The Black Kanchelskis

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    June 2009. Manchester United supporters are recovering from the 'shock' of star player Cristiano Ronaldo transferring to Real Madrid for a record £80milllion sum. Message boards and radio phone ins are contaminated with prospective fantasy wish lists, seemingly no player off limits given such a substantial wedge to blow. Few if any of those lists contained the name of an Ecuadorian winger then plying his trade for Wigan Athletic.

    Luis Antonio Valencia Mosquera had long been linked with the club in the press, but given such rumours are ten a penny with United, and reports that any deal would involve an apparently incredulous fee, there was no guarantee of further interest. When United confirmed the deal, for an undisclosed fee thought to be around the £16million mark, initial reaction was somewhat underwhelming. Even more so by the start of the new season, by which time it was apparent the Valencia signing would be the clubs one major foray in the transfer market that summer.

    Inevitably, Valencia was perhaps unfairly - and yet understandably in the circumstances - compared heavily, and unfavorably, to the departing Ronaldo. How could a relative unknown who'd scored seven goals in three seasons at Wigan possibly replace the current world player of the year, integral to United's hat trick of domestic titles, and consecutive Champions League final appearances? Never mind club top scorer the three previous seasons. A daunting proposition indeed.

    And yet in retrospect, the signing looks inspired. Following a mid season rest, Valencia has come back fresher and sharper than ever, and contributed tellingly to United's best form of the campaign. With ten league games to go, United are already only two strikes off their total goal tally for the previous season, with Valencia having contributed seven directly, and played many a role in providing others. His magnificent first time cross on a plate to Rooney for United?s opener against West Ham recently contributed arguably to one of the best goals in the league this season.

    Personally speaking, the player Valencia most reminds me of is Andrei Kanchelskis. A very direct approach, searing pace, unusual strength for a winger, never scared to run at a player, and a propensity for running to the byline to put a ball across... all traits of the Ukrainian, and mirrored in United's current first choice right winger. The defender may anticipate what the player is going to do, but it's one thing knowing, and another stopping it. That burst of initial acceleration makes the difference between a good winger, and a top class winger. It's difficult to point to a better winger in the game currently.

    Of course there are flaws in his game - most obviously his relative one footedness, not that that ever stopped players like Puskas from becoming all time greats - and it's still early days in his United career yet. But for a 24 year old making a significant step up in his career, to a club with such constant pressure and expectancy, his start has been as impressive as could possibly have been hoped for. Antonio is on the verge of securing the first silverware of his English career with Sundays cup final against Aston Villa on the horizon. All signs suggest it probably won't be his last.
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    Carl has permanently erect nipples

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    Bargain. Absolute fecking bargain.
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    Sultan السلام عليكم و رحمة الله و بركاته

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    Hello mate!

    Great topic. He is fast becoming one of my favourite players. I just love his attitude on the pitch.
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    Ruud_boy_10 Full Member

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    Keeps getting better and better.
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    brilliant read
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    He i so well suited for the Premiership. No nonsense-approach to the game, fast as feck and built like a tank.

    Brilliant post Brad, good to have you back.
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    Tumbling-Dice Caf Nostradamus

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    His workrate is phenomenal.
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    MacMUFC Banned

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    Theres already a Valencia thread right here, can a Mod do us a favour merge this thread with it please?

    ;) Only kidding, good to see you still posing on here. Just because I was in the newbies, doesnt mean I didnt read the mains if you're wondering who the hell I am!

    Great OP anyway, I think Valencia is underrated by a lot of posters on here and particually by the media because I dont think he gets the credit he sometimes deserves. If he'd been signed from Inter Milan/AC/Real Madrid etc by us, he would get far more credit in my opinion, sadly.
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    Brophs The one and only

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    Ridiculous upper body strength for a winger too. He tends to just let full backs bounce into him, and then turn them.
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    top player, develop a left foot and his value will double.
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    Frans Full Member

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    I wouldnt say it was a bargain.

    Valencia is exactly what you should expect for 15m-17m .

    Very good transfer.
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    If he could develop a bit of calmness around the box and goal - he doesn't have it currently despite scoring a few - he'd really be a menace.
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    Brwned Have you ever been in love before?

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    One of our best players this season, which is very impressive in your first season for a club that are looking good to get at least one of the three trophies available.
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    Plechazunga Grammar partisan who sleeps with a real life Ryan

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    Good stuff Brad

    A few minor quibbles...

    Do you mean incredible?

    Woah, adverb clusterfeck!

    Valencia's relatively one-footed in the same way Long John Silver was relatively one-legged.
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    I can see why the comparison with Kan Kan comes in

    However, for me he still has a way to go to be at that level. Kanchelskis used to absolutely rip the piss out of fullbacks AND score goals. Remember his hat-trick against City?
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    Amir Full Member

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    Well, to be fair - there was a fortune of rebound for a couple of those goals. Kanchelskis was a good goal scorer - especially in his last season with us - but he didn't score hat tricks every week.

    But like I said previously, it really is that calmness in front of goal that Valencia needs.
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    Mockney Not the only poster to be named Poster of the Year

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    Song is doing the Kan Kan in that pic
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    Spoony The People's President

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    Is this really Brad?
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    Gambit Desperately wants to be a Muppet

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    I've yet to see Valencia physically dominate a defense like Kanchelskis did. Similar but still a fair few levels below.
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    Spoony The People's President

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    defence.
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    Gambit Desperately wants to be a Muppet

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    Twat.


    Cornflour.
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    There was one game a few weeks ago when he ran the right side of their team completely ragged. They were completely fecked by the end of the game.
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    Raven Blade Dull

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    The Black Kanchelskis? That's racist.

    But I must admit I didnt expect Valencia would be this effective in our team. He's taken a while to warm up but now looks red hot on the right wing. He's consistently producing a supply line for our forwards to feed off and looks very comfortable being a Manchester United player. His potency in front of goal is a big improvement from his Wigan days and I look forward to seeing what further development he will make. Maybe his left foot will become an asset too?
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    beardsleybob Full Member

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    He's got a great opportunity to be indispensable in the team. If he develops a left foot then I can't see him not playing a vital part for us in the next 5 years
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    Brwned Have you ever been in love before?

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    Wigan?
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    I do think this is a good comparison. Admittedly I was only a lad when Kanchelskis was playing but I certainly remember his attributes had similarities with Valencia's. By that I mean he has the usual winger attributes like pace and crossing but also a strength that most defenders won't really expect.
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    Kanchelskis had the charisma of a South American, Valencia has that of an East European.
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    Good read brad :)

    I've been really impressed with Valencia, had big boots to fill on the right wing, done more than okay in my opinion :D
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    EdWeatherall TFD

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    I'm glad to have been proven right about Valencia, always knew he'd create plenty for us, the numbers were clear to see

    He was different to Ronaldo, not the same goals, but would score a decent amount but would directly create more chances for others.

    I'd be delighted if we had a left-footed Valencia for the LW
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    RedDevil [NC] Full Member

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    I would be delighted if our Valencia even had a left foot
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    Romaleouf Full Member

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    Still early days to compare Valencia with Kanchelski but there are similarities.

    Howevers, Valencia could learn to be a bit more selfish like Kanchelski.

    Let's see him do the job against the likes of Liverpool, Fulham, Chelsea and Spurs. Producing crosses which would end up in goals against these teams.
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    johnmufc Banned

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    Good post.

    I have to say that Valencia has far exceeded my expectations. When we signed him, I thought he'd be a good, reliable squad player, like Park Ji-Sung, but never did I expect him to make such an impact. Valencia has been exceptional; losing Ronaldo was obviously a tremendous loss, but in a way it's also refreshing to see a genuine old-fashioned out and out winger doing so well. A great signing, and a great player. :)
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    Valencia is a much much stronger player than I thought he was, you match that with some frightning 10 yard pace and you have a very good winger. 24, first season, massive step up in expectations and playing level, goal tally increase and potential to get better. I think we got a bargain.
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    Nistelrooy10 Tin Foil Hatter

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    You guys are forgetting most important thing in these Valencia threads:

    He turned down Real Madrid
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    RedRonaldo Full Member

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    He's predictable.
    But the way he keep bursting past players and putting a cross in, no one could stop him from doing that.

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