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United Hour Podcast - Sanchez Fever

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    Join host Nik @Rood as he is joined by Craig @Schmiznurf and Ashwin @AR87 as they discuss Sanchez and his future role in the team, our close victory against Burnley, Sanchez, our upcoming game against Spurs, Sanchez and more on this weeks United Hour.


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    You heard it hear first, Nik thinks Lukaku should be more like Ashley Barnes....
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    Schmiznurf Full Member

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    Once the pod was done recording I remembered Robbie's name, for some reason Ty was in my mind, probably because of him being an idiot saying Liverpool are the biggest club in England.
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    :lol::keano:
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    Oh no, your beautiful face is gone.
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    I'm actually gutted man, and my Santa tag is gone. I feel naked now :(
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    Great pods guys. Sounding much better
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    Hahahaha. I heard that and was thinking how that's similar to Moyes wanting Vidic to learn from Jagielka!
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    The betting ad is no more.

    RIP. :(
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    We had to kill it, we did it slowly so it suffered though.
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    I miss the betting ad too :(

    Burnley game was indeed hard fought but they have been good this season, I knew it would be a difficult game and one that we just needed to win tbh. I did love the optimistic prediction by @Schmiznurf though :D

    I would offload Smalling in the summer now. He does the basics of defending well enough but if we want to push on we need better, I would look to replace him in the summer. I adore Mata too, one of my favorite players in the way he plays the game, and I would love him to stay if he accepts that he would become more of a squad player in future, but if not he would be better off leaving in the summer.

    So true about Yeboah :lol: First time ever Martial has scored 3 games in a row in the league for us. He's playing well at the moment, we definitely can't take him out of the side. Agreed with @Schmiznurf on Sanchez too, I think he takes Mata position on the right and we continue in our current vein, or Jesse on the right with Sanchez through the middle behind Lukaku and Mata misses out again. I prefer the former option there but I can see either of those happening.

    Shame that it didn't work out for Mkhi here but I actually think he will do alright at Arsenal, seems to be a player suited to their style of play.

    That video Schmiznurf is referring to on Arsenal Fan TV is hilarious too, that one cracked me up and Robbie just could not hide his bias.

    On a side note, I have 63 posts in the Alexis thread (as of 16:14 GMT on 22/01/2018) so yes, I think he is a fecking outstanding signing :drool::drool: I can't wait for him to be confirmed :keano:

    Nice one boys, good effort again.
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    Great work. Thanks for taking the time.
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    I like the pod but the American... not good. Not very articulate and seems to have a shallow knowledge of the game. Sorry pal
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    :wenger:

    Conte is clearly a fan - although they seem to be linked to every carthorse centreforward at the moment: http://www.skysports.com/football/n...ea-express-interest-in-burnleys-ashley-barnes


    Post up the video if either of you can find it - maybe throw up a vid of Yeboah's classic strike for all the kids out there who wont have seen it as well!
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    Surprised to hear that as we did get a lot of positive reviews for Ashwin after his last appearance!

    Obviously I dont agree but we do welcome all feedback whether positive or negative
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    He's just in bad form right now and low on confidence. Needs an arm around the shoulder really.
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    I imagine most people will prefer the one against Liverpool as it's a volley and it's Liverpool, but the one against Wimbledon is the one for me for the buildup and little skill he shows before hitting it. What's remarkable is both goals are identical when it comes to placement.



    Ty talking out of his arse as always, I put the video just before Claude talks some sense and says we're the biggest club in England.

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    Of course, and it’s nothing major. I’m still gonna listen to the pod just as well.
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    Thanks guys, nice pod.

    I fully agree with @Rood (?) about Mata losing a yard of speed and it's showing now. It's been there for a while but against Burnley he looked like the slowest kid in the middle in circle passing practise on too many occasions. And yes, he seems like the greatest person in the PL.

    Also agree about Lukaku: he's not been on the score sheet too much lately but for the last couple months or so he's been creating so many chances. I don't know if it's a pre-planned or because of his frustration, but since he's been isolated badly this season it's great to see him put in work in creative role. Not sure if he's done it before at other clubs but it's working.
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    Nice pod guys. Was pleased by the more considered evaluation of United's recent games, as opposed to the very gloomy post-Xmas wrap up.

    Interesting thoughts on Mkhitaryan, although I don't entirely agree that he wasn't a Mourinho player. My sense of Jose's transfer strategy is that he has gone for the best players possible at every stage. When he first came to United we were at the level of a Europa League side. Yes we got Pogba and Zlatan that summer. However, mostly we were fishing in the Europa League pool for players. Mkhitarayan reflects that.

    Sometimes it feels to me that Jose feels like he has a Europa League squad that he is trying to turnover so it becomes a Champions League squad. I suspect that is why lots of players are being allowed to wind down their contracts. I would not be shocked to see Jose allow a lot of players out in the summer. That includes Mata, who I think is under real threat from Sanchez. When you think of how Jose likes speed on the flanks and how effective Alexis was wide right for Barca...If Mata had pace it might be different but he doesn't.
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    Feck me those goals are absolutely glorious :drool:
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    Two of my all time favourite goals. Both were scored within a week or so of each other if I recall correctly?
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    About a month, which makes it even more remarkable that they're so similar.
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    Listening to it right now. Hopefully Lukaku’s performance will improve greatly having Alexis close to him.
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    Great point and something I've been wondering myself. We've extended options for next year on Mata, Blind, Herrera and Shaw IIRC. Of those 4 I only think Shaw and Herrera he feels have a place in the squad over the next 3-4 years or beyond. I could see him unloading Mata and Blind this summer for nominal transfer fees.

    I do think he may be inclined to keep Mata in as Sanchez's arrival doesn't really alter where he ideally sees his role in the squad. Sanchez is essentially coming in to be the starting XI player Mkhi was supposed to be. Mata was only ever supposed to be a bench player and rotation option for cup competitions this season. If we're to take Mourinho at face value that his areas to target this summer no longer include an attacker keeping Mata would seem to track unless he feels comfortable with Pereira returning from loan and filling that spot.
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    In parts yeah, he seemed a bit formulaic, like his 'critique' of Juan Mata! He will make 'a sideways pass'! :keano: (See my football Bluffer's Guide [link: http://www.redcafe.net/threads/messe-lingard-2017-18-performances.430545/page-76#post-21936743] to match day thread contributions). Mata is getting like he's is 'over the hill'. Not the legs anymore. 'Benefit from being a squad player'. Christ. Pity Mourhino has not decked Mata's physical collapse yet! But I would not be too hard on Ashwin @AR87, to be fair. I thought he showed decent enough footie knowledge. At least he didn't say 'my bad' or say 'offence' instead of 'attack'. What was worse was the contributor saying he was bored with the match against Burnley. You have to congratulate the lads for the effort, I think its important to keep the pod going and to have people listen to it and give feedback. Technical quality of the recording is better these days. This podcast was OK, but not their finest moment, in my opinion. Pretty bad ignorance/lack of research (by all) about the incredible giant killing history of Yeovil Town. It would be good to get one of our female Caftards to contribute sometimes or some of the real smart arses in which we abound. Also having on certain oppo fans like @duffer or whoever we have on here would create a bit of dynamics and different views. Also, get some of the muppets on!!
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    Honestly, I was bored because I went into the game far too optimistic, expecting us to steamroll Burnley, so when the game ended up being a back and forth I just didn't feel entertained and that's my fault tbh, being tired and nearly falling asleep may also have played a part.

    Well, usually we focus more on the league games coming up rather than the cup games.

    Also, if anyone else, female or otherwise, is interested in taking part they're welcome to contact us. An oppo fan might be more difficult though due to us talking about what happened in our matches, not sure many oppo's are watching them.
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    Cool, well at least you were honest. Well done anyway for giving us your views. I am a real supporter of the podcast.
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    Appreciate the feedback.

    I did provide a specific example in the match of him choosing not to make a progressive pass which led to a loss of possession. I could have given others as well, but it's not really an efficient use of time.

    If it seems formulaic it's possible because it is true. Mata has become a more risk averse passer (possible this is manager's instructions tbf though I believe him and Herrera developed this under LvG and haven't recovered fully) and though never the fastest, has seemingly lost a bit of pace.

    What I will say about Mata, which he doesn't get enough credit for, is how much more willing and disciplined he is in his defensive duties. He may get beaten for pace or get caught out a bit when he drifts over to the left from his wide right position, but he always tracks back with purpose now and puts in the hard yards. It may actually be a reason why Mourinho almost always subs him off as it's physically more demanding on him than others.

    I also often find myself ranting about something I never intended to which I think I kind of did on Mata in this pod. It may not have been clear, but I quite like Mata and ideally would like to keep him in the squad for another couple of seasons. I don't think we're in a position to not keep a player who can still contribute at a high level albeit not as consistently as he once did.
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    To be honest I didn’t have a problem with the Mata critique because I thought he, along with Matic, were the two worst performers on the night. And that’s the good of the pod because you noticed it and the others thought he was decent (which I disagreed with).

    It’s always different strokes though and like I said, it doesn’t stop me listening to the pod. I love it, and if you guys need an emergency fill in, I’m up for that as well.
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    Thanks for this guys.
    I look forward to these, they're a great listen.
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    Its pretty clear that Jose has noted that Mata is past his best, as he was far from his plans at the start of the season (often not even on the bench) - it was only the poor form of Mkhi that forced him to give Mata another chance and hes done pretty well in general but the last match seemed to pass him by. Really a battle like Burnley is not the best one for him, he can still be effective against teams that sit back and allow us more time and space on the ball though.

    Anyway thanks for the feedback and to address your various points:
    I spent a whole 5 minutes reading the Wiki of Yeovil Town so you can stick your lack of research up your arse :D - I was aware of their giant killing history but chose to focus on their more recent ups and downs through the football league as I thought it was more relevant to where they are today.

    We have actually tried to get opposition fans on the pod several times but no one seems up for it - if any are reading and want to get involved then drop me a line. Not had any female Caftards apply either.
    As for muppets - you are welcome to appear whenever you are ready ;)
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    I agree with @Tincanalley Mata as a "sideways" / "risk-averse" passer is a bit harsh/lazy. He's not risk averse, he just makes excellent decisions with regards to what pass is likely to be succesful and what isn't. Mata will always tend to play the pass that he knows will keep the ball... sometimes that is sideways, but sometimes it is a nice ball inside or incisive through-ball... but he will very rarely try and force moves that just aren't happening.

    Mata is still an excellent creative player (despite his low assists this season) and it's still not a coincidence that the majority of our good attacking performances come when he's on the pitch.

    Will he lose his place to Sanchez? Maybe in the short-term, but Mata will always find his way back into the team, due to him generally being consistent, injury-free and someone that Mourinho trusts and can depend upon. So yeah, don't see him going anywhere anytime soon and he'll continue to rack up appearances even with Sanchez about.
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    Anyone who is interested in guesting needs to send in a short audio clip - we need to check sound quality (as that has been a major issue with some past guests) and that you have some clue about what you are on about!

    We do still have a list from earlier in the season of people who did apply and will call upon them when needed - note that we give priority to people who take an interest by giving us feedback and get involved in discussions on here and/or Twitter.
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    Tincanalley Turns player names into a crappy conversation

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    Because of the offside rule, and the very nature of football, sideways and backwards passes are - and have been for a very long time - utterly central to the flow of the game. Doesn't matter if you are Stoke or Barca. In the seventies or whenever they brought in the rule that a keeper could not handle a back pass, so it was very much part of the game then and for the previous decades.

    Watch at a kick out. Both teams are all concentrated in maybe a twenty yard band either side of the half way line, both defences pushing up. Because of the offside rule, the work of breaking down a defence is very much like picking a complex lock. By passing, dribbling and timing runs off the ball, you are trying to move the opposition defence around like pieces on a chess board, stretch the game or whatever. Give them tricky choices, committ them. But sometimes you overstretch or get closed down; then, like in rugby, you have to recycle, stabilise, and all that involves sideways and backwards passes as well as the diagonal and sometimes back to front ball. Then you go through the gears again, always trying to catch the opposition off balance, find a bit of space, turn a defender.

    The idea of a 'target man', a forward who plays with his back to goal, is either to turn with the ball to attack the goal, or more usually, to 'lay it off'. That inevitably involves a backwards or sideways pass to an incoming forward. Wing play is about 'crosses'. These, and corner kicks, are diagonal or sideways balls. So unfortunately posters objecting to, or putting down players for doing reverse passes or sideways balls is - and always will be - a red flag to me of complete and utter cluelessness about the nuts and bolts of the game. Trying to get your head around some of this stuff - and there is always more to learn - for me, anyway, makes the three dimensional chess game of football more fascinating and entertaining.
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    There is a time and place for those things for sure. When he has space in front of him on the counter with options to play a pass to it's not the time for it and that's where the criticism lies. When we're building up play I don't have an issue with it and it helps us build overloads as he drifts into the middle and left flank.

    My criticism was specifically in reference to opportunities to move us forward in transition.
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    Come on now. Everyone's entitled to their opinion I guess but I think Ashwin is pretty articulate. He made a good point about Burnley targeting Smalling for example, and made several good points throughout. We'll see what the future holds in terms of bringing in Sanchez but I'd imagine Mata will be moved out of the team simply because Lingard, Martial and to, a certain extent, Lukaku are on fire. Very impressed with Lukaku's passing/crossing but still slightly concerned about his inability to get on the end of chances. Maybe with Sanchez we'll see Lukaku more centrally?
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    Oppo fans on the pod would add a different element, I agree. You guys are doing a great job either way but adding a completely different point of view and stirring up some debate can help to build the audience beyond the Caf.
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    Lukaku seems like he'll benefit from Sanchez's addition. Think it might take some time for Martial and Sanchez to figure things out together since both like to drop at times to get on the ball. We need to make sure they don't do it too often and get in each other's way. One needs to stay high to provide multiple options for forward passes more often.

    One thing Lukaku, and all of our attackers really, need to do is be more hungry about getting into the 6 yard box when the ball is crossed from the byline. Feels like we need to increase our poaching instincts across the board, but maybe it's just something I notice more of with United than other teams because I watch us so much more frequently.