That penalty decision vs Swansea

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    The Azzurri Full Member

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    Penalty or no penalty? Majority seems to think it's not a penalty after watching the replay, but I feel otherwise. Is it just me? Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't when there's contact, the player go down, it's a penalty? Doesn't matter if the player exaggerated the fall or not?
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    Son Of Sam Banned

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    It was a dive without a doubt! Rashford went fishing for the contact after the goalkeeper forced him to go wide.
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    TonyMarshall Banned

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    Clear pen, goal keeper should have been sent off.
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    The Azzurri Full Member

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    But could you blame him. The gk was asking for it when he went sprinting out like that but without diverting the ball away. 99% of the players in the world in this situation would have done the same.
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    marukomu The Gatekeeper

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    It wasn't a pen but I don't give a shit. We have been denied a lot more legit ones this season than had them given.
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    amolbhatia50k Sneaky bum time

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    Not a penalty.
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    Eyepopper Lowering the tone since 2006

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    It was a dive, live with it, move on.
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    Client6 New Member

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    Rashford was looking for it, he started going down even before the keeper touched him. "The GK was asking for it", "Doesn't matter if he exaggerated it" etc. are all scenarios that are not valid once Rashford decided to start to go down even before he was touched.

    Not a pen, in fact a yellow for Rashford was a more correct decision.
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    red_devil83 Banned

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    Definitely a dive
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    MyOnlySolskjaer Creator of Player Performance threads

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    It was a dive, hope we don't see any more of this from him. He has a lot of talent and shouldn't need to resort to this.
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    Whiteside1985 Full Member

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    Modern football, innit? Attacking players go down when they feel contact.

    Was a soft penalty, but: you get some, you don't get others. Look at the blatant one that wasn't awarded, away at Palace. I reckon we're about even on dubious decisions over the course of the season.

    The papers & opposition fans will make a big deal of it, because it's United.
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    Android1974 Incredibly anal about player positions in lineups City Lover

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    Have you seen Sané penalty's and even Kane's? Stop riding the moral high horse.
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    Adam-Utd Part of first caf team to complete Destiny raid

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    If you don't go down you don't get anything.

    Let's be honest why should he stay up in that scenario? The goalkeeper is about to clatter him and if his leg is stuck in the ground he could break it or badly injure it. He did the right thing jumping out the way, in my eyes every other team do it so why not try and get a penalty. He nearly won us the game with it.
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    SirMattBugsby Full Member

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    I feel the same way and don't think Rashford did anything blatantly wrong.

    Having said that, he failed at what he tried to do and the correct decision would have been a yellow card for diving as there was no contact. That was the job of the ref, who I felt was in a very bad position to give a decision anyway.
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    Jaybomb Banned

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    He played for the penalty.
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    M4nu4Life Full Member

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    Agree, once you dive in penalty area and you don't get the ball you are in big trouble.
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    It wasn't a pen.

    Finally getting some fortune after some dreadful decisions and luck earlier in the season.

    It was equally as much of a penalty as the City penalty.
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    It's tricky but it would be classified as a dive which is correct. I would like to compare it with like how Aguero went down and covered his face when Fellaini went charging in with slightest contact couple of days back. Would you blame Sergio for the dive or Fellini for creating the situation? Player's milk situations and this is nothing new.
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    It could have been a penalty had Rashford taken one more step and waited for the contact. The goalkeeper does a really good job by rushing him and backing of at the last second, and as long as Rashford goes down without contact, it's a dive no matter what.
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    Diving by Rashford...but the karma back to us, Rooney given us the free kick they scored...Andre gave Sigurdson the clue, and all of us, Manchester United fans felt blue, but that's ok, cause Machester Blue could not win too...

    Dammit, after weekend betting lost, my sense of art for a poem is better....hahahahaha...
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    Crossie Full Member

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    Yes, you can and I do as I blame every dive, regardless of the player: Rashford, Sané, Messi, Ronaldo, Robben, Müller, Reus, etc. It's despicable and one of the reasons I look very much forward to the VR: I hope most dives will be caught, properly booked and subsequently players will show a learning curve.
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    johnamiri Banned

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    In the words of U Boat captain Von Schnitzel Dive Dive Dive
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    Liver_bird Full Member

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    Honestly players are best off going down. The Coutinho desicion pretty much show refs won't call a pen unless the player goes down. You don't get rewarded for trying to play fair .
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    Akshay Moderator Staff

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    I've got no issue with players exaggerating contact to get the official to make the right decision, but not with going down before any contact is made. That said, it's part of the game now, as are myriad other ways of cheating.
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    Not a single reason why it should be accepted. Associations need to give refs every help possible to detect and prevent cheating, and refs have to have the balls to ruthlessly punish those players who do.
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    Clear dive. If we had such a penalty given against us this place would have been outraged.
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    Miscemayl Full Member

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    Dived but don't care.

    Rooney didn't get a blatant penalty last week and there were no one saying Barton should be ashamed of himself pushing Rooney from behind in the penalty area.
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    Rashford was hacked to bits last week against City with no calls and no protection from the referee. Perhaps that's why he is quick to go down today, because he usually stays on his feet in the box even when he has the opportunity to drop.

    With that says, I hope he cuts it out. He hasn't done anything like this before at senior level. Not nice to see.
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    Akshay Moderator Staff

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    I would love for it to be stamped out systematically. Just saying that while it goes unpunished, I can understand players doing it.
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    Not going off this incident alone, but I'd like to see retroactive punishment for diving. If they give match bans for blatant dives it will stop. Strange they haven't already done this.
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    roonster09 Correctly predicted France to win World Cup 2018

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    Dive without any contact is easy to punish but if there is contact then it's hard to make decision. Players like Messi have incredible balance but some players lack that so smallest contact might make them lose balance. Not sure how they will prove that with VR.
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    Penalty every time. By the laws of the game its not but every ref in the league gives it when the player makes sure the contact happens, and every pundit agrees with it.
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    Schmiznurf Full Member

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    Honestly, it wasn't a penalty but we've had a lot of stuff go against us so we deserved something once in a while. The thing is though, we don't know if he went down to get the penalty or not, maybe he didn't, maybe he did.

    From the view of the linesman it was a clear penalty though so it's not one of those decisions that you can blame the ref for. There's a reason he had to look to the linesman and the linesman couldn't see Fabianski pulling his arms back.
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    Jev Full Member

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    You'd have to be completely deluded to see that as a penalty. It was an obvious dive.
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    Why is it moralising to suggest it was a dive? Sané's dive was as bad. Kane's was different. It was a penalty in that the original contact wasn't manipulated. Kane made the most of it but it was different to the other two yesterday.
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    duffer Sensible and not a complete jerk like most oppo's Scout

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    "There was contact" is an argument that I don't truly understand. It's a contact sport, players are allowed to touch each other.

    It was a dive. They all do do it.
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    Pexbo has never watched Star Wars

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    Actually thought Owen described it pretty well, albeit with a strikers bias.

    When a goalkeeper rushes out like that you anticipate a challenge and the first instinct is to avoid it. Getting hit with a foot planted on the floor can lead to a nasty injury so you learn to ride the challenge. Rashford anticipated the contact and took measures to avoid it.


    It's a fancy way of say he dived basically. No escaping the fact but there is a little bit of justification in that there is some self preservation there and if you're going to avoid getting hurt by a clumsy goalkeeper, you're also going to want to make sure you get something out of it too.