The Spurs thread | 2016-2017 season | Serious thread - wummers/derailers will be threadbanned

Discussion in 'Football Forum' started by baanke laal, Jul 8, 2016.

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Will Spurs finish in top 4 in the upcoming season?

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  1. Jan 9, 2017

    AR87 Full Member

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    And you're a whole 3 points ahead of us.

    Really though we've just been playing much better ever since we took all 3 points from your all conquering Spurs.
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    GlastonSpur Also disliked on an Aston Villa forum

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    Yes, but he doesn't play for United ... so he's not "elite" like Pogba.
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    Couch potato 82 New Member

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    Spot on.
    Who scored ratings are way too arbitrary. I can see why someone would use it for actual tangible parameters and stats such as goals, assists, distance covered etc.

    Claiming a player is best in Europe or wherever cos of a high "WhoScored" rating is weak. fecking top trumps for sad football fans.
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    Feisty thread tonight, pity we didn't draw each other in the cup tonight :lol:
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    Is this your payback for Kraftwerker calling you a weirdo Liverpool fan yesterday :lol:
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    GlastonSpur Also disliked on an Aston Villa forum

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    3 points ahead? How can that be when unlike United, we aren't stuffed to the gills with world class players and world class prospects?
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    My argument isn't regarding net spend. As I've already said Pochettino has been able to get rid of around £120m of mid table deadwood and has done a great job reinvesting that and more in a much better first XI.

    My post highlighted however that the ability to raise funds from squad players is starting to dwindle. You now have a relatively small squad and are very light in terms of attacking depth.

    To fund further strengthening Pochettino now either gets rid of squad players he himself has brought in, taking a loss on them in the process (Janssen, N'koudo, N'Jie, Sissoko) and hoping their replacements are better; thins the squad further which would be incredibly risky; or a combination of the two.

    As I said he will firstly probably get rid of Bentaleb, Fazio, N'Jie & Carroll which may fund one good attacking signing. Possibly Levy will release another £25m and Pochettino will work his magic and I'll be completely wrong.

    However again it'll be interesting to see what now happens as all the overrated (mostly English) "talent" that Poch sold at inflated prices are gone. He has been able to afford £80m in signings like Sissoko, Janssen, N'Jie, N'koudo and Fazio who aren't really contributing.

    The pressure now for Pochettino to get almost every transfer perfect is telling.
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    Kraftwerker Formerly RedAddict

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    If you're not much of a stats man then perhaps you accept the view of the professionals who work and play in the game. The ones who have voted Pogba into the World 11 in 2015, and had him miss out on the 2016 team by the slimmest of margins.

    If we don't accept the views of professionals in the game, or if we don't accept objective statistical analysis, what do we accept? The views of a couple of chip-on-their-shoulder Spurs fans on a Man United forum? Nah...
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    AR87 Full Member

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    According to you Spurs are stuff with world class prospects so I'm trying to figure out how it is you lost to such a poor United side.
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    You've had the same manager for 3 years and pretty much the same 11 as last season. Having a more settled team and formation would probably account for Spurs being ahead
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    Couch potato 82 New Member

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    Haha!! Yep.. super sleuth off the internet really showed me. Ruined my day!

    Probably be a accused of being a spurs fan by him now the paranoid nugget
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    Kraftwerker Formerly RedAddict

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    Isn't there some Bin Dipper thread you should be in?

    I quoted WhoScored and the FIFA Xi, voted for by professionals.

    That covers all basis. Both that Pogba is statistically one of the very best midfielders in Europe. And that from an opinion-led point of view, his fellow pros view him as so.
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    It's not where you are, it's where you're headed.

    Let's see where we sit come season's end.
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    There's a bit of a leap from this:
    to this:
    There's a difference between a team holding out for a fee and another team actually paying it. If you wanted a world record fee for Kane today, you would not make a sale.
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    Kraftwerker Formerly RedAddict

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    A 34 year old Liverpool fan pretending to be a Man United fan on a Man United website.

    We've had a few sad-case oppo fans on here down the years, but this sort of behaviour is definitely up there with the most tragic.

    You have my pity.
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    GlastonSpur Also disliked on an Aston Villa forum

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    Well, that'd be around £60m to spend in the summer straight off the bat. Plus the likely further emergence of at least three ex-academy players: Winks, Carter-Vickers and Marcus Edwards.

    Sounds plenty me ... and certainly the opposite of squad decline.
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    SirHenryPercy Banned

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    You need to read it again, they pretty much say the same thing, that it would likely take a record fee to sign him.

    You're desperately looking for something that's not there.
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    GlastonSpur Also disliked on an Aston Villa forum

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    First, I haven't said that Spurs are stuffed with world class prospects. Second, one game away from home means little, particularly when you still have to come to WHL where we thrashed you last season.
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    Actually the gulf in class was quite telling, with Spurs having to resort to petulance and cowardly kicks just to stop themselves from being on the end of a proper hiding.

    Last season could hardly have less relevance to this current United team.

    By the way, are all those professional footballers who voted Pogba into the World 11 in 2015 and 2016 also deluded?
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    GlastonSpur Also disliked on an Aston Villa forum

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    At last something I agree with.
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    SirHenryPercy Banned

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    Oh dear, descending into farce now.

    It was the worst we've played all season for sure, 1-0 is now nearly a proper hiding, you're living in a bizarre world.
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    GlastonSpur Also disliked on an Aston Villa forum

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    I am many things, but I am not all those footballers.
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    Playing for United comes with a different set of pressures to playing for a team like Spurs. Someone who does well at Spurs won't necessarily make it at United even if there's not much between the first elevens right now. It's often easier being a biggish fish in a small pond, quite another matter settling in at a new club on the back of a world record transfer fee.
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    You were relying on some top saves, the woodwork and coward kicks to stop it getting much worse.
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    :lol:

    Mea culpa.

    Are they deluded though?
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    SirHenryPercy Banned

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    Yep, a bizarre world.
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    So none of that happened.

    Ok...

    Maybe you were hiding behind your sofa by that point.
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    Not really, the wording of your initial post implies you could get a record fee for him if the club decided to sell him. The reality is very different, which I've been very clear about all along.
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    SirHenryPercy Banned

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    I remember you hitting the bar from a freekick, that happens ant 2 semi decent but comfortable saves from Lloris. As for the cowardly kicks stuff thats just cringeworthy.

    We've beaten better sides than Utd this season and shared the spoils with better sides as well.

    We were just very poor that day in what was an all round poor game of football
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    This perspective illustrates the key reason why Spurs have finished above United for two of the last three seasons, and look on course to do so again.

    On the one side we have the "galactico" big money approach and attitude (as if United were up there with the likes of Barca, RM, Bayern Munich etc.) and a collection of ego-centric players ... of which Mourinho is the perfect reflection.

    One the other side we have a team who play for each other, who fit together well, with no big egos, and have tremendous team spirit ... again of which Pochettino is the perfect reflection.
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    I think you'd do well to get £35m out of those 4, particularly with Hull not around to inevitably buy Carroll for £10m. Who knows though with Premier League cash and Premier League managers lack of imagination.

    I don't really subscribe to the Spurs academy myth either. One or two players who're first team quality in a decade isn't exactly inspiring. For every Kane there have been a dozen Livermore, Mason, Caulker, Pritchard, Townsend, Naughton, Huddleston, O Hara etc. The next batch are always the next best thing until they're inevitably sold to Palace, Hull or Norwich.

    This isn't biased against Spurs either. All Premier League clubs are in the same position. Twenty years ago we'd maybe have half a dozen of Rafael, Cleverley, Welbeck, Evans, Januzaj, Lingard, Rashford, TFM, Keane etc in and around the squad. Likewise Pogba would have been free as we'd have the freedom to put him into the team much earlier. It's a bit more competitive nowadays.
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    Nice coping mechanism for explaining away the clear gulf in class.
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    Even Van Gaal's United were more successful than Spurs.

    You've achieved nothing under Poch. Finishing above United is not a tangible achievement, especially United sides which were non-entities in the league.

    Maybe for a Spurs supporting United obsessive who spends his days on a Man United forum it's some tiny point of pride or hollow bragging right, but it's meaningless.
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    GlastonSpur Also disliked on an Aston Villa forum

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    It's quite sweet the way you place so much emphasis on a single home game. Bless.
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    SirHenryPercy Banned

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    Gulf in class, back in your bizarre world again.

    We've dealt with teams who've absolutely battered you recently.

    But by the nature of the top teams if you don't play well on the day you're going to get beat and that's what happened to us.
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    No he isn't. Martial has more goals and one less assist.
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    SirHenryPercy Banned

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    I said in the top 5 European leagues.
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    European football doesn't matter then? Is it any wonder some Spurs fans get ridiculed in here?
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    Not at all. It was nice to see the obvious gulf in class though.


    Nobody has battered us recently.
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    SirHenryPercy Banned

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    I thought Chelsea totally battered you?