The Spurs thread | 2016-2017 season | Serious thread - wummers/derailers will be threadbanned

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Will Spurs finish in top 4 in the upcoming season?

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    balaks Full Member

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    Perhaps if you could sound a fog horn before and after that sentence? I'll wave a few Spurs flags behind you if that helps.
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    If I could I would do it. :)
    That info is mentioned so rarely in this forum it needs to be said.
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    Which part of 2016-17 season in the thread title isn't clear to you guys?

    Take the dick measuring shite to a new thread so that the rest of us who don't give a feck can stay out. Keep this on topic.
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    fishfingers15 Contributes to username and tagline changes

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    Spurs to draw against West Brom and we hear Pulis' evil smile again?y
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    No it's the ridiculous way some of you are constantly putting down Manchester United while talking about how great your own team is. This despite the minimal difference between the two in the last few years and the fact that almost all Utd fans will acknowledge we've been absolutely terrible.
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    RedSky likes to kick 10-year-olds

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    Whats the problem with that? They're Tottenham fans, they have every right to be excited about their team. You just seem like you want to argue for the sake of arguing.
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    fishfingers15 Contributes to username and tagline changes

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    They do have an exciting team, but to be fair, Glaston's logic in arguing is wummy at best, stupid at worst. There are a lot of people who jump on his throat for a rise (including myself) but you can't deny there is some insane distortion of logic in his arguments.

    I like Spurs and it's their result I look up after our results, but I'm not sure anymore. I hope they pick up points against other top 4 teams as well to make the run up more interesting.
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    Only none of us have said that we are great.

    If we do highlight something that is going well for us, like the form of Alli or that we are doing well defensively over a fair period of time, then that's all it is. Even when we were in the middle of a good run of results we were saying that our actual form wasn't good enough.

    I have seen literally no over expectations of what level we are realistically at in this thread, if there are some then fill your boots in pointing them out.

    The comparisons between Utd and Spurs or the players of said clubs from what I see isn't something started by Spurs posters but something that is respond to or debated when it's understandably brought up by Utd fans, again I don't see the problem with that?

    I think what the real problem is that you want us to say that Utd are great and have all these great players, but honestly one, two or more, I don't know, just don't think that that's the case. I really have no idea why that enrages you so, when they are just opinions.

    Sometimes I accept that there maybe posts which can be viewed as goading. I made a post a while back asking why if you had the best in the world in certain positions, the best manager in the world and the best squad why you weren't doing better. It was actually a genuine question but some went into meltdown over it.

    Honestly it's the Spurs thread and surely you accept that Spurs posters in this thread are going to say some good things about our own club, and when challenged that most of everything that Utd have or do is better it's often going to be met with disagreement or counter argument?

    For the record I have stated on numerous occasions that I don't mind Utd at all because over the last generation if it wasn't for Itd Arsenal would have won a lot more trophies, so there isn't any anti Utd feeling, Arsenal are a different matter altogether!
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    There isn't a problem with it. But what's the problem with pointing out I don't agree with their assessments? Or that some have been saying the same shit for years. They're on a Man United forum telling us how they're so much better than us without actually achieving anything.
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    We are on a Utd forum, very true but we are in the Spurs thread or the top 4 thread mainly.

    Do any of us go into the Utd forum area and slag off Utd?
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    And what's the problem with Utd fans then countering what they see as overrating of Spurs players? It's a Man United forum after all. We had one Spurs fan saying that only two United players would get in a combined team. It's a fair question then to ask why Spurs achievements have been so meagre with such a strong team apparently?

    I don't care what Spurs fans think of Utd's squad. I don't even think it's particularly great in some areas. We're an injury up front and in midfield away from having no hope of finishing top 4. I just don't get this idea that Spurs are such a great side. They're a good team who have a good chance of finishing top 4 but they're nothing to fear and I don't believe they're destined to go much further than what they currently are. And before you claim nobody's saying that have a look at Glaston's posts and see why people are always debating Spurs in the manner they do.

    Your last paragraph can be flipped. If Spurs fans are talking about all the great things about their club or one in particular is always chatting about Utd's decline then you can surely see why it would be countered?
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    Well obviously there's a lot less of you here to do that. And where have I slagged off Spurs?
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    To be fair, Glaston takes a hideous amount of stick and gets trolled himself, which is precisely why the mods started thread banning trolls. The point of this thread is to talk about Spurs season. Instead all we get is endless bullshit arguments by people trying to pick a fight. This thread optimises everything wrong with this forum at the moment imo, every single page turns into a war. It's pathetic.

    That doesn't matter does it. This is the Spurs thread, it's not like they're posting it in all other threads is it? Part of the appeal of the Caf is having posters of rival clubs being on here, it's not an Us V Them forum.
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    Mciahel Goodman Worst Werewolf Player of All Times

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    This is going too far off topic. Thread bans incoming for those who insist on derailing.
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    They're still posting about Man United. You've only quoted part of my post. I haven't said there's a problem with them having their opinions on their team. But surely the whole point of the forum is debate what is posted?
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    fishfingers15 Contributes to username and tagline changes

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    Fair enough. I'm not bothered about this thread anyway. But I do think an argument is made up of two sides and Glaston invites a lot of stick with his aggressive arguments on questionable logic.
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    West Brom are a bit of a bogey team for us so if we are going to drop points this is exactly the type of game we will likely do it.
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    RedSky likes to kick 10-year-olds

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    Do you think you'll continue using 3 at the back or was that a one off tactical counter to Chelsea?
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    Not sure really - 3 at the back seems to suit the players we have, in particular it plays to the strengths of Rose and Walker and also gives Eriksen more influence so I like it and we have had good results with it. One of the great things about Poch is that he has started to show willingness to try different systems to counter certain teams - whether he feels we need to do it against WBA I'm not sure but it's going so well I suspect he might just keep going with it. Also the more we play it, the more proficient our players get at playing that way.
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    I actually completely agree with this bit.

    Glaston could perhaps be a bit more.... humble in what he says but he does receive a rather large amount of abuse on here. I've not particularly seen him hide when we lose. He gets lampooned for opinions which have since been shown to be completely true, against an overwhelming tide of opinion on here (Nani has already reached a higher level than Bale's ceiling, Shaw is infinitely better than Rose, Levy will bend over for Chelsea and sell Modric and he's stupid if he thinks the two clubs are rivals and SPurs may finish above them).

    This childish dick waving is ridiculous. I like football because I enjoy the sport and I like the communal and emotional aspects of it. What I've never understood is a) making concrete predictions as people so often do and b) why grown men often engage in this strange 'competition' between each other. Not over their own achievements, not of that of their family or spouse or friends. But over 11 random men they've never met and will never meet and the achievements of men before that have little to do with them.

    I mean....wtf?

    The thread title and general modding showcases the best of this forum and illustrates why there are so many of us opposition fans on here, from different leagues and different countries. Some of the posts from the last couple of pages showcase the very worst of the forum. So childish.
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    RedSky likes to kick 10-year-olds

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    Using it against Villa must signify that you're viewing it as a viable formation change. I guess one benefit is that it allows Alli and Eriksen to play a little narrower and thereby closer to Kane. Also gives Rose and Walker more incentive to push forward which again gives Alli and Eriksen more space. Said it a few weeks back that it seemed like a good fit for your personal so it'll be interesting to see if you continue with it.

    As a side note, hows Marcus Edwards been getting on in the reserves? Thought he would be a shoe in for your Cup squad this season but wasn't involved at Villa.
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    Its a difficult one. Like Balaks said, its a formation that actually gets the best out of our players I think. And we have used it a few times in the past (against Watford last year for example) and if I remmeber correctly, against Arsenal this season too?

    Either way, I'm not looking forward to the match and I can imagine us dropping points. West Brom under Pulis seems to be a tough nut to crack for us.

    And of course, it took a mistake for even Chelsea to break down West Brom with 3 at the back.
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    Very true. Also allows any of Vertonghen, Dier and Alderweirald, all of whom are comfortable on the ball (especially Alderweirald) to step out and cause confusion.

    He unfortunately sustained an injury in November and is still recovering. Damned shame, we were all looking forward to seeing more of him in the cups this season.

    Hopefully he'll make an appearance vs Wycombe.
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    You're at home though. So I fancy you to be ok, you'll grind them down like you normally do in the 2nd half. They're also without Evans and he's been very good for this season.

    Think you might struggle at Sunderland, I had you drawing that game but your tie against Wycombe is a bit fortunate so might have to revise that. If you can do the double against City then I think you're firmly in the title race myself. As i'm expecting Liverpools form to dip a bit. They're due a wobble.
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    Yeah I'm hoping the West Brom players who have played for us in the past would do us a favor to be honest.
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    He got injured sadly and has been out for the last couple of months - he is returning very soon though and will be back playing in the cup and fighting for a place on the bench - he is the most highly rated young player on our books and could be a major talent - time will tell of course.
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    GlastonSpur Also disliked on an Aston Villa forum

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    For sure it's better than posting "nothing" comments like you've just done baby.
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    He looked the business pre season from the little I saw of him tbh. Though N'Koudou played well in his cameo at Villa as well, should see a bit more of him in the coming weeks.
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    Marcus Edwards isn't really the most highly rated youngster at the club, it's Cameron Carter-Vickers.

    Edwards is the most hyped and undoubtedly the most talented but the odds are against him due to his Messiesque physique. Undoubted talent on its own isn't going to be enough, he's going to have to have a lot of other attributes to make it. How often have we seen brilliant youth players not make it at senior level, he turned 18 last month and needs to be pushing PL match day squads within the next 12 months, if he isn't then he's unlikely to fo it, on the other hand if he does he could be quite a player.

    CCV on the other hand turned 19 last week and is already very much in Poch's thoughts. He's played above his age group for club and country throughout youth football and is already a member of the full US national squad, after turning his back on England. He's already a man and has all the physical attributes bar maybe an extra yard of pace and an inch or 2 in height which he may still get.

    Poch has already indicated that he's ahead of Wimmer in the pecking order and it's likely only the fact that Wimmer is left sided that has seen him picked ahead of CCV lately. I've seen him play a fair few times and he's very very impressive, I think we'll continue to see more of him over the next 24 months or so leading to him becoming a fixture in the side. He played against Sturridge in the EFL at Anfiekd earlier in the season and I thought he was excellent, he also had an experienced player like Agbonlahor in his pocket at the weekend, although to be fair to GA he had little to no service.

    In a couple of years we could see Kane, Winks and CCV as regulars which would be great, if Edwards could join them that would be quite something.

    As a point of interest CCV's old man played in the NBA.
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    I didn't say you have slagged off Spurs, I was just pointing out that we aren't going all over the forum slagging of Utd or anybody else.

    Although I do confess to having the occasional poke at Arsenal when possible, other than Spurs they are probably the only club most of us really care about, caring that they fail in everything.
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    We look definitely to be heading towards 3 at the back, if we hadn't seen injuries to Toby and Dembele this season we would have seen more of it than the 4 times so far that have seen 3 wins and a much deserved draw at Arsenal. Our personnel is perfectly suited to this system and we have 2 FB/WB's who although are defenders they both deliver in the attacking third. Perfect WB's, at least one good screen and ball playing CB's are the vital components for a successful 3, we have all of those pieces.

    That said this season we have played 343, 433, 4231 & 4141, so Poch is pretty flexible and has options every game.

    Re the WBA that will tell us more than the Chelsea game, deep down I expected us to beat Chelsea and wasn't at all surprised we were comfortable. WBA is a different type of game and I believe a bigger test, we couldn't find a way against them last season in what turned out to be our most important game. I think win, lose or draw this weekend will tell
    us quite a lot about where we currently are as a side.
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    Not entirely. Nothing comments are better than deluded and moronic ones you've been spouting for some time.

    Quick question, couldn't find any of you wonderful Spurs better than United comments just after the game at Old Trafford. Where were you ? Couldn't bother turning up, eh?
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    Actually I said that United deserved to win the game. But it's just one game out of 38 this season, and an away game at that, so I wouldn't get too excited just yet if I were you.
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    No one is getting excited over it. Just pointing you didn't go on long tirades like you normally do during that period. You were a gracious loser I admit. But fastforward a few weeks and you're back at it.

    All most of us take offense is when you can twist and turn things when it suits your agenda, but as soon as anyone says something remotely unsavoury towards spurs, you go on taking potshots at United and posters.
    Like last season when Spurs comically capitulated in the title race and when some of us pointed it out, you're best comeback was United and Europa league.
    We were talking about how spurs fecked up their one title challenge in decades and you couldn't comeback with anything related to the topic.
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    shaggy Prefers blue over red, loathed by Spurs fans

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    Can you repeat that again mate, not quite sure I've got the message yet.
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    Interesting few fixtures for Spurs coming up, West Brom seem to give them problems although I think Spurs should win. Probably a draw at worst. City and Liverpool will be the tough games though.

    I wonder how they'll cope with Europa as their team doesn't have great squad depth, as demonstrated by their CL campaign.
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    I'm back at it? And I'm taking potshots? Take a look at what you've just posted.

    "comically capitulated" + "fecked up their one title challenge in decades"

    Well, that's your take on it. My view is that Spurs did very well to even be in the title race last season, never mind to finish 3rd. And the capitulation came only after we failed to beat Chelski away from home (a tough ask by any standards), after which any title chance was realistically gone anyway since merely to draw with Chelski wasn't enough.

    Some of you critics of Spurs might do well to remember the money available to - and spent by - our competitors. Going strictly by income, Spurs should do no better than 6th in any given season, but on average we've doing far better than that for quite a few seasons now.

    And going by net spend over the last several years, Spurs should be finishing somewhere near the bottom of the league. Yet whilst we've diverted large amounts of cash into our new training ground and new stadium complex, and continue to do so, we've still continued to be there or thereabouts when it comes to the top 4.

    As for the rest, I mostly just point out, where I feel it's justified, the qualities of certain Spurs players against a barrage of silly claims from some United posters. Usually this gets wilfully translated into allegations that I've said Spurs player X is the best in the world, or that Spurs are the best team in the league, or some such exaggeration.
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    Only thing is Spurs didn't capitulate at all, we drew at home to WBA and that was effectively that, hardly a capitulation drawing what was a very tough game. By the time we went to Chelsea we were already effectively out of it and some of our players were understandably irked by the likes of Hazard, Willian and Fabregas before we drew with WBA intimating that if push come to shove they would let Leicester win their final game of the season against them.

    As it happened by the time we went to Chelsea barring a ridiculous sequence of events we were out of it. We drew a very tough game 2-2 and far from being a meltdown some of our players, understandably in my opinion decided that they would like to leave a few on those who'd had too much to say for themselves. Call it a meltdown if you like, I'd sooner call it what it was which was an opportunity to shut a few mouths and rightly or wrongly leave something on a few of them, after all it is a game of emotion played by men and sometimes us men can get a bit carried away.

    Funnily enough I think that night went some way to us beating Chelsea last week, they don't look like they have the appetite for a physical battle with us. The game earlier this season at the Bridge was always going to be a gentle affair after last season, now that's out of the way we can move on.
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    By the time we've been to Liverpool we will have been to all of the current top
    12 and completed our games against the current top 3.

    If we are in a good position post Liverpool we should be in good shape.
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    If it goes badly, then post Liverpool the addition of Europa to your schedule might dampen your chances further.