Transfer window closing earlier in England.

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    SAred Full Member

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    Surely this decision has to be a mistake by the clubs and the FA. Especially seeing that other countries transfer windows close month end. What where the clubs and FA thinking.
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    Jinn Full Member

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    It was a brainfart of an idea.
    I think there was a vote and the majority voted for the idea. UTD apparently voted against.
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    SAred Full Member

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    So great news with our best player having 3 more weeks for Barca to turn his head and no replacement. What where they thinking.
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    Trizy New Member

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    Bit shit for PL clubs if it comes to losing a player after the window closes. Even more shit doing it on a world cup year.
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    AlwaysRed66 Full Member

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    It is the correct decision, with the only addition being you cannot sell players to other leagues after this date. Personally, I liked the old system where clubs could sign players throughout the season, which stopped all these panic buys. If though we have to have artificial limits, it is better they are in place before the season starts.
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    Sparky Rhiwabon Full Member

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    It does seem to put English clubs at a disadvantage.

    I think it was designed to help the “smaller” Premier League clubs so that they know what squad they’re going into the season with. But I’m not sure it really even does that - e.g. you could imagine a situation where we buy Maguire on deadline day, then suddenly Leicester are left scrambling for any old CB or facing half a season without one.
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    littlepeasoup Full Member

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    Give peas a chance.
    You do realise that the club do have to accept a bid before that happens, right? Which is just not going to happen. Simmer down.
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    Cloud7 Full Member

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    It was a ridiculous decision from day 1, and I’m at least glad United voted against it.

    The only way this could ever work is if all the leagues adopted it. English football doesn’t exist in a sphere by itself, so much transfer business is done with clubs outside of England that it is insane to limit the clubs like this.

    I seriously hope this decision becomes rescinded next year.
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    A brexit level stupid decision by the country that brought you er.... brexit
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    Jinn Full Member

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    Yep, on with the show....more drama till september
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    stu_1992 Full Member

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    I like the idea to have squads settled before the start of the season, but it hasn't worked in practice. Not least because the other leagues still have open transfer windows so can still come in for our players. The obvious other thing is that it really hasn't worked out in a World Cup year. Too much to do in too little time. Doesn't work at the very top level.
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    Ace of Spades Full Member

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    It was a stupid idea, as it helps no one. It would help a bit if the clubs were not allowed to sell as well. Now, clubs may lose players but won't be able to sign replacements.
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    12OunceEpilogue Full Member Scout

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    If you're being kind you'd say it was a brave decision to put the choice in the hands of clubs and carry through their democratically-chosen verdict, and personally I like the idea of the window being closed before play begins so everyone knows where they stand from the first game onwards.

    However to do it unilaterally was crazy, and I wonder were the likes of us and Chelsea to lose important players after our window shuts could there be possible challenges, legal or otherwise, in the offing against the PL?
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    SAred Full Member

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    I do release that but Paul got in a little hissy fit last season and was dropped for Scott. Now what is he going to be playing like if we decide to refuse an offer when he could of been playing in Barcelona. Its pointless to keep a player that does not want to be here especially a French one.
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    I think the English clubs expected the rest of Europe to follow suit. They didn't, so it looks questionable now, especially in a WC year.
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    Monumentally moronic decision, compounded by introducing it right after a World Cup. No surprise Liverpool voted in favour of it.
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    Reynoldo Full Member

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    They really must have as without this it was an idiotic decision to handicap the PL against the rest of Europe.

    If they really wanted to do something to stop the lower PL teams losing players after the season started then it should have just been an internal PL transfer window closing before the season started and let the clubs deal with the rest of Europe as before.
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    I think the idea is actually good but it should be applied to all leagues in UEFA, not just the PL. The way it is right now leaves English teams with way less time to conduct their business. Maybe they will adapt in the coming seasons and try and acquire their targets before the window even opens like Liverpool basically did.
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    charlenefan Far less insightful than the other Charley

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    It's a good idea in theory however

    1- implementing it during a WC year was a massive oversight
    2- non English clubs shouldn't still be able to bid for our players once our window has shut. Barca's Pogba interest a prime reason why as while you would hope Thursday would see an end to the rumours it actually wont until August 31st
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    Castia Full Member

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    Huge mistake that is becoming evident to all the PL clubs, we’re hamstringing ourselves for no reason.

    If it was implemented all over Europe at the same time it could work but now the English clubs are at a disadvantage.
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    littlepeasoup Full Member

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    Give peas a chance.
    We've already allegedly refused an offer. I think he'll play just fine, but you're the expert.
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    tonnas New Member

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    Utd wont sell simple as that!
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    Jacob Full Member

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    It's not an issue. Next season we will look back at the change with positivity. It's human nature to resist change, even though it may be for the good. Stop selling from season start as well.
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    Siorac Full Member

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    Yeah but the only way to avoid that is to convince other leagues to follow the English example. There is no way to legislate for that unilaterally from England.
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    OnlyTwoDaSilvas Gullible

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    Transfer Windows should be a two-way street. No registering new players outside of the window, but no releasing of players either. Beyond the window, your squad is final for both ins and outs. Otherwise, as has been mentioned, the rest of Europe can unsettle Premier League players and these clubs have no opportunity to sell and get a replacement. Sure, they can refuse bids, but that doesn't stop a pissed off player from being pissed off.

    And to do it it for the first time in a World Cup year was stupid too.

    It would be beneficial if European football was completely in sync with its league structures and transfer windows, but that that seems too sensible.
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    Ballache Full Member

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    Can't they just extend the window? I don't know the logistics behind it, so it may not be possible.
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    sparx99 Full Member

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    Why? How does it negatively impact English clubs?
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    hopefully Europe will follow suit in time. in principle having the window shut when the league starts makes a lot of sense. United aren't going to sell anyone after the season starts anyway, unless its a player that doesn't need replacing.
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    This could be put to bed with a single tweet by Pogba. Detest players who happily flirt away with other clubs
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    sunama Baghdad Bob

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    Other leagues won't follow our decision, because they know it is a ridiculously silly decision, which can put all clubs of that country at a disadvantage.
    Basically, the FA have handicapped English clubs.
    This would the equivalent of an athlete, putting a self imposed ban on himself, that he won't ever drink water, after a certain time of day. Meanwhile his competitors are allowed to drink water at any time of day, they please. It's going to have negative consequences, at some point and nobody would be foolish enough to self impose a rule which pots them at a disadvantage.
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    Sassy Colin Death or the gladioli!

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    Surely this subject has been done to death already?
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    sparx99 Full Member

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    That still happens when the deadline is 31st August.

    The idea of the shortened window was to try to ensure the teams play against an equal squad. The alternative we've had before is like the season when Utd beat Arsenal 8-2 then two weeks later Arsenal signed 5-6 players and everyone else had to face a more difficult Arsenal team. Obviously, injuries/suspensions/form all play a role but this was meant to remove an additional variable.
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    I think people are being selfish as it is not all about the Premier League - there are another 72 league clubs who this will be a benefit for.

    If a club doesnt want to sell a player say no - whats so difficult?
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    Camilo Full Member

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    Exactly, it doesn't. No clubs will be selling first team players after the window closes - not one single club. It just won't happen.

    I think it's a great thing having the window closed before the start of play. I don't really care what the rest of Europe are up to, because the English market effectively closes for them next week too.
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    Not sure why anyone would expect the rest of Europe to fall in line with the Premier League on this one. Most of the other major leagues start later than ours, why the hell would they decide to shut their transfer windows a week to 2 weeks before their season starts? It's madness to expect them to do so.
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    Bastian Full Member

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    That's a bit contradictory. It is difficult for smaller clubs to block transfers of their best players when bigger clubs come calling, which I thought was the point you were making in the first sentence.

    Maybe this rule could be applied to all the leagues bar the Prem. Same as the Brexit, it needs a re-vote :D
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    sparx99 Full Member

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    All of the clubs in Europe must know though that English clubs will just say no. None of them lack the funds to stave off an offer. The prime example is Coutinho. Liverpool refused last summer and a deal was done in January.

    The only counter to this is that an unscrupulous owner like Mike Ashley would potentially sabotage his own club for a big offer. However, people keep arguing it reduces an English clubs bargaining power when the reverse is true.

    You want to buy my player after the window has closed and I can't replace him then I would demand a premium on top of what we may call fair value.
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    golden_blunder Site admin. Manchester United fan Staff

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    Just remove the window completely and we won’t have this pressure cooker sales environment every summer
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    Murray3007 Full Member

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    not really sure what the problem is if honest, I would prob close it the 1st of Aug gives the squads chance to work with each other, every team has had plenty chance to do there business, has it affected Liverpool ? as for losing players after the window shuts its quite simple really just reject the offer. just seems to be another excuse from teams who have failed badly in the market.