The club giving up on the season at the start of December

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  1. Dec 4, 2018 at 00:38
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    Skills Snitch

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    Can anyone ever remember another major European club doing the same? As in just completely giving up on achieving anything this season, just 4 months after they've sold their season tickets? With Mourinho's comments about top 4 being impossible, it's basically writing off the remainder of this season. We're not even 50% of the way through.

    I'm sure in a few months, the propaganda machine will re-start on how everything will change. A few big name links will start gathering up in the media, just in time for next seasons renewals. I find it a little sickening, for those who have invested so much money into the club (personally I'm not a season ticket holder). Only for the club to not give enough of a shit, after they've taken the match going supporters cash. The hierarchy at the club don't give a shit about the results on the pitch, it's far fetched to think they would care about the product on show.
  2. Dec 4, 2018 at 01:05
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    Dinghy Full Member

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    You're right, I can't remember seeing anything like this from a top club, in any sport. Woodward and the board truly are special.

    "Biggest club in the world"
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    WR10 Correctly predicted France to win World Cup 2018

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    Well, top 4 is probably at the same odds as Leicester winning the league that one season. You can see the players have given up on the league as they have no interest at fighting for Europa.

    Our team will still raise their game for the big games just for their own personal egos but honestly no point to watch any other game this season.

    Game over for Ed - the money will dry soon now that the sentimental value is truly faded.
  4. Dec 4, 2018 at 01:11
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    UncleBob Full Member

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    What's Woodward and the board got to do with Mourinho's comments ? Before the 17/18 season, Mourinho stated we were going to compete for the title, now the notion is that after strengthening the squad, not losing any key players, we'll need luck to get 4th..
  5. Dec 4, 2018 at 01:13
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    Rhyme Animal Modmins said "freeze" and I got numb

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    It's disgraceful. Manchester United needs reshuffling from the top down.

    Fans will start turning away soon - and before anyone chimes in with 'real fans will never turn away', I can assure you that many long time fans view supporting The Glazers as an insult to Man Utd, and I'm starting to understand why...

    I'm not quite there yet myself. But I'm finding it harder and harder to support anything they're connected to.

    I just want them all to go, not just Mourinho.

    I want Man Utd back as a proper football club again.
  6. Dec 4, 2018 at 01:14
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    Marcus Full Member

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    14 games into the season. Manchester United GD -1.
    Nonsense.
  7. Dec 4, 2018 at 01:15
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    spwd likes: servals, breasts, rylan clark and zooey

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    I think they gave up before it started because publicly not backing your manager who only 6 months previous was given an extended contract.

    And before I get jumped on, I’m not saying Maguire or Toby would have won us the league.
  8. Dec 4, 2018 at 01:19
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    Dinghy Full Member

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    Who's allowing this farce to continue?
  9. Dec 4, 2018 at 01:20
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    Green_Red Full Member

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    It's a sad state of affairs. I can see us only winning 1 of our next four fixtures too...

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  10. Dec 4, 2018 at 01:22
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    It's hardly a given that sacking Mourinho is going to do wonders for our season. If there's a lack of decent alternatives, praying for 4th could easily be the least of our worries
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    If we fired him now we'd still have a chance of top 4 imo. It would give the whole club a huge lift especially the players who would start to enjoy their football again. But the owners need to give the green light to Woodward to fire him. Woodward can't fire him without permission, no matter what people think.
  12. Dec 4, 2018 at 01:33
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    Denis79 Full Member

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    I would love to see a bigger change at the club, more than just Mourinho gone. I really believe we need it.
  13. Dec 4, 2018 at 01:35
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    Theonas Full Member Scout

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    We are not going to get relegated and no way are we finishing in the top 4. I am not sure there is much difference between 8th and 17th and at this point with the atmosphere around the club and within the fanbase, I think finishing 17th with anybody else is better than 8th with that charlatan.
  14. Dec 4, 2018 at 01:38
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    UncleBob Full Member

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    Ofcourse we can still finish top 4
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    We're obviously focusing on the Champions League this year....

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    We're already eight points off the pace in a season where it's looking like it'll take around 75-80 points to secure a top four spot unless two of Chelsea, Arsenal and Spurs really drop off. Presuming they don't we pretty much have to maintain the sort of form that would have us competing for the title from now until the end of the season. Pretty much an impossibility when you consider that we've already dropped 20 points at the start of December.
  17. Dec 4, 2018 at 04:22
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    Seven Seas Sardines Full Member

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    Must be the dead rubber against Valencia's reserve team? You're being optimistic if you think we can perform a miracle against Fulham.
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    There is a disease at the club.
  19. Dec 4, 2018 at 05:50
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    Raees Legal Guardian of the Football forums

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    Can we not sue them for breach of directors duties under the companies act? I can’t see how they have acted in the clubs best interests here by doing this or even under the consumer act?
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    WR10 Correctly predicted France to win World Cup 2018

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    Table might give a slight glimmer of hope but watching the football eliminates that. We are fighting for 6/7th. It’s clear as day
  21. Dec 4, 2018 at 07:42
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    Swearing Budgie New Member

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    I don't watch Utd any more but I am going to buy one of the official tractors.
  22. Dec 4, 2018 at 07:47
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    Judas Open to offers

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    To be honest, I'd given up on this season in August. It was obvious this was going to be a disaster of a year before a ball was even kicked. My only "hope" was sneaking a top 4 finish, that's gone now.
  23. Dec 4, 2018 at 08:18
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    Would be sweet if there was a way to make them accountable for their negligence
  24. Dec 4, 2018 at 08:20
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    Yeah I knew that shit would hit the fan this season, but the club can't look at it the same way.

    They should still feel accountable to the paying fans.
  25. Dec 4, 2018 at 08:23
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    VorZakone What would Kenny G do?

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    CL win incoming.
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    The Last Jedaiiii New Member

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    This. We should as they are literally stealing from the fans
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    Nate Dogg Don't Make Me Angry

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    I can see City dominating for the next 10-20 years whilst there is a distinct possibility we will fall into a state mediocrity unless there is change from top to bottom.
  29. Dec 4, 2018 at 08:45
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    Chelsea sacked Jose 17th December 2015 when the club were just one point from relegation.

    Utd are currently 13 points better off. Even if they lose their next 3 matches and the bottom 3 all win theirs Utd are still in a better position.

    Luxury.
  30. Dec 4, 2018 at 09:19
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    Skills Snitch

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    That's the only other example I can think. Interestingly why did Chelsea take so long to sack him?

    You guys basically threw away a year of Hazard's prime. And if you had qualified for the CL, I reckon Conte's first season Chelsea would've been in with a shout to win it.
  31. Dec 4, 2018 at 09:24
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    KM I’m afraid I just blue myself Staff

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    Are you serious here?
  32. Dec 4, 2018 at 09:43
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    Pyro19 New Member

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    What's with us and giving our staff over-inflated contract renewals halfway into their terms. Happened with Rooney, Fellaini and now Jose.
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    GBBQ Full Member

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    AC Milan in the past few years have been similarly underwhelming for a European super power.
  34. Dec 4, 2018 at 09:48
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    They gave up on it in August.

    This was entirely predictable in the summer (Mourinho himself even publicly predicted it). Nobody can say they weren't warned.
  35. Dec 4, 2018 at 09:53
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    Raees Legal Guardian of the Football forums

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    Absolutely.

    S172 of the Companies Act - Duty to promote the success of the company.

    To promote the success of the company: A director must act in a way he considers, in good faith, would be most likely to promote the success of the Company for the benefit of the members as a whole. There are factors that a director should take into account. These include, but are not limited to:


    - the likely consequences of the decision in the long term;

    - the interests of the company’s employees;

    - the impact of the decision on the Company’s reputation; and

    - the need to act fairly as between the members.

    S 174 - Duty to exercise reasonable care, skill and diligence

    A director must exercise the same skill, care and diligence as would be expected of (1) a reasonably diligent person with the level of general knowledge, skill and experience that may reasonably be expected of the person carrying out the functions of that director in relation to the Company and (2) the actual knowledge, skill and experience of that director. If a director has, for example, specialist knowledge of a subject, then he will be expected to exercise the skills commensurate with that knowledge (having regard to his functions and specific responsibilities).

    To avoid conflicts of interest: A director must avoid situations where he might have a direct or indirect interest that would conflict with the interests of the Company. This is not the same as the duty to declare an interest in a proposed transaction or arrangement with the Company. Conflicts that do arise may be authorised by the other independent directors, the members or the Company’s constitution.

    The FA have a document confirming that footballing directors are bound by the Companies Act 2006 including other common law duties such as:
    • the duty to act bona fide in the interests of the Company;

    • the duty to act for proper purposes/ not for any collateral purpose (e.g. not for personal gain, or with a conflicting interest);
    You could put together a decent argument (perhaps not enough to be successful but enough to get a claim going) that Woodward has definitely not acted in the club's best interests by a) refusing to back manager in transfer window but more importantly b) failing to pull the trigger when the club is absolute free fall and its reputation is taking a massive hit. He's basically sitting back and not acting in the clubs interests. One could argue that the contract renewals he is offering left right and centre, and the entirety of his tenure he has lacked the requisite skill, care and diligence expected of someone in such an important role at a football club - he lacks the footballing expertise to be employed in such a role. Final point is does he act more in the interests of the Glazers than he does in the actual football club? are their interests compared to that of the club as aligned as they once were or are the Glazers looking to get out of the club soon and DGAF about how the club is being run? or is his 'personal vendetta' against Mourinho blinding him to taking actions which are best for the club?
  36. Dec 4, 2018 at 09:55
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    Djemba-Djemba Full Member

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    I could see this disaster season coming before a ball was even kicked as most sane people could.

    We went into a brand new season with our manager talking about how shit we were, it's disgraceful.
  37. Dec 4, 2018 at 09:58
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    Sylar Full Member

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    Our players gave up on the league about the same time last season after the home loss to City.
    At least they played for second.

    This season was a disaster before it began with the manager not being backed (I get not wanting to swap Martial for Willian) - but we should have got a CB at least.
    Too much has been made publicly about how disastrous this season was gonna be that its actually happening.
  38. Dec 4, 2018 at 10:02
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    Blind loyalty to a club legend probably. We started badly but then a few good results came through and we persevered. Then a couple of draws and then a win. Then a defeat and a draw. Then a win and another draw or defeat. Every result was a rollercoaster and in the meantime the team didn't appear to have any leaders and good players were playing badly. There was always the hope that Jose would turn it around, even at the end.

    Nobody knows what happened with Hazard that year. I heard a wild rumour that he was having it off with female doctor who ran onto the pitch and upset Jose. Nonsense really so I haven't a clue. I don't know what happened.

    We finished tenth that season and were nowhere near qualifying for CL. I was stunned the following season and Conte should have been respected a bit more the following season. The fact we didn't have any European distractions really helped with the PL campaign.
  39. Dec 4, 2018 at 10:06
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    Lowkey Full Member

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    Club giving up in December? Mourinho had thrown the towel in during pre-season when he basically flamed the whole team and said the defence was rubbish and Pogba was a flop. He even had the absolute cheek to tell American fans not to come and watch United in pre-season. Absolute joke

    He gave up before the season started.
  40. Dec 4, 2018 at 10:06
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    Absolutely no way. We are 8 points behind so whoever that new manager would be would have to constantly win while other teams drop, it's not realistic. This season is done no matter what. There was time to salvage it but we have gone past that now and they have given up. There is no coming back from this. Look at our remaining fixtures, we'll finish 6th at best.