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    Seriously though lot of unrest in the last 24 hours - superficially over the tearing down of some park for a mall/shopping center. But the rhetoric from the ultra-secularists seems to be very political in note.

    Turkey about to get a taste of its own medicine? Been involved in quiet a bit of 'nation building' recently.
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    sglowrider Against Oral Equality

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    The military getting back at Erdogan for jailing a few of their own? Setting up something for the future?
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    Genius Me! Proud EE fan, 10k club member & NSFW crew member

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    Well it seems that the police started attacking their people first. The PM is banning journalists and newsreporters from reporting anything.
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    That looks like the beginning of something big.
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    holyland red "Holier-than-thou fundamentalist"

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    Hehe, its the regional sultan meddling in his neighbouring countries' politics, promoting freedom and democracy.
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    Kaos Full Member

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    Ahh good ol' Turkey. When its not busy exporting democracy to its neighbours it takes part in its favourite hobbies including committing cultural genocide against its native Kurdish population, violent suppressing protesters and continuing to deny the irrefutable Armenian genocide.
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    Genius Me! Proud EE fan, 10k club member & NSFW crew member

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    You can feck right off.
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    Kaos Full Member

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    Feel free to correct my misinformed opinions.
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    At least they're not a sectarian dictatorship like good old Syria.
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    AK Party would win free elections quite easily...Erdogan is a prick, but while the urbanites might be feeling sorry for themselves, the rural population will vote them in again.
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    It helps that they're not divided along sectarian lines either....well after you take care of shutting the Kurds up that is.
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    JakeC nightclub John Terry

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    Who's most likely to be behind this uprising? CHP, MHP or someone else?
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    I honestly believe there is a great deal of spontaneity, just a lot of issues and pent up frustration and anger but TV coverage has shown plenty of leftist/Marxist + right wing ultra nationalist flags and banners....

    Turkey has progressed economically and in terms of global importance in the last decade, but it has also lost a lot of the militant secularism that defined it for decades and decades.

    And that's fine as far as I'm concerned - if the majority of the populace is leaning away from ultra secularism, the army should not be taking away the right of the ppl to do that!

    But, equally - you can't expect generations of Turks who grew up with a certain belief and vision of the country, to simply sit idle and not react.

    I do find it hilarious though...Turks tried so hard to appease Europe - look we're not like those other 'Muslim' savages(going far beyond what even many european nations have done - banning the wearing of hijabs in state run offices and universities) and yet they are still European rejects lolololol
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    I'd also think its gross violation of human rights towards ethnic minorities and dissidents which has labelled them 'European rejects'.
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    Good post. While Turkey has advanced significantly under Erdogan, still I don't find a good thing the de-secularism of Turkey in the recent years.
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    Kaos - without doubt, human rights violations, fierce opposition from the Greeks and Cypriots also played a part.

    The Armenian issue - still rankles a lot of people, the Kurdish issue unfortunately not so much. I know in 2010 in the US there was a lot of talk about a resolution in the House.
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    JakeC nightclub John Terry

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    What do you mean European rejects? They're on track in their quest to join the EU aren't they?
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    Banning hijabs has feck all to do with Turkey trying to enter the EU. The ban existed before the EU was even a thing.
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    JakeC nightclub John Terry

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    If I was head of the EU. I wouldn't allow any country that wasn't secular in.

    Although that would mean throwing the UK and Norway out.
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    Obviously(though I should have expressed myself a bit better)

    It was a comment on to what extent Kemal Ataturk and the secularist establishment tried to change Turkey from the remnants of the crumbling Ottoman Empire.

    What is the image most ppl have when they think of a Muslim majority nation and then reconcile that with Turkey...

    I just found it funny that despite all that work and banning of the original incarnation of the AK Party - what was it called Virtue Party or something? the 'conservatives', 'traditionalists', 'Islamists' however you want to label them, still ended up in power...and the 'Islamic itch' had to be scratched...simply trying to suppress it didn't work.
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    Turkey are a secular state. And they probably should have been at EU until now. I mean, Cyprus after all are although they didn't meet many requirements.
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    JakeC nightclub John Terry

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    I know they are!

    Turkey have improved on atleast 30/33 requirements.
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    He's right
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    And yet the supposedly secular Ireland still has stone age religious-based laws.

    Ho-hum.
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    JakeC nightclub John Terry

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    I agree. I'm the first one to tell you that Ireland, although not as controlled by the Church as it was, has a long way to go.
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    Danny1982 Sectarian Hipster

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    I say we arm those 200,000, and send Al-Qaeda fight with them, and see what happens.

    That's a lot after just three days.
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    holyland red "Holier-than-thou fundamentalist"

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    I say we need to send a flotilla to help the opressed. Care to join, Dan?
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    Danny1982 Sectarian Hipster

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    Helping the oppressed? I thought that's the US' (and EU's) job.. :rolleyes:
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    holyland red "Holier-than-thou fundamentalist"

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    Erdogan was a hero on here not that long ago, when Sunni extremism seemed to be Israel's rather than Assad's trouble.

    Didn't Khaled Mesh'al reside in Damascus too? If you lie down with dogs and all...
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    Revan Assumptionman

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    Holyland, how are the relations between the Israel and Turkey. Have they been repaired after that boat incident?
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    Out? We aren't in the EU, and we don't want to be.
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    Slevs likes to play with penises

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    Revan Assumptionman

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    Slevs are you from Armenia or from Lebanon?
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    Slevs likes to play with penises

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    Born in Lebanon but have an Armenian origin (family name, Armenian school, upbringing)
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    Ah, guessed so. I seen the rimaldo thread asking you about Armenian Christmas and then seen the internet provider web page you posted that was from Lebanon.
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    Slevs likes to play with penises

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    Clever.:D
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    holyland red "Holier-than-thou fundamentalist"

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    There was talk of some agreement recently. Things won't go back to what they were before Erdogan, but events in Syria may have convinced him that the gamble on Assad a couple of years ago wasn't his best.

    Currently there seems to be an impasse regarding the compensation to the flotilla victims, but the issue runs deeper than that. Erdogan considers Turkey under his rule as a regional superpower, and himself as a leader of the Sunni Middle East. In either role, relations with Israel aren't going to be what they were a decade ago.
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    http://defnesumanblogs.com/2013/06/01/what-is-happenning-in-istanbul/