They are gearing up totally for the destruction of Iran

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    cinc Full Member

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    What I'm saying is that using a former taliban in a revolution against a known terrorist is no proof that the Libyan uprising has anything to do with Al Queda. Sure, there will be people sympathising in any country (west/east/middleearth) with those sons of bitches, but that doesnt mean that the majority of the people in it or the leaders are Al Queda loving zealots.

    Thats generalizing based on anecdotal evidence and is a where ignorant thing to do.
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    Commadus Banned

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    Enemies become friends and friends become enemies when it suits them. The US has played this game long enough as have other countries. It's about control of resources and influence. Egypt had a pliant leader and going forth it may cool its relationships with the US.

    Polticians have failed to deliver stable economies so they resort to saving us from this all encompassing enemy - politics of fear.
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    Ah... here it is... was my post merged to this thread.. about Israel passing out gas masks?
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    mjs020294 Banned

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    Please define passing out gas masks? I thought most the population already had them TBH.
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    holyland red Full Member

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    ~40% of them don't.
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    Frosty Logical and sensible but turns women gay

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    Why does the handing out of gas masks mean Israel attacking Iran is imminent? Surely it would be better strategically just to attack them, without any warning signs? Have I missed something obvious?
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    holyland red Full Member

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    Not at all. We got ours a couple of years ago. It's not like they started distribution recently. There are no masks available for the entire population because necessary funds were never allocated. The masks issue will make the headlines when panic starts after no available masks are left, probably following some muscle flexing from either side.
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    So, what did the 20% who aren't Arabs do to deserve not getting gas masks? :yawn:
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    Left-wing twats ;)
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    How long before the yanks get impatient and just bomb the feck out of everybody??
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    It's not us who have the itchy trigger finger on this. It's Israel.
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    iSparky Likes Dags. but not as much as his Dad

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    did Obama not say that if Israel did not do something they would need to intervene? I may be wrong though
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    mjs020294 Banned

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    I can't see Israel or the US standing by and letting a country like Iran develop nuclear weapons. The risks are just too high to even consider taking a chance.
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    I am baffled why Iran want to commit suicide.
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    mjs020294 Banned

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    Which is another reason the US and Israel can and will not let them fulfill their nuclear ambitions. Iran have been aiding and funding Hezbollah elements for decades. No way the region or world will be a safer place with a nuclear Iran.
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    i expect this to be 'resolved' this spring.
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    There are too many internal and external pressures on the regime, to where it feels the need to proceed with the nuclear program to create a degree of national pride that can balance internal pressures for reform. The problem is that by ignoring international voices, its heaping on more pressure that is making things worse. There's really only one way out of this for the regime, and that's to resume talks, cooperate with the IAEA and keep things at the diplomatic level.
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    being hopeful here. Did they not give some 'assurance' about what they are doing?

    Problem is no one believes them. They need to open up for verification without any restrictions.
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    Am I wrong in saying this:

    To avoid any sanctions from the US, Europe and UN, and stop the military intervention talk - Iran really have to just bend over for the US and Israel.
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    They have to give up their nuclear program and allow inspectors in to verify it.
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    Send in Hans Blix
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    mjs020294 Banned

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    Yes you're wrong. They have to allow the IAEA to inspect their facilities, and they need to stop and nuclear power generation.

    Seriously anyone that can argue for a second its a good idea to have a nuclear Iran, is a sandwich short of a picnic. This a country with extreme Islamic elements, and they have been sponsoring terrorism for decades. Hezbollah wouldn't even exist in its current form without Iranian training and money.

    Its just not worth the risk of introducing more nuclear weapons into an already volatile region.
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    It's more that Israel has a "line in the sand" that, if crossed, will necessitate action on their part. If that happens and Iran retaliate, we would have to respond because of a mutual defense treaty. The US and EU have enacted stringent sanctions on Iran in hopes of preventing them getting to that point and force them to the negotiating table. The US doesn't want to use military action and is trying to avoid it if possible.
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    ^ Of course it isnt going to be easy, people need to stop making Osirak comparisons and realise how delicate of a situation this really is. Provoke Iran and you'll most likely set the entire region on fire.
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    The Israeli perspective is different from the US's. They just want to stop the Iranian program now with strikes and don't mind so much the consequences. The US wants to end the pursuit of nuclear weapons for good. It doesn't want to have to keep going back and bombing them when they get too close to a bomb.

    I don't know that Israel could pull it off at the moment though given their technical limitations rather than the abilities of Iran.

    However, I have no idea what Iran might hope to achieve with "preemptive strikes" like the guy in the Guardian article suggested. It would only piss everyone off and set them against Iran.
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    After 'two senior US officers' were shot inside the Interior Ministry building in Kabul, apparently in retaliation to the burning of Korans by US soldiers, NATO has removed their staff.

    BBC News - Nato pulls out of Afghan ministries after Kabul attack
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    mjs020294 Banned

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    What has the attack in Kabul got to do with this thread?
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    iSparky Likes Dags. but not as much as his Dad

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    While I am not an anti-war nut or anything like that I must say that quote is clearly someone seeking some sort of justification should the US decide to go in.
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    I feel like Iran, Israel and the US have to take a back seat for a moment here. Just read through the last couple of pages. Al-Qaeda basically running Egypt now? What the feck Danny?
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    I have to say, even if its unrelated to the context of this thread, these US soldiers were to say the least - incredibly fecking stupid. I mean regardless about what you think about the Quran/Islam, if you're an occupying force struggling to win over the locals then the last thing you do is burn their most holy book. They've just gifted the Taliban a recruitment boost.
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    Practically = the ones who are ruling Egypt now (or to be accurate the ones who "won the elections") are very close to Al-Qaeda in their beliefs and ideologies, regardless what name they use.

    However, Egypt is not what's confusing me really, because the US and the NATO didn't actively help Islamists gain power there.. The main problem is Libya and Syria, as they have been/are helping Al-Qaeda (or their equivalents) gain power in those countries, despite the bad things we all have been hearing the US say about Al-Qaeda and Islamic extremists..

    Furthermore, the default-one-to-blame for any terrorist attacks happening these days has suddenly changed from Al-Qaeda to Iran, with Al-Qaeda getting almost no mention in the possible suspects list..

    This HAS to be a confusing change in the US policy, for somebody who believes what they say, although it does look a lot like how Al-Qaeda gained power in Afghanistan in the first place.. And remember, when the US helped Al-Qaeda grow in Afghanistan, it wasn't called Al-Qaeda at the time either..
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    Did they win the elections?

    If so, how?
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    Danny's being his usual ignorant self.

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