The need for creativity in our squad

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  1. Mar 22, 2019

    RC89 Full Member

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    We severely lack intelligent movement. You look at City and sometimes it's a simple straight forward ball that looks brilliant because the receiver has moved across the back line and completely exploited the space. Our players rarely use such intelligent movement.
  2. Mar 23, 2019

    Walters_19_MuFc Full Member

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    Adding to this, I look at the way Pogba plays for France and wonder if we could get a number 10, playing Pogba deeper against the teams we need to break down. Basically what Mourinho used to do with him.

    Teams we dominate:

    Number 10 (Dybala, Fekir, etc)
    Herrera Pogba

    Teams we need to be solid against

    Striker
    Winger Pogba Fekir
    Matic Herrera
  3. Mar 30, 2019

    Aloysius's Back 3 Full Member

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    There we go - another game where fans talk about Rashford & Martials problems of dribbling too much, passing too much, not making runs in behind the defence.

    The problem is clear - these strikers we have are making chances for themselves rather than having chances created for them. The most clear cut chance created today only came from Shaw & these type of passes are what strikers in our squad need & yet we get maybe only one or 2 chances a game.

    How good would Aguero be for our squad? Better than Martial & Rashford sure - but no way would he be able to get the number he gets at city because he spends half the time getting chances from the likes of Silva & de bryune centrally whilst getting cut backs and width chances from the likes of Sane, Mahrez & sterling never mind the rest of the team like fullbacks etc.

    Rashford & Martial are players that spend most of their time creating chances for themselves. The few times they get a chance like Shaw's pass today - they put it in the back of the net.

    The lack of creativity in our squad has been seen under LVG, under Jose and now under Ole.

    Pogba is an average to good creator as a CM; but cant be the only midfielder that creates chances for us.

    Mata as RW was nothing for anybody and soon as he went to AM then it started to open up chances more. We need more of these type of players creating chances for our strikers - then they spend less time trying to dribble and creating chances for themselves.

    Aguero at our club would be better than our strikers no doubt -but he would never score 20 goals a season or more. How many tap in chances do we produce? Absolutely nothing.
  4. Apr 13, 2019

    Aloysius's Back 3 Full Member

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    Need ball playing defenders ( we miss the calmness and creativity of Blind)

    Need a midfielder with creativity - pogba is not creative enough to be our own source of passing.

    Need a creator who plays through balls as an AM or False 9.

    Getting hard to watch what we do with the ball.
  5. Apr 15, 2019

    Resch Full Member

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    Our lack of creativity could be covered by tactics. A mixture of high pressing and counter attacking could work for us. If you win the ball, attack fast and direct. If you loose the ball, try to press and recover the ball as fast as possible. If you can not recover the ball within 3-5 Sek. Sit back. We are not good enough to controll the MF, so the best thing could be not useing it.
  6. Apr 15, 2019

    mark_a Full Member

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    I think it's pretty obvious that the lack of spark/creativity is what slows us down. So our attacks are laboured and slow (again). We also drop off and don't press and end up with lacklustre performances like the one vs. West Ham. Yes we won, but it was unconvincing and we manage to make teams playing us look sharp!
    What we've seen under Ole has been nothing short of a miracle, but the miracle has ground to a halt, at least partly because you can't just erase how the players were drilled under Mourinho.

    We've plenty to be thankful for, i.e. we've got some spirit back, which is a key thing many have bemoaned over the last few years. The PSG game was a great example of that. There are also many positives in terms of young players who have stepped up to look deserving of the shirt: Rashford, Lindelof, Shaw, McTominay etc.. Now maybe Fred after a couple of decent showings.
  7. Apr 15, 2019

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    Lingard makes some decent runs (even that he isn't doing nowadays) but doesn't have the ability on the ball to do anything with it.

    Martial has zero creativity despite having a few assists. He can't make a decent run or thread a good pass.

    Lukaku can actually make clever passes. But his technical ability let's him down. Without a good first touch, he gives the opposition too much time to adjust to the threat.

    Rashford is the only one who has a proper mix of everything you need from a forward. Makes great runs, has good technique, can finish(needs to work on headers and one v one situations) and can also pick out a pass.

    In our midfield, we have Pogba. One of the most creative midfielders in the world. We need better movement upfront to make him even more dangerous. The other two midfielders have no creativity or guile.

    Finally, the full backs can't cross to save their lives. Atleast Shaw can play some clever passes and link up. Young can't do anything.

    Get Sancho, Bruno Fernandes and an attacking right back. That will solve most of our problems. The rest can be worked on in training.
  8. Apr 15, 2019

    golden_blunder Site admin. Manchester United fan Staff

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    We need to identify how we’re going to setup and then get the players to fit. No more square pegs in round holes or building a team around 1 specific player such as Pogba - that’s too easy to nullify
  9. Apr 15, 2019

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    I agree with most of that. If we had creativity or at least decent movement from the right it would help. Someone else alongside Pogba that can create would be another huge help and improvement on the left wouldn't go amiss. Someone to cover for Pogba when his form goes to shit would be useful too, we need to be able to drop him at times because when he's not on it he's no use to us on the pitch.

    I think we need too much to get in one or two windows, it's going to be a long slow process.
  10. Apr 15, 2019

    StrettyEnder07 New Member

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    Massive lack of creativity right through the center of our side at the moment, few signings should sort that out and have to say I was massively impressed with Rice at the weekend thought he looked quality in that DMC position.

    We need someone mobile enough to do that job as Matic is just a liability now and always needs help, Pogba has no chance as at the moment he has no other creative players around him, Martial is offering zero, nothing from the right and nothing from our full backs.

    Alderweireld/Koulibaly
    Bruno Fernandes
    Rice/Neves
    Sancho/Pepe/Brooks
    Wan Biasska/Munier

    And if Lukaku wants to play in Italy, straight swap for Icardi who is available for 52m by all accounts.

    Any one of the above in each position would be a top top summer, getting rid of the deadwood in the process.
  11. Apr 15, 2019

    OleTheGreat New Member

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    We have extremely creative players in our squad. We just need to be confident on the ball and exclude players like Young and Smalling (old school).
  12. Apr 15, 2019

    StrettyEnder07 New Member

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    Pogba, I hear Martial is creative but he has done sod all for about 6 months, Rashford just shoots every time he has the ball within 40 yards, Lukaku top finisher but not creative, Sanchez not for 18 months, Mata not for about 3 years, Lingard/Fred/Pereira/McTom/Herrera/Matic/Shaw/Young wouldn't call any of them creative, Dalot has a good ball and the potential to be a creative full back.

    So basically you have Pogba who has the talent and awareness to be a consistent creative player, the rest, not for me.
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    Tibs Full Member

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    Need a lethal goal scorer more than anything who isn't going to shit themselves in front of goal, or with the touch of an elephant
  14. Apr 15, 2019

    ArjenIsM3 Full Member

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    Bit sad init :lol:
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    Valencia Shin Crosses Full Member

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    I've said that the secret weakness in our squad is the CM that can create alongside Pogba. Doesn't have to be Xavi but has to have some ability going forward. Herrera got exposed in the PSG leg at Old Trafford because they dared him to beat them and he was hopeless.
  16. Apr 16, 2019

    Axle17 New Member

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    I agree with a lot of what is being said. I think the issue we have is our "attackers" had no former player to help their transition or development.
    If only we kept a Chicharito or RVP instead of defenders who can't show them a thing!

    Personally I think we need a major rebuild
  17. Apr 16, 2019

    Aloysius's Back 3 Full Member

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    Do we have 2 players that can pass like someone from Barcelona?
  18. Apr 18, 2019

    OleTheGreat New Member

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    Of course we cannot compare ourselves to the likes of Barca, but i think we can handle most teams on the planet if we bought a couple of players and create the balance and strength at the back.
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    Raw Full Member

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    I feel like quite a few of them can do, but their movement is utter shit. They give themselves no space to showcase their passing ability. There are slight glimpses of top passing moves here and there, but they're just glimpses. Never consistent.

    That Martial goal v Cardiff is a good example of what the players can do. It's only Cardiff sure, but it was still a sequence of slick, decisive passing that broke down a defence. We are capable, it's just we don't do it so much now for whatever reason. Could be a mentality issue, could be a shift in tactics or maybe the players are just inconsistent shites. Who knows.
  20. Apr 18, 2019

    fallengt Full Member

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    Our front 3 are too static. No creativity you could pull when no one bothers to make off the ball movement
    Either coach them better or get new players
  21. Apr 18, 2019

    StrettyEnder07 New Member

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    Yeah agree with you mate, levels below Barca etc at the moment but I think with a shift of the deadwood, serious investment in the back line, CM & RW, we will have a decent side.

    Need to sort the spine of the side out, top CB, top DMC, CM to partner Pogba in front of the new DMC and we need a right hand side as at the moment it is dreadful with the left not being much better.

    We're talking about creativity, at the moment we have Martial not scored in 2 months, Lukaku none in 5, Rashford 3 in 12 and Lingard 1 assist in 2019 and that is our top class front 4, add to that Mata/Sanchez and I am stunned we are in the position we are.

    Buy 5 promote Gomes Greenwood Chong and roll into next year.
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    Jib Full Member

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    The majority of the top teams have a GK with a very good distribution, 1 ball-playing CB, the other CB isn't necessary a ball-playing CB but he's good on the ball and at least 2 midfielders with a lot of creativity.

    We only have Pogba...and the worst thing is that's half of our players are afraid of the ball ( De Gea, Young, Smalling...)
  23. Apr 19, 2019 at 07:12

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    It starts from the back. How many of our defenders are good in possession? Lindelof and Shaw are decent but the likes of Smalling, Jones, Young, and even De Gea really hamper our ability to create attacking moves from deep. On top of this our best midfielder in terms of carrying the ball and passing range also does his best work closer to goal so we can't afford to play Pogba in the deeper role.

    This has a huge effect on our entire attack because since these players cannot progress the ball properly our more advanced players have to come short for the ball and by that time we have an entire team to play through.

    Oh and we have a non existent right wing too, which makes us predictable as hell as teams just work to nullify our left side and it works fairly often. The summer ahead is huge and I hope Ole identifies the right players.
  24. Apr 19, 2019 at 08:37

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    imo Pogba needs to be replaced. He is only performing @50% now and everyone can see that his mind and heart is on moving to Real. Sell him for 130million, and we can replace him with a box to box midfielder that will give us 120% every game and still be able to buy another player.

    We really need to scrutinise every player we bring in this summer and thereafter. We seem to have lost the edge in bringing in Fergie type players who will give everything for this club.