Thierry Henry replaces Jardim as Monaco manager | Replaced by err...Jardim

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    Zoo Full Member

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    Thrashed 1-5 at home to Strasbourg.
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    VorZakone What would Kenny G do?

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    Adisa likes to take afvanadva wothowi doubt

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    First managerial stint has been a disaster.
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    cyberman Full Member

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    If I'm a Sky pundit I'm never taking up a managerial position.
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    Keeps It tidy Hates Messi

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    I have no idea why these former world class players with cushy pundit jobs even try management at all.
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    Sayros Full Member

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    Ego.
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    freeurmind weak willed

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    Should be mentioned, Monaco had an early red card in that game.
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    Utdstar01 Full Member

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    Is it Neville Valencia bad?
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    OverratedOpinion Full Member

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    I think they probably miss being actively involved in the game, it is a weird type of career that ends at 35.
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    tenpoless Full Member

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    It's like a Karma for these pundits.
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    Keeps It tidy Hates Messi

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    I think this is much worse since with Neville he had never lived or played in Spain. With Henry he went back to the club where he started his career at.
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    awop New Member

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    Neville had some ressemblance of a squad though. He just got Falcao back, had to sign 40y old center backs and have around 50 injured players.
    I'm sure he'd be able to get them fighting for Europe with a fit squad from the start.
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    Raees Legal Guardian of the Football forums

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    Any Monaco fans give us an insight into what’s going wrong there tactically??
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    RedSky likes to kick 10-year-olds Scout

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    From their new signing no less.
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    AaronRedDevil New Member

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    And he speaks the bloody language
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    arthurka Full Member

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    God awful.
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    DBT85 Full Member

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    Why have the pundits not told him that he just needs to make the players smile. It's all Ole has done after all.
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    snk123 Full Member

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    :lol:

    Paul Ince's "even I could go in there instead of Thierry and do what he's done" would make sense now.
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    Christie New Member

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    I doubt money and job security are at the top of their list of concerns.
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    TheScriptwriter New Member

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    I don't think he is their main problem. They weren't doing much better before he came. Whats surprising is that their squad doesn't look that bad on paper.
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    They've had a rediculous amount of injuries, let's see what he can do once players are back and Cesc settles in.
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    JPRouve can't stop thinking about balls - NOT deflategate

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    Tactically I'm not a fan, he uses a back three that looks more like a back 5, there is no width, no pace, no pressing, no aggressiveness. Even when you take into account the injuries and players living on undeserved reputation, tactically they have no identity, it's difficult to spot the game plan.

    But it's worth mentioning that some of the players that I see listed aren't good players, they are bottom league players. The likes of Tielemans, Chadli, Raggi, Ait Bennasser. I don't know what to make of Golovin and then Falcao is naturally declining while Sidibé most likely killed his career by not getting the surgery, apparently he hasn't been able to train properly this season.
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    Damien Self-Aware RedCafe Database (and Admin) Staff

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    And the money. Yeah, they got a lot of money during their playing career but wouldn't say no to a few more millions. If it goes wrong, then the pundit job welcomes them back with open arms.
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    Monaco were mental to hire him. You don't take a gamble on an inexperienced manager when you're heading towards relegation. You can do that when you're in a position where you have little to lose and everything to gain, like us with Ole. Not when you desperately need a massive improvement to avoid relegation. They should've hired a French Allardyce or someone similar.
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    Enigma_87 You know who

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    Strasbourg also had one although of course after the game was already decided.

    Fail to win in the next two games (Monaco should be favorites in those) and he should be sacked. Can't get any worse really.
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    BAMSOLA Has issues!

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    A Monaco fan might be able to offer more insight but having watched them for about the last few games now (before today/yesterday which I missed) they appear to have no clearly definable playing style (that I can see) and a lot of talented players recently signed who don't appear to be taking what is a good opportunity to further their careers, particularly Golovin but also Tielemans to a lesser extent (despite scoring recently there are still very few highlights of his performances this season).

    Most of them appear to lack the character to deal with a crisis or stand up and be counted in one and so going forward despite adding Fabregas (who was always gonna take time to settle) they don't look in any way convincing probably because they aren't moving the ball quickly enough or instinctively enough with purpose.

    All this is of course compounded by the fact that they are defensively terrible with no leader emerging there either so far.

    A large part of this could be poor coaching but appears to be exacerbated by players hiding and not taking responsibility.
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    Raees Legal Guardian of the Football forums

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    Just seems such a shame - I guess as a pundit I never really thought he was a very smart man but I would have thought the experience under Martinez and just his general aura and ability to relate to younger footballers would have at least led to a spike in motivation levels.

    Definitely worse than Neville’s stint thus far which was such a stupid career choice as a first job in hindsight. This one much easier from the viewpoint of previous club and no language barrier.
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    André Dominguez Full Member

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    Henry is seriously making himself a contender for the Gary Neville award. I'm surprised he's not off yet!
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    Sassy Colin Death or the gladioli!

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    At least Neville didn't get Valencia relegated! Hope they go down so we can pick up Teilemans and any other decent youth players.
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    BarstoolProphet Full Member

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    And no taxes.
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    JPRouve can't stop thinking about balls - NOT deflategate

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    You don't want Tielemans and it's borderline shocking that you mentioned him.
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    crossy1686 Full Member

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    His was one of Europe's best up and coming midfielders before Monaco, everyone was saying what a great signing he was. One bad season doesn't write him off completely.
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    SilentWitness ShoelessWitness Staff

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    He was coaching with Belgium but i'm assuming it was a specialised position focusing on their forwards. Completely the wrong job for him based on that experience.
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    JPRouve can't stop thinking about balls - NOT deflategate

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    It's not one bad season, his reputation is totally undeserved. He wasn't up to it last season and isn't this season either, he doesn't really have any special qualities other than a good shot. The only thing that saves him is that he is young but if you judge his on field performances it's a very average Ligue 1 player.
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    Grande Full Member

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    No Mourinho effect? Disappointing.

    It’s interesting how the lack of character that was described in our own squad as a given, has seemingly evaporated with a change of hands, while at Monaco it seems exacerbated.
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    JPRouve can't stop thinking about balls - NOT deflategate

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    Well, the contexts are totally different. United had good players not playing at their best while Monaco has bad players not playing well while the best players have been injured for the better part of the season. Also Monaco lost most of its key players this summer and didn't replace them with equivalent players. The issue with Monaco wasn't the manager and they replaced him with a worse one.
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    crossy1686 Full Member

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    He'll most certainly leave at the end of the season along with a few others if they go down. Weren't Dortmund interested in him before the Monaco move? I'd be interested to see how he'd do in a team like that.
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    Agree with @JPRouve on this...Tielemans' apparent reputation as a supremely talented midfielder is a bit undeserved if you chart his progression in recent years. He was fantastic for his age as a 16-17 year old, no doubt about that, but since then he hasn't evidenced a whole lot of improvement in terms of his all-round play as a central midfielder to be a target for a club like United, aside from one admittedly good season at Anderlecht. This isn't to say he will amount to nothing, just that he isn't a premier talent from his age-group and doesn't seem to have the elite traits needed to become a top-notch player in the years to come. Sometimes a young player just doesn't develop as well as you would hope and the initial furore turns out to be misleading (like Anthony Vanden Borre — who was considered a comparable talent to Kompany for Belgium in the early 2000s but was overtaken by Vertonghen/Alderweireld in the years to come after tanking at Fiorentina). We will surely have better options in the market.