The Search for a Midfielder

Discussion in 'Transfer Forum' started by MyOnlySolskjaer, Feb 1, 2018.

  1. Jan 7, 2019

    izec Full Member

    Joined:
    Sep 5, 2013
    Messages:
    17,493
    Location:
    Lucilinburhuc
    We dont need more than 6 midfielders. Pereira was barely used this season anyway. The 6th midfielder could be someone from the youth setup in the occasional Carling Cup/Fa Cup game or someone like Mata or Jesse playing as a 10 before 2 midfielders. As if McTominay or Pereira are some top players that need to be replaced. They are squad options barely good enough if at all.

    it is not impossible, how many players do we buy on average per summer anyway? 3-4? I dont see the issue really.
  2. Jan 7, 2019

    JohnnyLaw Full Member

    Joined:
    Jun 1, 2013
    Messages:
    1,487
    Location:
    Sweden
    Would have loved him before he went to Zenit and I’d still have him. Read that he’s got 10 goals and 15 assists in 61 games for them, that sure is alot for a DM. Seems a bit rash though, picks up a lot of cards.. The toughest part though is that he’s got at least 2 and a half years left on his contract and Zenit are wealthy aren’t they?
    The transfer would probably require a big sum which we probably can’t allocate between all the other positions that are in need of strenghtening.
  3. Jan 7, 2019

    Kidders Full Member

    Joined:
    Nov 21, 2008
    Messages:
    1,151
    Location:
    1 Hour 40 Minutes away
    I think he would be the perfect Matic replacement, totally silly but he could have Rojo's no5 shirt as well !
  4. Jan 8, 2019

    sideshow_bob New Member

    Joined:
    Feb 5, 2018
    Messages:
    224
    You're right. He's probably not going to come cheap. But he's well worth it imo. Not too many out there with his range of passing. Gets plenty of goals & assists too as you say. Surely, he'd jump at the chance to swap the Russian league for the EPL.

    Yeah he picks up quite a few cards but so did Scholes & Vieira when they were his age if I'm not mistaken. His workrate is suspect though. So I'd imagine pairing him with the busy Fred & Herrera in midfield is a must.
  5. Jan 8, 2019

    simonhch Horrible boss

    Joined:
    Aug 17, 2010
    Messages:
    9,988
    Location:
    Sartorial Guru
    Supports:
    Urban Combat Preparedness
    We should really try and make a play for Veratti. He looks ready to move on. Think PSG could be tempted to do business at the right price. I could also be dreaming.

    Would happily dump 75m+ on that guy.
  6. Jan 8, 2019

    Devil may care Full Member

    Joined:
    Jan 7, 2010
    Messages:
    30,259
    #6 - Matic/Fellaini
    #8 - Herrera/Fred
    AM - Pogba/Pereira

    We play a 3 man midfield and arguably have 2 for each role with the option to switch to 4-2-3-1 if Pogba is out and play Lingard off the #9. The problem is Herrera and Pereira are coming to the end of their contracts this summer, Fred is struggling and Fellaini.......well opinions on him vary but my view is he's not good enough, certainly not as the holder, a role I also think cuts Ander's qualities in half and on top of that Fellaini is pretty injury prone.

    I hope Herrera signs a new deal and Fred will certainly be given a second season, Pereira will go but we don't need direct cover for Pogba as he's a bit unique. I think this summer will finally be the end of the road for Fellaini so the key will be a holding midfielder that can compete with Matic, of course if Ander doesn't sign we'll need another box to box option as well but I think/hope he will stay.
  7. Jan 8, 2019

    KC ROYAL Full Member

    Joined:
    Dec 18, 2018
    Messages:
    286
    I do think United need another midfielder with some real creativity, someone to play alongside Hererra or Matic with Pogba further forward. Someone suggested Veratti in an earlier post, which is a good shout.
  8. Jan 8, 2019

    Patrick08 Full Member

    Joined:
    Mar 30, 2018
    Messages:
    2,701
    I think we should not be over dependent on pogba for creativity, injuries can happen any time and being overdependent on one star is bad planning. We need other options for creativity as well who would plug in the absence of pogba. Also Fred needs to step up and step up real quick to make the right side relevant in attack. Someone like Erikson or fekir playmaker who could also slot in RW would be a decent signing I think as Fred hasn't shown anything as of now that he could be the real deal in absence of our top stars.

    We'd all like to see a right winger come in but the question remains about how to use these set of attackers perfectly without blocking anyone's path including that of likes of Martial or Sanchez or Lukaku, who could all liven up under right attacking tactics and coaching of Ole and Phelan or under any new manager and bringing another right winger in would seriously complicate the problems even further.

    That's why I feel a attacking playmaker cum right sided versatile player certainly makes sense along with a cover for Matic. Fellani is a curious one for Me as I like his plan B option which could do real damage in certain situations. Players like Mctominay needs to be sold while in what capacity Andreas can fit in the squad remains a big question to me. We all love giving youth a chance though youth should be deserving enough to get one and with him I feel he won't make it into this set up big time for some reason. His best position is still not known to us, so this summer should be the one we make a decision on him as a squad player or not.
    Last edited: Jan 8, 2019
  9. Jan 8, 2019

    Devil may care Full Member

    Joined:
    Jan 7, 2010
    Messages:
    30,259
    The issue with creativity is a fair point, ideally we'd have a balance like City or Real with 2 creative #8's ahead of a great DM, but right now that seems pretty hard to achieve given the make-up of the best parts of the squad we currently have.

    I'm not 100% sure on Fekir but I agree Eriksen would be great in essentially the Mata/Lingard role with the option to slide into Pogba's role if Paul is out for any reason. The problem is I don't see Eriksen coming here, Levy hates us and Real were linked to him yesterday. Once you go past him I don't see that many options for the floating playmaker type of attacker, perhaps Angel Gomes will grow into that and I know that's not immediate enough but we are going to need some patience IMO as this squad is bloated with quantity over quality, we need to sell to buy so it's going to take time as several players we need to bounce are on stupid wages.
  10. Jan 8, 2019

    youmeletsfly New Member

    Joined:
    Sep 29, 2018
    Messages:
    509
    With the state of the squad at RM and no permanent manager, dunno if big players will be interested in joining them.

    If I would be, let's say Neymar, I'd look at the squad and realize they need 5-6 good players and that's a lot of money, even for their standards.
    They seem to be 2-3 transfer windows away from competing again.
  11. Jan 8, 2019

    Infra-red Full Member

    Joined:
    May 4, 2010
    Messages:
    6,255
    Location:
    left wing
    You could just as easily be talking about United here!
  12. Jan 8, 2019

    youmeletsfly New Member

    Joined:
    Sep 29, 2018
    Messages:
    509
    I know, reality is a bit harsh these days isn't it?

    I'd go as far as saying that we might look a bit better in terms of needing a certain number of additions to our squad?

    I mean, we need a CB, RB and RW/CM. They kinda need a CB, a RB, a RW, LW, CM and a ST. (maybe I'm exaggerating a bit, but: modric needs replacement, Benzema is shit, Carvajal is kind of always injured and they don't have a backup plan for him, they have nobody for LW, RW they have Bale or Lucas Vasquez and that's basically nobody, Ramos is getting old). I might be forcing it a bit, but I think we're in a slightly better position than them in the reconstruction phase as they need to spend a shit ton of money to reinforce.
  13. Jan 8, 2019

    ErranMorad Full Member

    Joined:
    Jul 30, 2018
    Messages:
    1,117
    Location:
    Here, there, everywhere...
    Has to be someone who can pass the ball well. Barella, Parsdes, Neves, Frankie - are all players that should be on our radar. It would be annoying if Chelsea, City & Barcelona gobble up all these players with good passing range and vision.
  14. Jan 8, 2019

    Dong Fangzhuo Full Member

    Joined:
    Mar 25, 2011
    Messages:
    1,739
    Thread title triggers my PTSD.
  15. Jan 8, 2019

    Devil may care Full Member

    Joined:
    Jan 7, 2010
    Messages:
    30,259
    The core of their squad has gotten old all at the same time and they don't seem to have the financial power they once had due to the Spanish banks tightening up, but the path back to the the top in La Liga is much easier than here, I mean we are staring down the barrell of no CL qualification for the 3rd time in 6 seasons, where as in Spain there are only 2 clubs max to get past to get to the title, nevermind top 4. The Levy factor is also a huge stumbling block as well IMO.
  16. Jan 8, 2019

    Adisa likes to take afvanadva wothowi doubt

    Joined:
    Nov 28, 2014
    Messages:
    33,470
    Location:
    Birmingham
    Casemiro?
  17. Jan 8, 2019

    Murder on Zidane's Floor You'd better not kill Giroud

    Joined:
    Jun 11, 2015
    Messages:
    3,589
    Has this been posted yet?

  18. Jan 9, 2019

    ravi2 Full Member

    Joined:
    Feb 4, 2012
    Messages:
    8,168
    Location:
    Canada
    We should have bought this guy ages ago
  19. Jan 9, 2019

    championo Top Stalker

    Joined:
    Mar 1, 2009
    Messages:
    5,921
    Location:
    From Brazil.
    I seem to get more angry by the day now since he is gone. I can't believe we put up with him for so long. Jose that is.
  20. Jan 9, 2019

    Rash Decision Full Member

    Joined:
    Mar 15, 2018
    Messages:
    997
    Location:
    In your closet, in your head!
    Oh dear. Clearly the club needs to take Jose back for your sake.
  21. Jan 9, 2019

    GM K Full Member

    Joined:
    Jan 5, 2017
    Messages:
    4,247
    You have made some brilliant points here.
  22. Jan 9, 2019

    GM K Full Member

    Joined:
    Jan 5, 2017
    Messages:
    4,247
    :lol:
  23. Jan 20, 2019

    NoPace Full Member

    Joined:
    Jan 20, 2014
    Messages:
    4,935
    Totally agree. Give me a passer over a tackler there.

    It's easy to see how a deep passer like Neves would be a good fit with Herrera doing the running (or maybe Fred if he comes good) and Pogba doing the creating, but when we need goals or are at home against weak teams, a midfield pairing of Pogba and Neves passing it around and an extra attacking midfielder looks real strong too.

    Would also open up playing a diamond if we wanted to for tactical reasons, with Martial and Rashford up top, Neves holding, Herrera one side and either Pogba the other and Lingard or Mata as a 10 or Pogba as a 10 and Fred on the other side.
  24. Jan 26, 2019

    Adisa likes to take afvanadva wothowi doubt

    Joined:
    Nov 28, 2014
    Messages:
    33,470
    Location:
    Birmingham
    The gap between our starting trio and the rest is so big we can't afford to rotate.
  25. Jan 26, 2019

    Rocknrolla69er New Member

    Joined:
    Mar 15, 2015
    Messages:
    52
    It is looking like we’re lacking depth at centre midfield, Matic fades a little towards the end of the games but seems to be left on. I like Herrera I think he’s a great option, but a part of me would like us to kind of upgrade on Herrera and add somebody who has his workrate but also offers abit more creativity and pace ala the two silvas at Man City, I think that’d give us another dimension going forward. Could Fred be the answer? Must be a reason he’s sat on the bench though.

    As for competition for Matic, what are people’s thoughts of Pellegrini at Roma?
  26. Jan 26, 2019

    sideshow_bob New Member

    Joined:
    Feb 5, 2018
    Messages:
    224
    Got a feeling that even if we paid the release clause (rumoured to be around €35~40m), he will choose to stay. Think both he & the club have plans for him to be the next Mr Roma ala Totti & De Rossi.
  27. Jan 26, 2019

    Fosu-Mens Full Member

    Joined:
    Apr 11, 2016
    Messages:
    1,371
    Location:
    Muppet station for next season.
    Biggest issue is what we will do if/when Pogba gets injured. All/most of our attacking play is going through him, and i fear that without him pulling the strings in attack we will struggle.
  28. Jan 26, 2019

    MrSingh2002 Full Member

    Joined:
    Dec 16, 2013
    Messages:
    1,679
    It has to be Neves. Having seen him play closely over the past 2 seasons he is the real deal. He's more than good enough to be starting in a Champions League chasing club.

    He can compliment or replace Matic, Herrera, Fred or Fellaini instantly. A player with a great attitude and technical ability. I think he's a Man United player and I hope we don't miss out on him. Whichever club he signs for next will appreciate him. Could see him at City/Barcelona/Bayern.
  29. Jan 26, 2019

    Mcking Full Member

    Joined:
    Jun 27, 2017
    Messages:
    2,985
    Location:
    Nigeria
    We desperately need a DM. Right now, it is Matic or bust.
  30. Jan 26, 2019

    sherrinford Full Member

    Joined:
    Jan 3, 2017
    Messages:
    289
    Or Herrera. We don’t need a holding midfielder, other areas require attention.
  31. Jan 26, 2019

    Rocknrolla69er New Member

    Joined:
    Mar 15, 2015
    Messages:
    52
    I think Fred is more suited to the Pogba role , I don’t think he d be bad backup seems quick moving the ball forward

    I think it’s the Herrera and Matic roles where we lack backup
  32. Jan 26, 2019

    Mcking Full Member

    Joined:
    Jun 27, 2017
    Messages:
    2,985
    Location:
    Nigeria
    Herrera is not really a holding midfielder.
  33. Jan 26, 2019

    Rocknrolla69er New Member

    Joined:
    Mar 15, 2015
    Messages:
    52
    Looking at Serie A and Pellegrini, you also have the two at Napoli in the defensive minded Allan posting impressive stats, as well as the more attack minded Zielinski. I think theirs a wealth of talent out their that would upgrade our midfield.

    Defensive midfield
    Allan, Nzonzi, Witsel

    Herrera role
    Pellegrini, Zielinski, Saul Niguez
  34. Jan 26, 2019

    Fosu-Mens Full Member

    Joined:
    Apr 11, 2016
    Messages:
    1,371
    Location:
    Muppet station for next season.
    Fred is still a big unknown, but will probably be the worst signing in the EPL this season. From the little we have seen from him, i doubt he has the abilities to perform in the position and the duties Pogba has.
    Could potentially be a backup for Matic or Herrera.
  35. Jan 26, 2019

    izec Full Member

    Joined:
    Sep 5, 2013
    Messages:
    17,493
    Location:
    Lucilinburhuc
    Just play with a more defensive 3 man midfield and hope someone steps up or switch to 4231 and play an AM in the middle, like Lingard or Mata/Alexis.

    You cant replace players like him, same for Spurs, Pool and Chelsea with their star men. I dont count City, with their wealth of attacking options, but they also cant replace Fernandinho for example.
  36. Jan 26, 2019

    Rocknrolla69er New Member

    Joined:
    Mar 15, 2015
    Messages:
    52
    Totally disagree, I think the little we have seen from him has been promising, really has an eye for a pass, especially passes into space and the channels I think Rashford, Martial etc would thrive on the quickness he d play the ball forward for them. I’m quite baffled as to why you think he doesn’t have the quality’s to play as an attacking midfielder bit of an odd statement given the guys not been given the chance in the ulTra negative Mourinho era, and under Solskjaer he’s just been unlucky in the sense the team are performing very well so is now having to bide his time as well as having Pogba as a competitor for a place in the team. I think you’ve written him off far too quickly, pretty Mourinhoesque in your criticism
  37. Jan 26, 2019

    Fosu-Mens Full Member

    Joined:
    Apr 11, 2016
    Messages:
    1,371
    Location:
    Muppet station for next season.
    Difference between having an eye for a pass and playing high risk passes. Based on what little we have seen from him i would say he is a "messy" player: Seems to lack awareness over his surroundings when he is on the ball. Dives into 50/50 tackles when the team is not in balance, when he should contain the player on the ball. His touch on the ball can sometimes be really good, and othertimes heavy. His passing is sometimes a meter off or a little hard. Overall he seems inconsistent, but if he can remove some of his bad habits then he got elements of his games that are excellent. Hopefully he will not become the new Anderson.

    My portrayal of Fred might be a little negative, but given that we paid £50m+ for him he should be better. And it is not like he is a 20 year old talent with little experience. I did practically write him off when we signed him. Did not see him as a great player then, and do not see him in a different light now. I think your optimism regarding Fred is ungrounded, pretty Liverpoolesque in your naive praise.
  38. Jan 26, 2019

    Escobar Poster originally known as Michel04

    Joined:
    Jun 8, 2004
    Messages:
    23,333
    Location:
    La-La-Land
    I agree that we'll need a new DM come summer. Fellaini will be gone, Matic is not gonna get fitter or younger and the others just don't fill in that role.
  39. Jan 26, 2019

    sherrinford Full Member

    Joined:
    Jan 3, 2017
    Messages:
    289
    He is though. He wasn’t when he arrived at the club but he has developed as such, with his best season coming in the role and having lost a fair bit in attack compared to when he arrived.
  40. Jan 27, 2019

    Rocknrolla69er New Member

    Joined:
    Mar 15, 2015
    Messages:
    52
    Interestingly could you remind us how many united appearances Fred has made?

    As I say very Mourinhoesque, guess your an avid watcher of the russian league too hats off to you