The club giving up on the season at the start of December

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  1. Dec 4, 2018 at 10:12
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    I'm not sure if I buy that tbh. I remember in LVGs first how frustrating it was just playing once a week. A bad result took longer to put behind you, and two in a row would compound the misery for a full 2 weeks..

    Europa League is horrid because of the Thursday-Sunday games but CL fixtures are quite easy to manage imo.
  2. Dec 4, 2018 at 10:15
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    And the club did nothing about it when it was happening or its still happening. Mourinho's representing the club, and if they're not going to publically condemn his actions, for me they are as good as endorsing them.
  3. Dec 4, 2018 at 10:16
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    If we pulled the trigger earlier, top 4 would've been salvageable. But now it's too late, the gap is too much and we're chasing too many teams.
  4. Dec 4, 2018 at 10:21
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    @Raees given the fact that we're having record revenues and profits, I'm
  5. Dec 4, 2018 at 10:23
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    Alternatively, Jose did his best to go the way it did. I mean there is a difference between a difficult season and the season we have. Should be clear by now that Jose gave up early himself, how early is anybody's guess. He didnt get the backing he wanted in the transfermarket to have a chance at a title push and he doesnt care for the rest. He doesnt want to be here long term and he also wants titles. If he cant get them, he leaves and sets the place on fire to get as much money as possible. If he wins, he leaves. If he doesnt win, he leaves too. Thats Jose and we see it at every club, win or lose.
  6. Dec 4, 2018 at 10:27
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    Woodward should have been escorted out the stadium on the Leicester game on the first night. It'd take 10 fans at most to force him out of his seat as a symbolic gesture.

    It can still happen but yes its far too late for this season, as it probably was on the opening day.
  7. Dec 4, 2018 at 10:29
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    Yes which is a strong case for him not being in breach but what use is that record revenues and profits if it is mostly going in the pockets of the Glazers and the footballing side of things is diabolical and so clearly being run into the ground. In the short term the glazers are benefiting financially from the club still being a behemoth from the reputation built from the SAF era but once things go down hill and they bring the club to its knees they will cut loose and sail into the horizon without taking a hit. I’m not saying this will definitely happen - I believe they will still want the club to get it right but there needs to be some way of holding that cnut Woodward into account on the footballing front.
  8. Dec 4, 2018 at 10:34
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    We're a joke of a club, simple. It's almost embarrassing how far we've fallen in the space of 5 fecking years.

    You know what's even worse? There doesn't seem to be a way out of this demise. There are no worthy managers available and we have a squad stacked with shit players. In the current market it would take us at least 3 seasons to replace our squad excl. Shaw, Martial, Pogba & De Gea. In those 3 years would we even hold on to 3/4 of those worthy players? Probably not.

    While trying to get great players in, we have to compete with much more promising destinations (Madrid, Barcelona, Juventus, Bayern, City & Liverpool). Which will probably lead to even more overpaid mediocre players.

    Its sad but true.
  9. Dec 4, 2018 at 10:36
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    Same here, it's sad what this club has become.
    I told friends before the season started that the only positive is that City are too strong for Liverpool, which is a depressing outlook on things but unfortunately it's the truth l.
  10. Dec 4, 2018 at 10:46
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    Agree. This season was a write-off before it even started.

    The board clearly don't want Mourinho. If they did, they'd have come out and defended him and they wouldn't have veoted his signings.

    But they don't want to pay to sack Mourinho, or generate any share price turbulence from doing it, so they're going to wait until the end of the season before parting ways.

    So basically we're sleepwalking towards the Europa League, at best.
  11. Dec 4, 2018 at 10:49
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    Mourinho's MO is something Woodward and the rest of the board were presumably well-aware of when they hired him, because, as you said, he behaves the same way at every club.

    So, either Woodward and the rest of the board knew this disaster was coming and did nothing to avert it, or they had no idea it was coming because they hadn't bothered to do any due diligence on Mourinho before they hired him. They are either negligent or incompetent (or possibly both).
  12. Dec 4, 2018 at 10:54
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    Woodward is not to blame.

    He's supplied Mourinho with plenty of money for transfers. Toby Alderweireld for £75M with one year left on contract? It makes no financial sense. Great decision by Woodward. Maguire? Good player but is his defending really that solid?

    Mourinho is the primary cause, 90%, of this failure. His team selections have been appauling, his interviews depressing and has an attitude like a big baby. He should have been sacked at the end of last season, and I wanted him gone end at the end of the first season too.

    The secondary cause is the players. No charisma, no bravery, just happy to pass the ball side to side, forwards 10 yards and then backwards. Repeat. Show some urgency ffs, some drive, some'balls', play with charisma.
  13. Dec 4, 2018 at 11:15
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    They'll take a massive hit if the value of the football club falls significantly.
  14. Dec 4, 2018 at 11:18
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    This is absolute paranoia from me. But it wouldn't surprise me if Jose had picked Carrick and Mckenna as his assistants in part to make it harder to sack him as we don't have a competent number 2 to fill in until a suitable replacement was found. Also, the earth is flat.
  15. Dec 4, 2018 at 11:22
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    Woodward is absolutely to blame for Mourinho still having his job.
  16. Dec 4, 2018 at 11:24
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    Well, it doesn't. As an example in 2018, 95% of revenues went into operating expenses.
  17. Dec 4, 2018 at 12:02
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    Understood - fair enough, but regardless if money is being thrown around or not - IMO no one can criticize them for not having invested back into the club, but the question of whether or not they have mis-managed the club from a pure football perspective (which is surely the main purpose of our club/business) is one they can't necessarily escape from.
  18. Dec 4, 2018 at 12:05
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    Thats if we believe that we can't go on a good run. City may not drop many points but the rest will. We just need to go on a good run which is more than possible with the players at Jose's disposal. If he cant even get us on a good run of 10 games then he's done as a manager, not just at United
  19. Dec 4, 2018 at 12:05
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  20. Dec 4, 2018 at 12:50
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    The manager had given up before a ball was kicked, it was obvious this was going to happen.

    The board/owners dealt with this by ignoring it and hoping everything would be ok, it’s what they are still doing and will probably continue to do.
  21. Dec 4, 2018 at 13:44
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    I agree but I believe that it's very important to not create problems that the club doesn't have, this football club spend like a drunken sailor, that's the issue. It's not that the owners are "stealing" money or the board is being cheap. The issue is that we lost our only source of football expertise when SAF left and we have never actually replaced it adequately, as long as the board do not understand that SAF was unique and that he isn't replaceable with a single person, we will have the same issues.
  22. Dec 4, 2018 at 13:45
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    Agreed.
  23. Dec 4, 2018 at 14:36
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    Makes zero sense. We're barely in December. Top 4 is 8 points away, which is a lot, but also the teams you're competing with aren't exactly manchester city. Still in the CL R16, worse sides than this United have won it

    I just don't get it
  24. Dec 4, 2018 at 14:37
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    What you describe is probably the cause of the problems we have today and a correct conclusion. More knowledge about how the football works today is needed in the management. Money is there and maybe even the will to get better, although it's hard to believe right now, but the ability is lacking.

    Then we have other problems also, not least in the squad, but the reason for them is the basic error in the management. To rely entirely on Mourinho's football skills that are also starting to feel quite outdated have obviously not worked well.
  25. Dec 4, 2018 at 14:48
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    We're 8 points behind not 28 points. Of course we still have a chance.
  26. Dec 4, 2018 at 15:17
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    The club just lacks ambition. It's the root of most of our problems after Fergie.
  27. Dec 4, 2018 at 15:44
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    Wouldn’t be surprised at all if we get two or three good results from these fixtures. That’s been a pattern with Mourinho. Pulling good results out of our arse when we’re looking at our lowest ebb. Of course, all it achieves is prolonging the inevitable.
  28. Dec 4, 2018 at 16:05
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    Was watching a dvd of the 01-02 season a bit back and we were on a terrible run of form that year and 9th place by December 8th following three successive defeats. We turned it around big style afterwards and we were in the mix for the title and champions league up until the end of the season. Obviously it's unfair to compare the quality of that United side with this one but I just don't see a strong enough mentality from the players or the leadership from the manager to go on that kind of winning streak. It really does feel pretty hopeless
  29. Dec 4, 2018 at 16:14
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    The real parasites here are the Glazers.
  30. Dec 4, 2018 at 16:15
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    same here, it was absolutely preventable from the beginning that we would have been in this state at this point
  31. Dec 4, 2018 at 20:02
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    Cliffhanger much.
  33. Dec 4, 2018 at 22:41
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    Even a good run will only have us competing for the top four though: to be assured of getting it we pretty much need to consistently hit title-contending form from now till the end of the season, which isn't happening. And even then, we're relying on two of the current top five dropping off significantly, which seems fairly unlikely to happen this season. They'll hit bad patches, sure, but barring a collapse I doubt any of them will have a sub-70 point season.
  34. Dec 5, 2018 at 13:48
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    They lasted longer than I did. From the close of the transfer window I thought this was going to be a long painful season, which will likely be a right off. And unfortunately that is looking more certain each week. Admittedly I didn't think we would be this poor, but fighting for fourth place is the best we can manage this year. Can just pray we get some fancy cup run.

    What we need to start to see is some actual progress and build for future seasons. At this point we seem to just falling further down with nothing being done to rectify.
  35. Dec 5, 2018 at 13:51
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    Anyone who thinks Manchester United's brand will hold its value with sponsors as a spent force is off their rocker.

    Careful Ed, clock is running, and by my reckoning, you'll soon be dead.
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    Agreed. It seems the club are happy with their status as the most followed football club in the world without being concerned about the football side of things. This is exactly why we need a DoF. Ed can look into the sponsorship and the DoF in running the club.
  37. Dec 5, 2018 at 14:09
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    No club has ever made up for such a deficit by around this time in recent memory. Usually a team that's 8 points behind falls further behind.
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    Teams have won the league being further behind.
  39. Dec 5, 2018 at 15:01
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    It's almost like there's certain reasons why we're so far behind already. Those reasons/causes just don't disappear.
  40. Dec 5, 2018 at 15:07
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    On the 4th placed team? Because thats very different to chasing the title winning team who will win basically every game.

    The team in 4th is going to drop a lot more points. I'd be very surprised if that was the case.