The thought of losing Rashford

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  1. Jun 9, 2019

    predator Youth NITK

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    I'm genuinely that disillusioned with the club in general I wouldn't be too upset to see any of our players leave, provided they are at least replaced with other professional footballers. Having said that, I would be very pleased to see rashford succeed for us and england because he is from manchester. I'd also be intrigued to see a Manc lad go to Barcelona, I'd genuinely wish him all the best - even though I do not think he is consistently good enough to be there.

    On the other hand, if reports about silly wage demands are true then even manc lads can feck off aswell.
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    Rusholme Ruffian Full Member

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    Eh? You're changing your tune a bit. You wrote the following post as an example of why Rashford is clearly not destined to become a top player:

    Then another poster listed all of Rashford's achievements: 'scoring on his Europa League, Premier League, England, England U21, League Cup and Champions League Debuts' which kind of showed your initial post up for being, well, a bit wrong-headed. And now you're saying you want him to be a Klose, Inzaghi or Muller, when your own example shows that at a similar age Becks had just come back from a loan at PNE, and Scholesy was miles away from nailing down a first choice midfield position at United.

    For what it's worth I'm not convinced about Rashford myself - but at least be fair with your comparisons...he's achieved a massive amount for a player of his age.
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    sp_107 New Member

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    Good for us. We need a 20-25 goal scorer. Can use that money to find someone else
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    Sparky_Hughes Donkey Buggering Tyrant who cheats at Monopoly

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    Don't want him to go, don't care if he does. There are 0 players currently in the squad I would miss.
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    Aloysius's Back 3 New Member

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    I really find threads like this unnecessary and infuriating.
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    The Cat Doesn't know his own mobile number

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    Oddly enough I think I would miss Mctominay the most. Perhaps even Shaw. Mctominay cares and seems to have potential to improve. But I agree with you.
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    MyOnlySolskjaer Creator of Player Performance threads

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    People love the drama and they have nothing to talk about this transfer window. Hence this thread. Best to just ignore it.
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    Aloysius's Back 3 New Member

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    I guess that's true - I tried avoiding this thread but still opened it up twice in 2 days because there's nothing else to do.
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    Loublaze ATLien

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    I've read opinions here about Daniel James replacing Martial as a starter on the left wing, and Tuanzebe had a more (comparable) impressive season in the championship so why wouldn't other posters hold have similar thoughts over Tuanzebe's chances? Tuanzebe is properly rated IMO, he was one of the best CBs in the championship and could easily stake a claim as a squad player for united, not starting 11 though. Im surprised you didn't mention the most overrated youth player LVG introduced to the first team, Paddy McNair.
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    Sparky_Hughes Donkey Buggering Tyrant who cheats at Monopoly

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    I think I agree with that, mctominay is the closest one for me at the mo.
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    MyOnlySolskjaer Creator of Player Performance threads

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    Same to be honest.

    Let's keep talking about how we hate threads like this.
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    Loublaze ATLien

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    Its kinda funny that a lot of the posters who are clamoring for 'hardworking' young British talent with 'potential' the same age as Rashford (Daniel James and Sean Longstaff for instance) are not showing patience and would be open to letting him leave without a second thought. Now all of a sudden the crystal balls are out and Rashford has little to no potential at age 21 despite proving himself on the big stage already? What a funny world we live in
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    Luffy Straw Hat

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    What massive amount? Tell me that please. Btw Scholes didn't struggle as you make it out to be. His place was guaranteed in that team as a striker. He lost his place only because of Eric Cantona's return. And I don't think I changed my tune. Rashford set the stage alight with his debut goals but now is a shadow of his former self. Let's move on from his debut goals. But anyway I'm not used to much debate. My red tinted glasses are firmly off when looking at the dynamics of my beloved club.
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    Rusholme Ruffian Full Member

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    It feels a bit like you're taking the piss now. He scored the winning goal in a CL knockout game against PSG just a couple of months ago. He's got 111 appearances and 27 goals for United, and 32 England caps, at the age of 21. Do you want to list a few other 21 year olds in top level football that have achieved more? He has - unquestionably - achieved more at his age than Beckham and Scholes had at the same age. Sadly I very much doubt that he'll reach anywhere near the heights that those two did, but that's a different argument entirely.
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    I´m sorry that I gave that impression. I really think words like massive amount cannot be lightly bandied about. I´m now going to retract from this thread. It was not a complete waste of time. I got to know more about my fellow United fans. You seem like a decent guy. Kindest regards.
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    I have two thoughts

    1 - A 21 year old youth academy player (a mancunian) is haggling over money to play football. There should only be one outcome 'Don't let the doors hit you on your way out'

    2 - The fact that he is a starter and is the 'star' striker in this united team speaks about how united as a club is handling players. So a player asking for money because he is a star striker kinda makes sense!

    Conclusion - Its all messed up
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    Isotope Full Member

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    How is he a "star" if he can be easily upgraded? Young is a starter. So does Matic. No one would label them as stars.
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    I'm not sure we have seen what Rashford potential actually is. He came up during troubled times for United, has never had the chance to develop in a solid squad, with older, reliable players as mentors. Because of the Lukaku failure he has the responsibility to carry the team goal wise, with almost no backup plan.

    Remember it took Ronaldo 3 seasons before hitting the 20 goals a season mark, and that was in a much, much better team than we have now.
    Also look at Kane: It took him some time to develop into the player he is now.

    I think that if he indeed will go to Barca he will suddenly be a 20 goals a season player.
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    Siddharth New Member

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    Just don't lose him on a free. These are assets. He can fetch us good money I hope.
    All these delusional players who are asking for crazy wages can leave if club thinks they are not worth it.
    We need system more than anything else. If guys like Pogba, Lukaku, Rashford, Martial and De Gea don't fit the system then they need to be moved on. Losing players like Mata, Herrera for free means we are afraid of selling the players and then going through the effort of replacing /upgrading them by proper scouting and negotiations. That's just lazy.
    I fear the same may happen with this guy. The club will cave in and give him wages which are crazy or it will let him run down his contract.
  20. Jun 11, 2019 at 10:18

    We'll See Out There! New Member

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    Guys I think a bit of chill is needed here. Look Rashford's a good player, got some talent about him but so did Welbeck! A lot of talk about Barca being interested, really? And him becoming a 20 goal a season guy suddenly I'm not sure about either, has he ever got 15-20 goals a season?

    Ok I know United are not pulling up any weeds never mind feckin trees at the minute but come on, these player we have must know that when you leave United its only one way you go. Down.
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    Sky1981 Fending off the urge

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    Redcafe has this funny notion that if you're rashford when you're 21 you'd be messi when you're 24 as if potential is a straight line progression.

    Most players dont change much after 21, abit maturity and more experience in doing things probably. Ronaldo didnt jump alot from 21 because he's 21 but more because his ceiling is exceptionally high. I cant say the same for rashford, we dont see much improvement at all it's hard to think he'll suddenly up 1 or 2 level beyond
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    Classical Mechanic Full Member

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    The most he's got is 13 in a season and has done so in the past two seasons. Pogba had 8 penalties in the PL this year so if Rashford had taken them its fair to say he would have hit 20 goals last season. If Pogba leaves then Rashford will be our penalty taker so I definitely feel 25 -30 goals is a realistic target for him at some point, next season even.
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    Swiss_Red89 New Member

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    Not every foreign fan hates him.;)
    I absolutely love him exactly because of your posted reasons.

    Yes he's inconsistent, can be very frustrating and we don't know if he ever becomes absolutely world class. But i agree, people who want him gone at this stage of his career don't get this club imo.
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    Big Rashy fan, but if he's having his head turned on a mercenary level when he's an academy product of Man United, then good riddance. You're already rich as feck and you've got atleast 10 years of playing time ahead of you, you're far from world class yet so calm down and focus on being the best at Man United. Obviously I don't want him to leave, but demanding anymore than 200k is just ridiculous at this stage in his life/career.
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    If Pogba leaves Rashford will not get much ammo from midfield then I'm afraid, not sure JLings will be able to provide him with the chances. Anyway PK's to a striker are a bonus he should be looking at 20+ goals from open play then Pens on top of that score.

    I just feel most players at United think that they will be an instant success at any club they go to, completely ignoring that in most cases not all, the player that leaves United falls off the earth. Welbeck, Gibson, Evans etc all examples of who? now. The things that our club put in place for these guys to succeed is incredible, its n
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    ZenMaster Coltrane New Member

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    Please name all the difference makers from the academy who were integral to the Ferguson period of dominance. In 25+ years, there's Scholes, Giggs, Beckam, Neville, Butt, Hughes. Fletcher on a lower tier.

    And you want to wallow in this myth that the academy has delivered this conveyor belt of talent. All the top tier CBs were bought. Same with the majority of the forwards. Without Cantona, the whole project would have probably fizzled out. This mob thinking on the 'United way' is paralyzing.
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    Gary_Walsh_Nou_Camp_Hell New Member

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    It would say a lot about United if we can't hold on to a local lad, life long fan, who's come through the youth system

    Rashford is class. Ole threw him under the bus last season by making a youngster essential carry the team. Rashford is developing well and will be top class. United should give him the contract he deserves and keep him in our future plans
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    Pogue Mahone Poster of the year 2008

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    Where did i say that we had dozen of academy players which where integral for our past sucess? Of course we still need a lot of players to buy to challenge. And the academy players who aren't good enough were and are rightly sold. An academy player like Lingard should have his last chance to prove his worth for example.

    But I just don't understand the people who want Rashford sold at this stage.
    Rashford is 21 years old and Manchester born and bred,which excites a lot of United Fans if you like it or not. He already showed a lot of worldclass moments for us and his country. Is and was highly rated by every manager he has faced yet. It would be daft to sell him now. He has the potenzial to become world class and if not he certainly is good enough to be e squad player for us for a lot of years to come.

    If he don't becomes good enough to be a star player in the next 4-5 years but overrates himself and maybe want to go to another club to be the "star", it will be another story. But we certainly are a few years left from this possibility.
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    Rashford is 21 years old. Find me any other player in his position and in his age group who is achieving similar things to him, let alone who is better than him. You'll have trouble naming even one. People who want to sell him now... I honestly can't think of a more boneheaded idea. Why is everyone speculating on his wage demands or where he wants to be when it's literally just media speculation right now? I don't think he wants to leave. Of course Barca want him, Rashford is one of the best players in his age group. Personally I'd lose all faith I have in the long term planning of this club if we let someone like that go.
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    This would make him possibly the third (out of four) members of the Ole's at the Wheel song to leave this summer

    I'd be sad. And not just because we're going to need a new song
  32. Jun 11, 2019 at 12:34

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    Find it all a bit mental the hate for Rashford, he has a hell of a lot to learn, loads of maturing to do, finishing, decision making is the big one, not hitting it from everywhere and anywhere, needs taking off free kicks big time, loads to improve on.

    But the kid is 21, I think he has scored against every top 6 side now so have proven he can handle the big occasion, bit of time to mature and realize and improve and he will get there. I personally think he might be better as a LF than a number 9, cutting in with that wicked shot, pace, running in behind, he could get a fair few from that left hand side if we could get a decent Lukaku replacement and hopefully in a year or two, with Greenwood being our main number 9.

    Anyway, to people who want him sold, absolutely baffling, it would cost us a fortune to purchase a 21 year old striker with his ability and potential. Welcome to the social media age of fans, they need to be Messi/Ronaldo as soon as they turn pro or they are thrown on the skip, find it crazy.

    He loves the club, works his ass off and over the last 6 months has gotten carried away a bit thinking he is maybe better than he is, 21 year old me would be doing the exact same thing with also taking all my mates to Vegas on any weeks off so give the lad a break.

    Shed load more players I would bin off before Rash even came into the conversation.
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    Reminds me a lot of Brian Kidd, and not just the local boy angle; he plays much like Kiddo did circa 1971-72 when he was one of the stand-out players in a fading side. Hope Rashford doesn't go the same way and get stuck in the reserves, brought back, then sold as surplus to requirements like Kidd was.
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    StrettyEnder07 Full Member

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    Phil Neville, John O'Shea, Russell Beardsmore, Lee Martin, Mark Robbins, Clayton Blackmore, (could you put Lee Sharpe in there, only a raw kid when bought from Torquay), Wes Brown.

    So there have been a few mate.

    You want me to name anything else, just let me know.
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    Tom Van Persie No relation

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    It's weird to me how many on here want us to get rid of a young talented player.
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    We need a new Ole song period.
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    This.
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    his numbers are pretty good for a 21 year old, definitely no world class potential but should be a reliable option between first team and the bench.
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    Some people who used to watch the youth teams when he was there actually think he was better back then.

    I think being coached by Mourinho stalled his development and Ole still doesn't know the best way to use him (few of us do if even Marcus himself knows)

    Maybe our youth system has a better pattern of play than the first team. I hope he will stick around here as the thought of him developing somewhere else is bad.

    Still too early to say he is a Theo Walcott or a Welbeck. His career is only 3 years old.
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    StrettyEnder07 Full Member

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    Cheers mate haha