TV money and the Premier League

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    Bastian Full Member

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    From the BBC:

    Premier League clubs have rejected an initial proposal to end the equal distribution of overseas TV money.

    The six richest clubs - Manchester City, Manchester United, Tottenham, Arsenal, Liverpool and Chelsea - want their appeal reflected in their income.

    And a plan - presented by the league's executive chairman Richard Scudamore - suggested 35% of global revenue should be divided based on league position.

    But at a meeting on Wednesday, no vote was taken due to a lack of support.

    "Clubs agreed to adjourn to allow further discussion," a statement read.

    It had become clear during the meeting that the plan was significantly short of gaining the support of the 14 clubs needed for it to be passed.

    The issue will be discussed again at the next meeting of club bosses in November.

    The £3bn overseas deal for 2016-19 generates £39m annually for each club - and for the previous 25 years there has been an equal sharing of international broadcasting income between the clubs.

    But new contracts for international markets such as China and the United States for the next period between 2019 and 2022 have been booming in value, and the big six clubs want a greater share.

    Analysis
    Today's events means that Scudamore's specific plan to appease the "Big Six" is effectively dead for now. It will not be discussed at the next Premier League monthly meeting in November.

    However, the fact that the discussion has been adjourned does suggest that the smaller clubs are open to some form of compromise and may cede some ground. Could that possibly be a smaller proportion than 35%? We'll learn more in the coming weeks.

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    Couldn't see a thread on this, but a worthy discussion. The Caf has often had discussions or comments on how unequal it is in Spain and how that makes their league less interesting. IMV it's a good thing that the whole league is more competitive in the market, the top clubs already have an advantage when it comes to their own market exploits. If the league want to do anything beneficial for the game for that money, they can lower ticket prices.
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    Skills Snitch

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    Seems like they want a bigger chunk based on league position, rather than appeal. If it's purely by appeal, they should just hand us 50% of the income and share the other half between the rest however they want.
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    RedDevil@84 Full Member

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    No. No compromise on money matters.
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    Cal? CR7 fan

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    This.

    We should be getting 50% if the TV money and blowing PSG out of the water.

    The current situation is grossly unfair
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    It is, but people will claim that it would be unfair that the most popular teams have to share the pot even with the lesser teams that no one will pay to watch on TV..

    Imagine if United could sell their home matches through PPV. Probably an idea for the unpopular thread!
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    Cal? CR7 fan

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    The old Spanish wat was capitalism at its best, and the reason of the utter dominance of La Liga clubs in European competitions in the past decade.

    Now that they’re splitting the money, they’ll no longer dominate in Europe.
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    You've been consistent on this issue ever since I joined the Caf, fair play
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    Exactly.
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    Cal? CR7 fan

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    I long for the day the PL deal is blown apart, as unlikely as that may be.
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    Oscie Full Member

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    Why is the international rights divided up 100% equally between the 20 clubs and not distributed like the domestic rights anyway?
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    Everything below is my opinion and I dunno if it's right or not.

    I personally believe 35 - 50% of global revenue should be shared between the big six. We're the clubs that give rise to this revenue. We make global audiences watch our matches. We make the Premier league popular. We sign the most attractive players from all over the world. We deserve to share that portion amongst us.

    I understand the people saying we'll lose competitiveness, or that it's just generally grossly unfair. And you know what? The socialist part of me agrees with this. But the United part of me (which to be fair is the overwhelming majority) understands our reasoning.
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    adexkola Arsenal supporter Verified Moaner City Lover

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    No one would have interest in a mini-league of the top 6. Part of the appeal of the PL is the challenge the other teams provide to the cream of the crop. Weighting the financial advantage towards the top 6 removes that. Plus Leicester City's title doesn't happen. It's a symbiotic relationship.
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    Completely agree.

    I could live with that if United benefits.
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    You should get a fraction of the revenue depending on where you finish in the table, simple and fair.
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    Meh, the rich clubs got enough advantage as it is, for the benefit of the sport I'd rather see more money go to 'lesser' clubs rather than the opposite. I have no issue with rewarding success, but I don't want football to become even more about a select few elite clubs than it already is. It's still sad Monaco got torn apart for example.
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    We were nowhere near benefiting from that :lol:

    I'm a football fan first and foremost, if United compete in a weakened sport, then that's no fun for me.
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    Got to, respectfully disagree. I'm not a football fan, I'm a United fan.
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    I'd rather have an equal/slightly more portion and the league remain competitive than grab as much as we think we can get away with and lose the competitiveness. Otherwise, runs the risk of getting nearer and nearer to a European League - the day that happens is the day I stop watching.

    That said, some sense of reward for where you finish seems ok but have a base figure for all clubs - something like half of the money is split equally and the other half is distributed on a sliding scale. Everyone gets a decent chunk but the higher you finish the more you get.

    It's fine some people saying "it benefits United, it's fine" but the reason football is No.1 in the world is the quality, the variety and the (relative) unpredictability. The more elitist it gets and the more the smaller clubs get left behind (or fold), the less variety and unpredictability you have.
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    Personally, I'm both .... football first then United. The things United have won have been all the better for how hard/competitive they were to win.
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    What would the top 6 clubs do with the money? buy another donkey like Pogba for £300 million?
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    It's starts with "big 6" then what in a few years time? The "big 4" want to break away from that. Then after that the top 2 will want to play only the top European clubs!
    It's already an uneven playing field as it is. I'm ok with "the bigger cubs" earning the big bucks as it is now to a point but, if the media show the other clubs more often they would earn more TV money and may get a bigger worldwide fan base.
    All the clubs are a lot richer now that's how we could tell liverpoop to get stuff with VVD and they could do the same to Barcelona, this surely can only make our league even stronger and maybe even earn everyone more money from future deals.
    Just my thoughts and not exactly put very well I know but, I am dyslexic and it is awkward for me to get the words in my head into the writing!

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    Not in favour of it. The Premier League isn't the best league in the world but it's the most competitive and probably the best to watch. That disappears if you start siphoning money to the upper end of the table.
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    I don't like how unequal the Spanish money is split, for example, but I do feel we are hit the hardest by having the fairest TV deal. I mean, not to sound arrogant (so I will) but we are probably 50% of the reason the league is as big as it is on a global scale. We are the mega club in England and probably right next to Real Madrid globally yet we have the same split as small clubs like Huddersfield, WBA or City? We have won over 50% of the Premier League titles and like I said have far more of a fan base and eye balls watching us than any other team and it's not close. Our value in to the brand is the same as Barca's and Real's in La Liga.

    It does provide our league and it's smaller sides better opportunities and a better product overall and perhaps a more satisfying win given how difficult it is to win now.

    Maybe the 35% split is a fair way to go, but if I am purely looking out for the interests of Manchester United I do believe we are getting screwed.
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    Of course we are! Manchester United is the biggest draw of the PL and it goes without saying that United should get more of the TV pie than Huddersfield FC for example.
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    Agreed. It's just pure logic.
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    Inter Yer Nan Full Member

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    Those ratings can be slightly misleading because the 5:30pm game for you (9:30am for me 12:30am for East Coast) and that's on channel 4 (terrestrial TV free for everyone) and last season we played mostly on Sundays due to Europa League games (need cable for that) and very seldom play at 5:30 on Saturdays.

    West Ham most viewers than Chelsea is a bit weird too.
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    Split the money equally. Football isn't about prize money.
    In an ideal world I'd give the lower-placed teams more money to level the playing field. But in practice that has several obvious issues e.g. relegation, integrity - teams would aim low if they've got nothing to play for.
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    :D

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    But yeah.. You are right. I'll commence self-flagellation soon
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    Football is about winning - which prize money will enable you to do.
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    The idea is to have 65% split equally and 35% split on a sliding scale.


    I think it's the best way to do it. It rewards those middle table teams that keep playing long after they are in a safe league position. Far too many teams are on the beach as soon as their league safety is guaranteed. While it wont stop this from happening it will reward the teams that actually give a feck up until the final match.
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    I agree with this 100%.
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    :lol:
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    Season 1 - All teams equal. Team X wins the league through random chance.
    Season 2 - Team X has more money to spend, buys better players. Wins the league.
    Season 3 - Team X spends even more money, buys even better players. Wins the league.
    Season 4 - Team X spends all the money, buys all the best players. Wins the league.
    .
    .
    Season 999 - Team X, now playing their home matches on Mars thanks to Team X Terraforming Inc. (a subsidiary of Team X Holding Group), spends more Solar System Units and procures the best players in the Galaxy. Wins the league.

    What's the point?
    In practice it's not that easy but in principle I don't agree with it.
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    http://www.sportingintelligence.com...ier-leagues-entire-global-tv-audience-281001/

    The article was a few years ago, but it's a global study.

    Manchester United matches attract almost 52 per cent of the Premier League’s entire global TV audience according to exclusive Sportingintelligence analysis of the latest industry data and separate internal United figures prepared by independent experts.
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    Cal? CR7 fan

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    The utter dominance of La Liga in both European competitions in the past decade suggests otherwise.