Tiemoue Bakayoko

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  1. Dec 7, 2017
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    MadDogg Full Member

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    That's what Chelsea obviously needed though. I think Bakayoko will be a good player, but with the players that Chelsea have they more need someone who will sit and distribute. Same with us, that's why selling Matic to us made so little sense for them.
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    As you mentioned, he does need time, though the criticism is valid at this point, albeit a bit premature.

    The only thing I was sceptical about when you signed him, was that he might have been a bit too similar to Kante? Like they don't compliment each other that well. But it's obvious Conte wanted 2 hard pressing CM's as a combination, as opposed to a CM and a DM, who's job is to sit deep.

    Maybe Luiz falling out of favor (sort of - I'm not sure why he hasn't played that much - injury maybe?) has also hurt the balance of your team a bit, as he was able to step out of the back 3 and move into a sort of DM position, when you had the ball.
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    They got Drinkwater who is more than capable of doing that. He's got a history with Kante too.
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    At Conte's next club surely :confused:
  5. Dec 7, 2017
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    He is a good player, he reminds me of Fellaini (said it many times) but that doesn't mean he is shit, he is good player but looks bit clumsy.
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    Christensen does that every bit as well, if not better. We haven't missed Luiz one little bit.
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    @Don _ Conte will have something to say about this thread!
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    He's like Emre Can. You can see glimpses of potential but he's still very raw.
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    Aargh thanks. Haven't watched you often enough to really know this.
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    Don _ Conte New Member

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    IMO he started off better and has had some stand out games where hes bossed the middle, Atletico, United & Spurs. But recently he has dropped off the pace quite a bit very disappointing, I have faith that he will turn the glimpses he has shown into consistency but at the moment he needs to get it together.

    Comparisons with Matic are silly lol its only non chelsea fans that seem to think we will actually feel disappointed about losing Matic even though for the last 2 years he was average at best and poor at points. Judging by our recent form it seems our midfield is doing well.
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    While the agenda is obvious I have never really got the media's and United fans insistence to compare him to Matic every time we drop points and/or Baka has a bad game.

    They are both different players, with different strengths and weaknesses and both have good games and bad. The only time a comparison would have been apt was after they went head to head, and funnily enough I didn't see any comparisons for quite a while after that game, I wonder why?
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    Not at all. Monaco used Bakayoko in the same way Chelsea have been using Kante: as a B2B ball-winner and transition ball-carrier. Fabinho was the one making attacking runs when they had to attack a deep-set defence
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    I was never a fan of the guy, I thought he was very average back at Monaco and was surprised to see Chelsea go after him when they already had Kante and Matic. He could definitely improve, but Chelsea's decision to go after him and letting go of Matic will always be one of the most puzzling move they've made in recent years as far as I'm concerned.
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    amolbhatia50k Sneaky bum time

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    I've not been impressed by him. Maybe he's still adjusting to a new league and team but based on what I've he seems clumsy on the ball and isn't brilliant enough defensively to make up for it. Early days though.
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    This whole thread is pretty much just bashing of him, but I think he'll be a great buy for Chelsea. He's looked decent the times I've watched them.
    Drinkwater's featured lately though.
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    The thing with Bakayoko is that he looked the weakest midfielder in the Monaco team with Lemar, Silva and Fabinho being the ones that impressed the most from a creative or defensive standpoint. A few posters raised the question about him perhaps only being a good/decent player in very well performing team with superior talents around him.

    So this “criticism” of him not being that good is nothing new. It’s not specific to his time at Chelsea. Time is on his side and he could prove us wrong but as with a year ago, I maintain the position that I see nothing special in Bakayoko as a talent. We shall see I guess.
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    And Fabinho was also the one covering for Bakayoko when Monaco were playing in more conservative way. Like you said, Bakayoko in all scenarios was the non-specialist.
  18. Dec 9, 2017 at 18:25
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    Even Matt is criticising him.
  19. Dec 9, 2017 at 19:20
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    I told folks Chelsea would regret replacing Matic with him...Very suspect positional sense
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    I'm not sure it's correct to say that Chelsea would regret the situation. Who from Chelsea have said they do? As for Chelsea fans I don't hear many saying they were sad to see Matic go. He was a decent enough player for us most of the time but he had some dreadful periods over a number of games for us too - periods when his pace deserted him, or his interceptions were woeful and/or when he looked like he just didn't want to be on the park.
  21. Dec 10, 2017 at 14:50
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    He just strikes me as an athlete, rather than a football player. One of those physical specimens whose physical attributes and stamina have made him look better than he actually is - he just doesn't seem like a talented footballer, to me. A useful player, yes. But not particularly talented at the game.
  22. Dec 10, 2017 at 16:43
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    Agreed. His techincal quality isn't of top class standard but if you have pace and power you can still forge a decent career in the premier league. Maybe players have done this with good athleticism.

    N'zonzi would've probably been a better pick up for Chelsea.
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    Black player stereotype #8
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    Quick someone bump up the Jordan Henderson thread....;)
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    Surely it’s black player stereotype #1?

    It seems to be true in this guys case though. I thought he was pretty good against us with his strength and driving runs through midfield.
  26. Dec 10, 2017 at 19:40
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    Three guarantee's in life. Death, taxes and Matic being made out to be Xavi everytime Bakayoko has a bad game.
  27. Dec 10, 2017 at 19:41
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    It really isnt. There are countless black players with a high level of technical skill. Pogba is an example of an extremely gifted footballer. There are also countless non-black players that have nothing going for them except their physical qualities. Henderson being a prime example.
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    Don’t forget Kevin Davies, Andy Carroll, Shane Long etc
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    Its inevitable. Murmurs of discontent about him have already started
  30. Dec 13, 2017 at 09:07
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    His best performance in a Chelsea shirt last night. Broke up play, controlled the middle and his passing was great, really influential. Good to see him bounce back with a strong performance.
  31. Dec 13, 2017 at 11:29
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    I'd agree with you on that, I was quite disappointed that he went to Chelsea as I thought he'd do well In a 3 alongside Matic & Pogba, and given licence to push forward, but I think you will Bakayoko deliver much more next season.

    Immediately after I drop him from my Dream Team...!! :mad:
  32. Dec 13, 2017 at 11:43
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    Me too. Completely agree. They should have went for Fabinho, considering they needed a right back as well.
  33. Dec 13, 2017 at 11:57
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    He's as mediocre as they come, wouldn't look out of place at Watford.
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    Think he's struggling to adapt. His history at Monaco was that he was not focused at all until Makelele sorted him out, so I think he'll take a little while to settle and adapt.

    The way he plays makes it more difficult tbh, it's like a dog that wants to be let off a leash - dive into a tackle then sprint 30/40 yards with the ball. At the moment he doesn't seem to know when to switch it on though, so he ends up missing tackles and losing the ball.
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    Baka is a bright talent with enough room to grow but I do think that Chelsea was wrong to allow Matic go. The only valid reason for letting Matic leave was if he actually wanted to leave and the situation couldn't be rescued. Baka brings a different set of skills to the table than Matic and even if Chelsea were keen on getting the former on board, there was a strong case for keeping hold of Matic imo. The reason I say this is because Matic is the perfect partner for the marauding beast that Kante is. I watched Chelsea last season and oftentimes, I couldn't help but be envious of this midfield match that could only have been made in heaven - one that was the base of a great counter attacking system as good as any you'll find in Europe. The Chelsea team I watched last year wasn't one whose defenders so excelled in the art but one that had mastered the art of protecting her defenders. Kante and Matic were very key in this regard.

    I was talking to a mate the other day about this subject and he showed me Bakayoyko vs Matic stats i.e. clearances, blocks, interceptions, successful tackles, succesful take-ons per game and Bakayoyko appeared to come tops in most. I just laughed at him because he clearly missed out on a fundamental point that most people tend not to pick on from Matic's game.

    You see Kante was the one that would run all day long, breaking up play high up the field and deep, starting good counter attacks in the process and was a constant menace to attacking plans of opposing teams. However, Kante's style meant that there would be spaces in behind the midfield (what i call the key areas) that opposition attackers, especially the very creative ones would love to exploit. The perfect answer to this is a player like Matic that sweeps. Matic is that player that's never shy to put in a tackle where necessary but is not reliant on this but more importantly has the intelligence anticipate danger and plug the holes before they are exploited. It was Paolo Maldini the great that said the famous words along the lines of, 'If I have to make a tackle then I have already made a mistake' alluding to the rare skill of seeing danger and dealing with it way before it ever happens.

    I am convinced that Bakayoyko will only get better but I'm even more certain that the 2017/18 version of Conte's creation has not replaced Matic and actualy needs to.