loss/weight gain is 90% diet.
Cut sugar and empty calories out. Want something sweet eat fruit.
Stay on top of your nutritional needs and work out and results will happen. Thats it, its not magic!
Now to look at your actual diet.
I'd recommend egg white omelettes for your breakfast if you want to do eggs. One piece of whole wheat toast.
Personally I go for a vanilla/frozen strawberry(whatever frozen fruit you like) protein shake. They are fucking delicious and good for you and will fill you up.
Save the second shake for post workout. Sub the strawberries for a banana. Banana=magical post workout food. You want the protein from the shake immediately after your workout, within 60 min because your body is going to want to use it immediately.
The general rule is. If it comes out of a box. If it comes out of a package, don't eat it. You want ingredients as close to their natural state as possible.
The best recommendation anyone can give you really is to just measure out your portions and dial in your nutritional needs.
Also, the p90x/insanity recommendation is good.
A friend of mine did a rotation of p90x last summer and dropped from 255 to 205~ in 4 months. He dialed in his daily caloric requirement at around 2k, and stuck to a 40:40:20 split.
You diet is the most important thing for cutting down.
The guys bagging on P90x are silly.
It is a fantastic program for people who follow through with it. It incorporates all kinds of compound movements. The most important upper body workout it gives you are chin ups and pull ups and those are THE BEST upper body movements you can do for functional strength period. Full stop.
Yes it is a program, and yes many people can do something better, or think they can.
The point of P90x is that it is 1) Low impact (other than the plyometrics), very little free weights. 2) It his HIIT. 3) It is a full body workout. 4) It has yoga.
Yoga is one of the absolute best workouts you can do. Some people hate it, because it can be unbelievably hard if your core is weak, it can be unbelievably hard if you lack flexibility.
It is designed to peg your HR in an optimal zone, and give you aerobic as well as anaerobic workouts.
In terms of cardio, Insanity is a step above P90x, however I know guys who have lost a crap load of weight doing it. And I know guys who have put on a bunch of weight doing it.
At the end of the day it is like anything, if you put in the work you get the results and P90x can give you solid results, especially when it comes to functional strength.
This guy is a product of P90x. He is redonkulous.
Free weights reign supreme. Cardio isn't required in order to lose weight. It's a program that's good for conditioning, that includes a stupid amount of unnecessary routines and movements. It depends on your goals, you won't get big with it or pack on much muscle mass because you're missing most of what you should be doing, and doing a lot of what you don't need to do.
This guy is a product of eating twice a day, training 3 days a week with no cardio what so ever. If you want to talk about redonkulous.
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This thread has become a ton more interesting and useful. Thanks for the replies.
I'm DLing Insanity right now. Gonna stick it on my ipad so I can workout on the move (I'm a drifter).
I think that I will continue to operate on a caloric deficit of around 500, 6 days a week and then one day (vodka day ) where I consume my maintenance (not more).
Back in December 2010, I was my heaviest ever at just shy of 12 stone. I changed a few habits - quite minor tbh - and five months later weighed 11 stone.
One of the things that pisses me off is when the odd fitness expert/diet plan argues that calories are not important and its type of cals etc. Fucking stupid imo. Sure your nutirtional breakdown is important but calories in/out is as key surely.
Cals in and out is the single most important thing, but 2500 cals of fat will affect your body composition differently than 2500 cals of protein or carbs, so it is also pretty important to eat nutritious food in a sensible fashion.
There's a lot of stupid and outdated advice out there. You have to remember that their only aim is to make money so they try and differentiate themselves somehow. Half of the stuff you read in magazines aims to appear impressive rather than be effective.
The view that cardio is the best way to lose weight just doesn't disappear (perhaps because it feels effective?), people grossly overestimate the number of calories they burn. The most frustrating is seeing chubby people doing situps/crunches, it annoys me far more than it should
The majority of people could half their gym time and lose/gain twice as much fat/muscle if they shifted their focus from cardio to diet/weights.
After I saw this post I got my hands on Insanity. Here I am sat in a pool of my own sweat cursing both you and Shaun T after doing my seventh session. If I'm not sexy by the end of this then I'm going to cyber kick you in the balls.
£105.95 for the DVD....
I hope he torrented it.
And then obviously reported it to the relevant authorities.
Don't worry I've already filed a report with the internet police
You'd recommend the workout though?
If you have a f*ck ton of motivation and are relatively fit to start off with it will work. If you watched the video you'll see that Shaun T is being shadowed by a group of ripped fitness enthusiasts, in most videos even they have to take a time out towards the end. You'll be dripping with sweat and cursing the world for the majority of it all, but it's because of that I think it will work.
You have to do the same video more than once which will probably get a little repetitive. On the other hand seeing if you can last longer in the same videos does act as motivation in itself.
You don't need to own any weights or even have that much room to do it in.
Shaun T keeps you motivated throughout.
You feel like you've had a proper workout each time.
There's some well hot girls thrusting and lunging all over the place in the background.
You can work out as hard as you can, you're constantly advised to take a rest if your form is compromised.
If you lack motivation you won't do it. (I advise forcing a friend to start it so you can compare notes.)
Despite the nutritional guide being useful I personally find it impossible to cook fresh food up to five times a day. (No idea if it will work with my diet of beer and take away.)
If you're in bad shape to begin with there's a good chance that you'll have a heart attack.
Hope this makes sense! Just finished a session and my brain is trying to recover!
The one point about leangains is does he recommend Cardio for endurance or does he say stay well away? Surely some cardio is good for you?
He doesn't do any cardio what so ever.
You can use it for conditioning if you play sports etc and you want your stamina/fitness up, but as for building muscle or weight loss, waste of time.
You're missing a huge chunk of the equation.
First, nobody claimed you had to do cardio to build muscle. What an absurd notion.
What you're missing however, is functionality versus pure aesthetic. As a former college level athlete, functionality is absolutely king. I don't give a shit what I look like so long as I can lift more, jump higher, run faster and run further. At the end of the day the guy that can do all of that is superior.
We all know that how you look body fat wise is a function of calories in versus calories out. Cardio or any intensive exercise aerobic or anaerobic increases the number of calories out. This speeds the process of weight loss.
Weight loss or more accurately fat-loss is synonymous with fitness. The higher your power to weight ratio is the higher your performance will be.
However understanding how the body gains lean mass, and sheds fat complicates matters. If your goal is strictly to gain lean mass, you eat like a horse and lift heavy weights.
So for a body builder, the cycle is then;
Eat - Lift Heavy (Gain lean mass AND body fat)
Starve - Lift lighter and do cardio. (minimize lean mass loss, and maximize body fat loss)
This is a very simple explanation of how to gain muscle and not be athletic.
The original poster wasn't asking how to gain JUST muscle. He was asking how to get in the best possible shape.
You will get in better shape doing insanity or p90x than anything that guy you linked who eats twice a day and lifts does. The guy I also linked who developed through p90x may not have tits as large as your boy, but he has way way way way... more functional strength and conditioning.
No, he didn't ask that at all. The OP asked how to improve his physique, and lose weight. That's the goals he posted.
You will not link me to anyone with a bigger physique or lower body fat percentage through P90X, than I can link you through weightlifting.
Cardio is a waste of time invested for fat loss. Sure it works, but it's slower than weight lifting. Studies have shown this. Also, the bigger your muscles, the more calories you burn when using them. Lifting big and dieting > cardio for losing weight.
You also say 'I don't give a shit what I look like, if I can lift more' and I'm sorry, but you can't lift more through P90X, than a strength trainer can who strength trains every week. It's just bullshit to state otherwise.
Any update on this, KM?
He should be done there soon actually. Will be interesting to see how he's fared.
The only thing Cardio is moderately useful for is to build up a good base level of fitness for physical activity. In my experience it isn't better than weight-lifting when it comes to burning fat. Though the advantage of doing intervals is the metabolism boost it gives you throughout the day, which allows fat to be burnt continuously through the day.
Exactly, strength for strength, and fat loss, conditioning for conditioning. Cardio works for fat loss, but so does walking round in circles. Anything better than sitting on your arse works for fat loss. Wagging your little finger works for fat loss, so of course cardio works, just at different rates. If you want the best results, you lift big and sort your diet out. You wouldn't crawl somewhere you could walk.
If you want to be able to sprint on a pitch for 90 mins however, you need cardio.
I have been meaning to revisit this thread for a while.
Results from my time at Tiger-
I ended up staying for 6 weeks instead of 8 as I was getting homesick from being away for the best part of 6 months. I had a good time at Tiger MT and it really help me detoxify and feel 'normal' again after months of heavy bingeing on the booze and bad food!
In terms of weight loss, which was my primary goal, I got down to 11 stone so I lost about 8 pounds which was what I was aiming for. Since coming back everyone keeps saying I look leaner and have lost weight etc which is always nice of course.
I am now aiming to get a bit more cut by losing another half a stone. I started doing daily morning runs last week, am following the slow-carb diet by Tim Ferris (of Four Hour Body fame) and only drinking once a week. I've a gym induction this week to start doing free weights too.
In summary, I would highly recommend a MT camp in Thailand as a good way to lose weight or get fit. it's fairly affordable and can be done for around £1500 including flights.
Thanks to everyone for the advice etc before.
First of all, well done on your weight loss!
Still a bit unsure about the intake of alcohol, but since you are happy with the way things are going, as long as you're happy, do it that way.
Trying to get lean myself so I have cut out carbs in the evening, cardio after doing weights and plenty of fish, vegetables, salad and chicken. Trying to avoid bread, pasta and other "heavy" meals.
Hey man what about Tiger Muay Thai as a training camp?
How big is a class normally and are the one-on-ones good?
@Jaap thanks man. I'm back in the UK and going to the gym doing 3x full body, mostly compound weight lifting. I also do a one hour run 4 times a week. Trying to drop 2-3% more BF in the next 7 weeks before a USA road trip.
@SiYuan it's great, I'd highly recommend it. Classes can be quite big, say, 20 people but there will be about 10 trainers per class to so it works well. One on ones are good but largely depend on the instructor - pick a good one and it's great. Highly recommended in all.
In fear of sounding mighty gay... Can we get an "after" picture to see how much it's helped?
Haha sure. I will take some snaps when I get a chance :P I haven't a mobile so will have to borrow a friends at some point
In terms of difference, I put on 0 lean mass... no muscle whatsoever. I have dropped 10 pounds and stripped my waist by two inches to 32" which is what I wanted.
I'm working on bulking up a bit now that I am leaner. I think it will be a slow process as I'm def not a natural for putting on muscle. I'm not in a rush though as its not a big deal for me, just something to work on, 3 times a week for fun.
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