The Maciek's League Table (what it actually looks like)

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  1. Dec 12, 2018

    Rifer Full Member

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    Such a big difference between the two era.
    And that's despite Fergie's United known to be slow starter.

    2016/17 only big problem is finishing vs small teams. Costly problem despite the fairly good football.

    2017/18 is an anomaly -- Goals galore and tight defense.
    • Fantastic start with Pogba and Mkhi producing magics (stopped early after Pogba's injury)
    • Lukaku and Matic on consistent good forms
    • Left wing duel between Martial/Rashford
    • Martial is in good form always contributing goals/assists
    • Lingod towards end of December
    • Young and Valencia in great form
    • Easier to focus parking the bus when you're confident the winning goals will come and starting 11 mostly are in good forms.
    Fast forward to present, the two 'key' problems Mou insist on having almost every game -- starting both Lukaku and Matic whom are on terrible run of bad forms.
  2. Dec 12, 2018

    Patrick08 Full Member

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    It's not that hard. The difference is how matic influenced games when he started with us to how he waned later on along with this season. Similar can be said about lukaku.
  3. Dec 12, 2018

    Rifer Full Member

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    Try putting the league pts on both sides for your next MALTR.

    I bet it'll look better, eg.
    26-------------------- Manchester United ---------------------26
    25 ----------------------------------------------------------------25
    24 ----------------------------------------------------------------24
    23----------------- Everton, Bournemouth -------------------23
    22---------------- Leicester, Wolverhampton ----------------22
    :cool:Like a race track of EPL teams racing to the finish line.

    Your OP @Maciek still looks the best and neat-est.
  4. Dec 12, 2018

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    Don't worry, we'll win the Champions League this year and automatically qualify for next year ;-)
  5. Dec 12, 2018

    Unitedssss New Member

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    If we don't make ucl it will be a big upset to all of Manchester United.

    And (hopefully) the end of the Mourinho reign.
  6. Dec 16, 2018

    Maciek Known for "good moanings" not only in the morning

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    Twenty points more and we would have been first.

    Eighteen points fewer and... we would have been 20th.

    45 - Liverpool
    44 - Manchester City
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    39 - Tottenham
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    37 - Chelsea
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    34 - Arsenal
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    26 - Manchester United
    25 - Wolverhampton
    24 - Everton, West Ham, Watford
    23 - Bournemouth
    22 - Leicester
    21 - Brighton
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    16 - Newcastle
    15 - Crystal Palace
    14 - Cardiff
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    12 - Southampton, Burnley
    11 -
    10 - Huddersfield
    9 - Fulham
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  7. Dec 16, 2018

    Bola Full Member

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    The very definition of mid table!
  8. Dec 16, 2018

    VanHaal'sRedArmy Full Member

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    Forget Champions League, forget Europa League. Sack the manager, hire some analytical minds, and appoint a sporting director.
  9. Dec 24, 2018

    Maciek Known for "good moanings" not only in the morning

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    After 18 games:

    48 - Liverpool
    47 -
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    45 -
    44 - Manchester City
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    42 - Tottenham
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    37 - Chelsea, Arsenal
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    29 - Manchester United
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    27 - Watford
    26 - Bournemouth
    25 - Leicester, Wolverhampton
    24 - Everton, West Ham
    23 -
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    21 - Brighton
    20 -
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    18 - Crystal Palace
    17 - Newcastle
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    15 - Southampton
    14 - Cardiff
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    12 - Burnley
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    10 - Huddersfield, Fulham
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  10. Dec 24, 2018

    RedCoffee Rants that backfired

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    This may turn out to be a lengthy table in a couple of months. Not a bad idea though as it highlights the gaps in performance better.
  11. Dec 24, 2018

    zing Zingle balls

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    Why not cut the table after the bottom team(s)?
  12. Dec 26, 2018

    Ibrahimorich New Member

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    I agree. There's no point in having points below the bottom team/s
  13. Dec 26, 2018

    Sky1981 Fending off the urge

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    Is this the start of our discreetly descend into the aplt?
  14. Dec 26, 2018

    devlinadl New Member

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    It’s supposed to be a visual representation of the table, and cutting off the bottom impacts on that. For instance, it might give the impression that Burnley hasn’t three times as many points as Fulham.
  15. Dec 26, 2018

    Rightnr Full Member

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    This is a good way of looking at it. Personally, if you wanted to really geek out, I'd normalise the distance by the average points per game needed for top 4 (e.g. 2.25). This would put us above 3 games of average points behind 4th at the moment.
  16. Dec 26, 2018

    Maciek Known for "good moanings" not only in the morning

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    Right now, we're chasing them and getting those shit mid-table teams behind us.

    51 - Liverpool
    50 -
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    48 -
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    45 - Tottenham
    44 - Manchester City
    43 -
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    40 - Chelsea
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    38 - Arsenal
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    32 - Manchester United
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    28 - Leicester
    27 - Everton, Watford
    26 - Wolverhampton, Bournemouth
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    24 - West Ham
    23 -
    22 - Brighton
    21 -
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    19 - Crystal Palace
    18 -
    17 - Newcastle
    16 -
    15 - Southampton, Cardiff
    14 -
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    12 - Burnley
    11 - Fulham
    10 - Huddersfield
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  17. Dec 26, 2018

    Thiagoal Full Member

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    Love this table idea! Bravo! Really shows visually the real difference between the teams
  18. Dec 27, 2018

    sunama Baghdad Bob

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    This is a good table.
    At this point we are still far away from CFC and AFC.
    And we are slap bang in the middle of the table.
  19. Dec 27, 2018

    AgentP Full Member

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    I'm not too worried about Arsenal. If we put up a run, we'll be able to catch up with them. Chelsea is the team that will be hard to displace. With Hazard in this majestic form, I can't see them dropping too many points.
  20. Dec 27, 2018

    Sassy Colin Death or the gladioli!

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    Only 12 points behind City, that's where we should be aiming for.
  21. Dec 27, 2018

    crossy1686 Full Member

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    We're not as far off as people think. City aren't the same team this year and no one else besides Liverpool is making strides. We could end up finishing third behind Spurs and Liverpool this year if we continue to win against the smaller teams and take points off the teams above us. I just feel like anything is possible at the moment.
  22. Dec 27, 2018

    Maciek Known for "good moanings" not only in the morning

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    I admire your optimism, guys.

    This season was finished two weeks ago. As much as I like to see us playing nice football and getting positive results, let's not expect us to overtake both Arsenal and Chelsea.

    Remember that nobody expects us to get into the top four, but we may actually have good cup runs.
  23. Dec 27, 2018

    Judas Open to offers

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    Imagine not being optimistic in December, new manager, good feeling around the club, just don't get not being positive and hoping for the best. Long way to go.
  24. Dec 27, 2018

    TwoSheds More sheds (and tiles) than you, probably

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    6 points behind at the half way mark but better squad than both of the other clubs and a bit of momentum building, I really don't see the point in writing off top 4 just yet. It won't be a failure (on Ole's part) if we don't make it but it's certainly achievable.
  25. Dec 27, 2018

    Adam-Utd Part of first caf team to complete Destiny raid

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    People are just remaining pessimistic.

    Clearly it’s not over just like the title race isn’t over, but if you concede early you won’t be disappointed at the end. If we manage it then everybody will be surprised/happy.

    It’ll still be tricky as we cannot slip up but they can accord 2 losses in that time, so it’s still looking doubtful. we will have to beat them at home for sure.

    This season now is more about rebuilding the team confidence and structure ready for the new manager.
  26. Dec 27, 2018

    dove Full Member

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    It’s 8 points or more like 9 because of GD. Possible but really difficult.
  27. Dec 27, 2018

    worldinmotion66 Full Member

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    City have had a blip, but they are miles ahead of us and we have absolutely no chance of catching them. They just happen to be missing the best defensive midfielder in the world.

    Our target should be arsenal, and if we can catch them then our target becomes Chelsea. The ultimate goal is to improve and set a foundation that will allow us to play attacking football again. It's a good start but we need to understand how far we've fallen.
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    RyRy11 Full Member

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    Top 4 is definitely possible as long as the results keep coming, we really need to beat both Chelsea and Arsenal to make sure! Also mental how we’ve gained 6 points on city and we are still 12 points behind.
  29. Dec 27, 2018

    Tony247 Full Member

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    We are not going to finish top 4. We should now focus on qualifying CL by winning CL this season. Finishing 5th or 10th does not matter. All planning should go for CL matches. Let PL be the training and warm up for CL this season.

    This team can win CL.
  30. Dec 27, 2018

    tomaldinho1 Full Member

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    You should probably let Ole know this, probably won't try to win it otherwise
  31. Dec 27, 2018

    TwoSheds More sheds (and tiles) than you, probably

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    Mourinho, are you there?
  32. Dec 29, 2018

    RedIan Full Member

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    Great idea showing real positions. We can only go out and win our own games now, finishing in the top 4 obviously relies on arsenal and chelsea having a poor 2nd half to the season. One game at a time and see where we are. As long as im enjoying watching games again im happy.
  33. Dec 29, 2018

    sullydnl Ross Kemp's caf ID

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    This was a good idea for a thread btw, keep it going.
  34. Dec 30, 2018

    Maciek Known for "good moanings" not only in the morning

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    Today I present you a different (and longer) way of this table.

    Just to show that Liverpool haven't won anything yet (although I don't want to say that they're not so good, this year they really are).

    ***


    102 - Points needed to secure the title (as it stands today)
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    54 - Liverpool
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    47 - Manchester City
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    45 - Tottenham
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    43 - Chelsea
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    38 - Arsenal
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    29 - Wolverhampton
    28 - Leicester, Watford
    27 - Everton, West Ham
    26 - Bournemouth
    25 - Brighton
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    19 - Crystal Palace
    18 - Newcastle, Cardiff
    17 -
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    15 - Southampton, Burnley
    14 - Fulham

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  35. Dec 30, 2018

    devlinadl New Member

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    Surely the number of points needs to secure the title should be 90? Man City are currently scoring points at an averag of 2.35 per game. Over a 38 game season, that extrapolates to 89.3, so 90 should be sufficient.
  36. Dec 30, 2018

    Skills Snitch

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    That's assuming they pick up the points at the same rate. In an ideal scenario it able be :

    No. of games left for team in second * 3 + 1.

    So in this case it would be 102 because if Liverpool get 102, City can do nothing about it.
  37. Dec 30, 2018

    devlinadl New Member

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    OK if it’s a theoretical limit, but I think the idea that two teams are going get over 100 points when it’s never been done before by any team is a touch unrealistic.
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    Sassy Colin Death or the gladioli!

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    Yeh, you don't understand how the table works.
  39. Dec 31, 2018

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    :lol:
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    sunama Baghdad Bob

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    We are no longer slap bang in the middle. We are now firmly in the top half and reeling Arsenal in.
    As someone said earlier in this thread, AFC can be overtaken, but CFC, who are still far ahead, are going to be difficult.