Tanguy Ndombele

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    LoveFootball Banned

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    Sell Matic, Fellaini and Lukaku to found this deal, or offers Matic + money in a package to get him, he's that good.
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    Andersons Dietician Full Member

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    True RW, CB probably more pressing but I would have thought he’d be around 50 mil and if others are interested it could go higher. Budget? I’ve always presumed that if the right players are available then funds are there to make a deal. There is probably some base 150 mil but that can stretch if needed.

    1 problem I would say is I’d imagine that Fekir will go this year, be it this window or the summer and I’m not sure they’d want to sell Ndombele on top of that unless the offer is really good. Aulas the owner always gets a good deal for them so it won’t be easy.
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    Same. While I wasn't really enthusiastic about getting a B2B midfielder instead of someone like Thiago or Isco, Ndombele made far more sense than Fred.
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    Ekeke Full Member

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    Would probably cost twice the price as well. Not that he wouldnt end up worth it, maybe he would
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    Dembele at Spurs, at least in his best seasons there, was a much better ball winner. Dembele in his career in the premier league has had several seasons where he won the ball double the amount N'Dombele has won the ball for Lyon this season. So what you probably missed was that in his best seasons Dembele did hunt the ball down like Kantes and Anders you mentioned.

    N'Dombele's strength other than his physical power is as much as anything his passing.

    While Dembele's passing was probably just a bit short of taking him to the next level as one of the elite midfielders in the premier league - he was a fine passer but he wasnt going to unlock teams with a deft pass.

    N'Dombele has a bit more of an eye for finding his attacking teammates with good passes. More on the Carrick level there than the Dembele level imo. But with vastly obvious physical differences and not as reliable as Carrick at finding a good defensive position.

    N'Dombele has 4 assists this season and compared to some other players in France playing the same kind of position, 1.6 dribbles per game isn't more than the others although he does win a couple of freekicks.

    However he does have slightly more key passes than for example Sangare, Veratti and Auoar. At the same time these are generally short passes as he plays less long passes than these players so probably not as often using expansive and range finding passes like Carrick would sometimes do. Probably just good medium or short range passes into attacking players in good areas who can then get their shots away
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    Cassidy No longer at risk of being mistaken for a Scouser

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    Sounds like a Herrera but slightly less defensive
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    Rozay Not good at posting fixture lists

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    Always seems to be on the stretch or on the brink of falling over in that video. Must say that it didn’t look massively different to Bakayoko at Monaco.

    I also echo the sentiments that I’d prefer a deeper more technical midfielder. De Jong preferably. I think Herrera has enough to partner Pogba ahead of that player, and Fred will be able to demonstrate over the next year if he can take that role. If not, maybe look for another b2b to replace Herrera later.
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    I think he's a better passer than Ander, more in that Carrick category like I said. Just not quite as expansive.

    Ander can pull out a nice pass once in a while but mostly sticks to just keeping the ball moving in a simple and effective fashion. Think N'Dombele will find that good pass a bit more often in general. But yeah defensively have me down for Ander all day.
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    Wouldn’t say he is Kante or Herrera levels in hunting balls down but if a ball is to be won and he can do something about it he will be quite aggressive in that pursuit.

    If there is a comparison to be made it’s maybe a more athletically gifted Dembele of Spurs with better defensive attributes.[/QUOTE]

    I also get a little of Anderson from that comp, though perhaps more of a natural deep midfielder than Ando was.
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    BalanceUnAutreJoint New Member

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    Highly disagree
    Pogba at the World Cup has shown better defensive workrate and contribution than Ndombele ever did in his career.
    Ndombele can't play a defensive role, Pogba actually can It's just that he'd be wasted there.

    Ndombele isn't a DM and he doesn't want to be a DM
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    So 7 games during the WC made Pogba a better DM now? We simply brush away the amount of time he was a failed experience there during the last 3 seasons?

    Ndombele is a much better ball winner and has great workrate and positionning, reason why I said he can play there better than Pogba.
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    Andersons Dietician Full Member

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    Remember you’re comparing a guy who was in his prime at say 25-26 to a 21 year old and if you take Ndombele last season there stats are almost identical except for some obvious difference. Yeah Dembele made 3.6 tackles compared to Ndombeles 1.9 but watching them I would still say that Ndombele is more defensively astute than what Dembele was but each to their own on that, depends how much faith you put in stats vs watching what people do on the field but I just can’t recall Dembele ever actively hunting people down in the same manner as Kante or Herrera, for me if a tackle was there to be made then he made it which is why I made the comparison although Ndombele for me a much more physically gifted player.

    Although for me Ndombele is not a DM, he is someone that could do a job there is asked but he’d be better in Herreras role within the current team make up, but I would imagine if Pep gets his hands on him he’d be Fernandinho’s eventual replacement.
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    BalanceUnAutreJoint New Member

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    The fact that you think Ndombele has great workrate and positionning makes me question how much you've watched him play.
    These are notoriously his flaws which he adressed by saying he was a striker for his youth teams and his coaches used to scold him for only making efforts when his team had the ball
    Then he added that he feels he "shouldn't have to defend" when he plays lower ranked teams as Lyon is better and should dominate.
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    You are talking about the player he was before coming to Lyon as he did address many of his flaws since.
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    JPRouve can't stop thinking about balls - NOT deflategate

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    That's not exactly what he said and he didn't address it, he was asked about his flaws at youth level and he answered that he was too nonchalant. He then said that it's nice to chase and regain possession against teams like City that have the ball all the time. The interviewer then asked if it was less interesting to defend against smaller teams like Guingamp and Caen, he answered that it wasn't less interesting but that a team like Lyon should be the one with the ball instead of chasing after it all game.