They are gearing up totally for the destruction of Iran

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    The Iranians know that each instance has nothing to do with Iran, but won't hesitate to use U.S. forces being nearby as an excuse to go nuclear (as if that would save their asses if the U.S. became interested in getting rid of them).


    The world has enough messanic fanatics trying to get access to nukes to add Sarah Palin to the equation. :)
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    It really isn't, if Iran was not hellbent on developing nuclear weapons then the West would not be considering action against her, Iran is the only country in the Middle East developing such capabilities and similarly it is the only country being looked at closely by the Pentagon. In terms of fundamentalist outlook the closest Middle East country to Iran is Syria, especially with regarding to their feelings about Israel and material support for terrorist organisations - and of course a country that borders Israel, though because they unlike Iran are not going down the nuclear route there is no western threat against them.
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    honestly.. is that even a possibility... ??? :nervous:

    kin hell it would be time to officially call them dumbfeckistan is that did happen
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    Yeah, it would start a regional arms race. Which is why it should be squashed now, rather than later.
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    We'll have to agree to disagree, I just don't buy your analysis of what the Iranians do and don't want. It seems simplistic. They know those actions have something to do with Iran, in the sense that they reflect the US's desire to project power across the middle east, by brute force if necessary. Which is something the regime defines itself by opposing, as do most Iranians, even those who despise the regime.

    Well quite!

    Tell that to the Iraqis, Afghans, Somalis, Yeminis and Pakistani Pashtuns. They're all being 'looked at closely by the Pentagon'.

    Or look at it this way. You have a psycho in a bar, railing against anyone who looks at him. If you and your mates go in mob-handed, kick the shit out of a few people, and stand in his personal space with broken bottles, is it irrational of him to want to pick up a pool cue?

    Syria is small-fry in comparison, Iran has a population of 70 million and growing, vast oil reserves and a self-conception as a major world power. Not sure about that 'fundamentalist' either, Syria is secular Ba'athi.

    The Israelis blew up some nuclear stuff in Syria a couple of years ago. Maybe destined for Iran, I'm not sure. I don't think Syria has the capacity to go nuclear at the moment.
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    peterstorey Specialist In Failure

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    Yeah absurd reasons like having the CIA engineer a regime change, having Iraq equipped to launch a war on them and invading countries left right and centre. fecking nutters.
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    yet...

    imagine though israel, iraq, syria, iran, afganistan... one big oil well / military base stretching from the med to china... its a neo con dream
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    Do you not think it is more than a coincidence that this heightened tension with Iran began in 2005, when Ahmadjinehad 'won' the Iranian election and started banging on about US imperialism with the push for nuclear weapons beginning.
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    Israel would be foolish to attack Iran as they did Iraq, as any Israeli attack on Muslims would galvanize Sunni and Shi'a against them, when right now, Iran and the Sunni world are mildly antagonistic towards one another. Best to let the U.S. take care of it with the tacit backing of significant parts of the Sunni and secular Muslim world.
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    And you're accusing others of being overly-simplistic in their analysis? Lets not forget there's been a constant brawl in that bar for as long as anyone can remember.
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    :lol:
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    Yes, crazy of me to think the Israelis would ever attack Muslims...

    Hehe, I knew that was coming and you're right.
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    There is no western threat against Syria, Afghanistan was due to them providing a safe haven for international terrorism with the same going for Western Pakistan and Somalia, whilst Iraq was the odd one out.

    I remember the 2005 Iranian election well as I was in Azerbaijan just before it, Rafsanjani was the favourite to win and was expected to who favoured revitalising relations with the United States, whilst Ahmadinejad came out of nowhere with a surprise, surprise hardline view against the western world, and here we are today.
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    Overly simplistic. What they do on their own turf is a far cry from flying over several Muslim countries to attack yet another one 100 times its size.
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    If you're looking for the roots of it - it's American foreign policy since 1946 with a particular emphasis on the coup of 1953.
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    lets face it they probably only dont nuke palestine because they want to build houses on the land when they have eventually starved / murdered them all... after all they need their Lebensraum
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    Iran has had beef with the West since well before that. The current one has its roots in 79.
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    You're the one who said they wouldn't attack Muslims, in case it galvanised Sunnis and Shi'ites against them.

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    No it isn't, since 1979 there has been no western interest in Iran accept since they began developing nuclear capabilities in the last five-ten years. If they were not developing them we would have no interest in the country.
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    erm correct me if im wrong but it wasnt israeli cities they were raining white phospherous down on was it
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    You realise the Palestinian population growth rate is around 3.44%?
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    I'm talking outside the sphere of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. The Sunni-Shi'a problem between the likes of Iran vs much of the Sunni Arab world works in Israel's favor. Thus if they attacked Iran, it would only serve to undermine sectarian squabbling and bring them closer together. That's why its best to allow the U.S. to deal with it.
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    Yeah but then some guys come in packing heat and claiming that they're the law and shoot everybody up.
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    You misunderstood the point. By their own turf, i meant their current sphere of influence.
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    shhh dont tell the israelis they will need to build some bigger bombs...
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    I agree, Saudi Arabia and the GCC countries are more concerned about Iran than they are Israel so they'd do well to stay well away from it.
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    Don't be silly - it's a major player in the ME with vast resources and population. Why did the US install at puppet government in 1953 and support it for 25 years?
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    Yes that's right, the demonic Israelis are wiping them out... which is why their population has soared since the start of the occupation and is growing fast, and why 60 years of conflict has killed probably less civilians than the average year in post-Saddam Iraq.
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    Because of the fear if they didn't the Soviet Union would, whereas after 1979 that fear had vanished as they dispised Moscow and of course following 1991 the Cold War was over.
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    It really wouldnt, just look at the power structures in the middle east.

    The "Sunni world" as you call it is dominated by the spineless Saudi royal family and that lapdog Mubarak's Egypt, and lets also not forget thet cretin King Abdulla of Jordan. Every single one of them is in the US's pocket and every single one of them see Iran and the spread of Shia Islam as a more potent threat than the US and Israel combined so quite frankly I don't see them shedding any tears if Iran gets nuked or at the very least crippled. Yes it may upset the majority of Iraqis, and a few of the Shia minorities in some countries and perhaps Syria, but they'd hardly be in a position to retaliate in an act of vengeance, nor can they afford to.

    So in essence the Iranians are on their own and will hence NEED this nuke to discourage the Israelis or yanks from initiating an assault, since none of their neighbours will speak up (and will instead encourage their yank allies). If the US have Iran toppled then they have control of the entire region with only pockets of resistance groups (i.e. Hamas, Hezbollah etc) in their way.

    The Iranians and 'Sunni powers' despise each other more than they despise the Yanks/Israelis...infact the latter have amicable relations with them.
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    So am I, read the link. It's nothing to do with the Palestinians, it's about the Israelis flying over several Muslim countries to attack another one 100 times its size.
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    so are you saying they should kill more as population controll... what for to make Lebensraum??????
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    Its not the numbers I'd be worried about but the lands that have been annexed from them, and are continually being done so as we speak.
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    Yes, that's what I'm saying...

    Well I don't exactly like the numbers either as it happens, but I was replying to the spaz gibbering about genocide.
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    Only if you discount the probable reaction. I mean how rational is it to force Saudi Arabia and the other Gulf States to buy nukes from the US? Will Iran and the region be safer? I doubt it and if Iran chose not to go ahead with its nuke programme wouldn't that make US military action against them impossible.

    The more I think about it the more it seems that the Iranian drive for nuclear weapons is internally driven. I also think that the idea of Iran becoming stronger as a power in the region following the invasion of Iraq makes sense logically but hasn’t actually happened. Iran seems more unstable and less powerful. If you have to shoot your own people to keep them in line then how do you become a regional power selling that line to others?
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    You can't guarantee that. You can bet your buck that the US wants the current Iranian regime toppled, nukes or no nukes. If it doesn't pursue its nuclear programme then the US will dig around for other justifications.

    Again using the Iraq war as an example, when the WMDs were no where to be found then suddenly 'regime change' became the agenda...on the basis that Saddam was suddenly found to be a brutal, oppressive dictator who committed atrocities on his own people. Likewise, if Iran don't get the nuke and the US still want an attack then they'll just justify under the banner of liberating the Iranian people from their oppressive government, or Iran's neighbours from a 'potential' threat.
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    They are more powerful in the sense that their large neighbour is no longer a counterweight, and in fact they have deep influence in its government. Everyone in the region is scared of them. Plus Hezbollah, their proxies, are a real force to be reckoned with both militarily and politically.

    But yes, they're also unstable, mainly due to Ahmadinejad making such a mess of running the economy.
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    I find the foreign rhetoric about the US amusing, when Bush was president it was Bush who was doing everything, now with Obama at the helm, it's the US.
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    To be fair, who doesn't? I just hope it's toppled peacefully.
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    Yeah, Alexander started it all in 300BC.

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