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To Be a Machine

Discussion in 'Current Events' started by SteveJ, Sep 9, 2017.

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    SteveJ all-round nice guy, aka Uncle Joe Kardashian Scout

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    A captivating exploration of transhumanism: cryonics, cyborgs, immortality & the hubris of Silicon Valley

    Max More runs Alcor, an American company which, in exchange for $200,000, will store your corpse in liquid nitrogen until the science exists to revive you. Tim Cannon is a computer programmer who implanted a device the size of a pack of cards into his arm, without the aid of anaesthetics. Zoltan Istvan recently ran for US president and publicised his campaign by driving across the country in a huge vehicle modified to look like a coffin.

    These are among the unusual individuals Mark O’Connell interviews in his travelogue-style exploration of transhumanism, the movement that campaigns for the direct incorporation of technology into our bodies and minds, and strives to remove ageing as a cause of death. “What are my chances, would you say, of living to a thousand?” the author asks Aubrey de Grey, an established figure in this strange world: “I would say perhaps a little better than fifty-fifty,” is the serious reply. “It’s very much dependent on the level of funding.”

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    https://www.theguardian.com/books/2017/mar/23/to-be-a-machine-by-mark-oconnell-review
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    ivaldo Mediocre Horse Whisperer, s'up wid chew?

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    I thought this was another thread about Kante.
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    Sky1981 Fending off the urge

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    More like pay me 200k and i die rich while you... Er.. You... Talk to your lawyer after i die
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    12OunceEpilogue Full Member

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    that would be 'to be like two machines'
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    senorgregster Last Newbie Standing

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    There's one massive problem with freezing in liquid nitrogen. It irreversibly kills cells. You need to do a controlled slow freeze with cryoprotectants to keep cells alive. You'd have to perfuse an entire body with the protectants. The best way would be to pierce your heart before you die (has to be pumping) with a tube connected to the protecting solution. I'm pretty sure they are not doing that.
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    Nickosaur Full Member

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    Ignoring the actual science behind whether this is possible for a second. I like to think of myself as fairly open-minded, but I see very little if any positive impact on humanity if selected people can live for extended periods of time.
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    senorgregster Last Newbie Standing

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    There's that too.
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    Raoul Admin Staff

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    Who wants to live forever ?
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    UnrelatedPsuedo I pity the poor fool who stinks like I do!

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    JustAFan The Adebayo Akinfenwa of football photoshoppers

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    The thing about this freezing you after you die is that you are not so much waiting for science to cure whatever disease you have but for science to be able to reverse death.
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    Ramshock CAF Pilib De Brún Translator

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    You gotta beat the machine?
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    Awesome
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    SteveJ all-round nice guy, aka Uncle Joe Kardashian Scout

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    SteveJ all-round nice guy, aka Uncle Joe Kardashian Scout

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    Mike Schatner Devil's advocnut

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    Not a lot of point being frozen as a wrinkly 90 year old.
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    Arruda Love is in the air, everywhere I look around

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    They actually are. Trying, at least.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alcor_Life_Extension_Foundation#Policies_and_procedures

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    berbatrick Full Member Scout

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    Thanks for the links, I'm probably going to buy that 2nd book and then leave it unread for 8 months.
    Edit - just saw the price...think I'll wait :D
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    afrocentricity Part of first caf team to complete Destiny raid

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    Not sure how serious you were, but its not so much the state of the body, presuming technology had advanced well enough to fix any possible physical issues upon defrosting, but moreso how well the brain and brain function has been preserved.

    For example you could be defrosted and installed into an android, a simulation, a younger clone of yourself etc....
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    Mike Schatner Devil's advocnut

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    Watching Altered Carbon right now. Its a SiFi show where peoples stack (their brain/thoughts) are installed in Sleeves (new bodies). Quite and interesting concept.
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    afrocentricity Part of first caf team to complete Destiny raid

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    ;) that and black mirror spring to mind.

    I know its something transhumanist believe and want, dunno how I feel...
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    I think if it ever gets possible to live forever it will be as a cyborg of some kind. We would upload our thoughts and memories into a cyborg and then free our selves from our bodies. I think it is very possible it can be done. Question is if that is something we would want or allow. If I were to be very selfish I would say "yes, I would love to choose myself when to die". But everything has a consequence and I'm not sure I would like to find out what those would be if people could decide them selves when to die.
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    Mike Schatner Devil's advocnut

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    I think we are a very long way from that sort of advancement. Certainly not in anyone life time that is posting today.
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    Living forever sounds quite awful.
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    What I've read the experts on this field believe it will be done by 2100.
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    Raoul Admin Staff

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    This just scratches the surface of why AI scares the hell out of me.

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    Mike Schatner Devil's advocnut

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    They are really creepy for sure.
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    Yelp. We're fecked. Nice knowing y'all.
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    The bit where robot 1 "telepathically" summons robot 2 to open the door was a bit eery.
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    Globule signature/tagline creator extraordinaire

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    I normally get told to go feck myself when I order people to open doors for me, so I'm all for this robot utopia.
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    Don't Kill Bill Full Member

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    I had a pet Weimaraner that could open doors like that Luckily we invented a thing called a key and that stopped the whole world from collapsing.
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    Henrik Larsson Still logged in at RAWK (help!)

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    Those feckers Raoul posted are creepy fore sure, although I suspect this is enhanced in my head because their style of movement reminds me of insects.

    More human like is scary too though, that balancing in the end :nervous:

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    oneniltothearsenal Caf's Milton Friedman (and Arse aficionado) Scout

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    I consider myself a fairly strong technological optimist and a futurist. I definitely believe in a post-human future but I think some of the current transhumanist movement mix wingnuts and con artists.
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    I'm definitely in the camp that humans in their current form are going to be gradually replaced at some point in a similar way to how chemistry once became biology. Biology will simply gradually become something else; and consciousness itself will eventually diffuse into a new medium.
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    oneniltothearsenal Caf's Milton Friedman (and Arse aficionado) Scout

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    That's a good way of summing how I feel for the most part. I do think the whole question about access and wealth is going to be important which is what I did like about Altered Carbon if you've seen that.
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    Raoul Admin Staff

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    Haven't see it, but I'll definitely check it out. I do think there is something to this idea that although we die, we are part of a much larger system that continues to live indefinitely while its components continue to self-replicate and learn from previous iterations (ie humans dying and new humans being born, each with slightly more information at their disposals than the prior generation). We are in that sense, a bit like self-aware Bacteria whose existence is dedicated to supporting the welfare of a much larger system.
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    Can they make a robot that can cross the ball?
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    SteveJ all-round nice guy, aka Uncle Joe Kardashian Scout

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    Extreme biohacking: the tech guru who spent $250,000 trying to live for ever
    Silicon Valley millionaire Serge Faguet thinks pills, injections and implants will turn him into a superhuman. Could they?
    https://www.theguardian.com/science...t-250000-trying-to-live-for-ever-serge-faguet
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    Dwazza Gunnar Solskjær Lutefisk is it!

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    Just imagine the horror of 200 years of Yeti Pubes.
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    Raoul Admin Staff

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    I feel sorry for these people who die and think they can be revived at a later date.