Uniteds back room staff

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    Green_Red Full Member

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    One thing that always struck me about Fergie was not only did he continuously freshen up the team, he also freshed up his back room staff. Coaches came and went under Fergie. New ideas, fresh training methods, all contributing to the success during his era.

    What about Jose and his back room staff? Whats his approach?
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    abdo99 Full Member City Lover

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    Apparently they are all fitness coaches including Jose himself. They are not football coaches.
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    Acole9 Outstanding

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    Rui Faria is a fitness coach and Silvino Louro is a goalkeeper coach, they're just coaches Mourinho has promoted into bigger roles over his managerial career. When he was at Porto he had an old chap (Can't remember his name) as assistant manager but he's long retired from football I believe.
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    Kostur Full Member

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    Did Fergie change the backroom staff every year?
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    The only one that sticks out is the one with the porn tash. However doesnt strike me as an inspiring number two
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    Jazz Full Member

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    No he did not. Jose however seems to have had the same crew for quite a while. He definitely needs new people to come in.
    I don't say get rid of his friends (we don't want him more miserable), but he needs a fresh pair of eyes asap (on the attacking side specifically). This is one of the best investments that the club could make imho.

    Also surprised that it seems no one is having a talk with him about this. It's blatantly obvious we need some good coaches in and fresh ideas.
    Pep himself has a huge backroom staff and he's a better coach than Jose. Therefore I can't see why Jose doesn't feel the need to change things there.
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    Kostur Full Member

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    Fair fecks that, agree with it. Could/should the club impose one on him though?
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    Jazz Full Member

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    Yes. If I were in charge of the club I would insist that he do it. But then I'm no nonsense woman who gets irritated when a solution is there and nobody getting their arse in gear to implement it.

    I just explained in another thread that someone from the club (maybe SAF as I can't think of anyone else), needs to have a talk with him to get him to re-arrange his methods somewhat. As I explained there, the approach to Jose should not be aggressive - that will not help. However I am convinced there is a way to get him on side. You just need the right person who has a full proof approach to do it. I'm even now thinking of ways I would approach him, but alas Jose doesn't have me at his disposal:D

    Joking aside, it absolutely needs to be forced on him. We are in dire need of good coaching. Yes some of the players aren't up to it - but we have enough players to do much much better than the shit we're serving up.
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    golden_blunder Site admin. Manchester United fan Staff

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    Though on the flip side at least his number 2’isnt a revolving door for managerial posts elsewhere
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    Gopher Brown Full Member

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    I don’t think SAF necessarily did freshen up his team through choice, it was more about replacing individuals who left for other jobs.

    This does seem to be yet another thread clutching at straws and trying to blame another factor other than the players.
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    Damien Self-Aware RedCafe Database (and Admin) Staff

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    According to the Chelsea website, his backroom staff stayed mostly the same but Jose Morais had a sabbatical in 2014-15 to become manager of a Saudi side.

    Jose's backroom staff here (may have changed since this but the site is crap):

    assistant manager Rui Faria (fitness specialist, been with Mourinho from the start of his managerial career)
    assistant manager+goalkeeper coach Silvino Louro (been with Mourinho since Porto)
    opposition scout Ricardo Formosinho (been with Mourinho at Porto and Real Madrid... this is the role AVB had when Mourinho was at Chelsea)
    fitness coach Carlos Lalin
    De Gea's goalkeeper coach Emilio Alvarez
    analyst Giovanni Cerra (seems to be same as role Formosinho has but making the data understandable for the players)

    Been arguments with Lalin and Cerra
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    That would explain a great deal. Fitness training is completely different from skills or tactical coaching.
    Needs SAF to have a tactful word with Jose about bringing some more guys in to assist, improve and take the pressure off the incumbents.
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    STYLOISRED New Member

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    so... no Attacking coach!
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    Damien Self-Aware RedCafe Database (and Admin) Staff

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    Staff at Chelsea during his second spell:

    assistant coach Rui Faria
    assistant coach Steve Holland
    assistant coach Silvino Louro
    opposition scout Mick McGiven
    fitness coach Chris Jones
    fitness coach Carlos Lalin
    goalkeeper coach Christophe Lollichon
    assistant coach Jose Morais (performed similar role to Cerra it seems)

    Don't know exactly what Holland did but the others seem to match the roles of his staff here. Mostly fitness coaches with not much discussed from a tactical point of view in terms of movement without the ball etc according to Hazard.

    http://www.espn.co.uk/football/chel...actical-preparation-better-than-jose-mourinho
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    If the problems are stemming from coaching then why hasnt JM addressed it and been ruthless like he has with some of our players ?
    Are these guys bound under contract,has he been ill advised or too arrogant to address his own mistakes ?
    Seems like Mourinho's Utd machine has broken down these last few games and its worrying.
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    I think that Jose is an insecure individual and needs people around him that he perceives to be loyal. So I understand why he wants his crew around. To be honest, football is such a shite business with lots of pressure and backstabbing that I don't begrudge him for wanting people around that he can trust.
    So I think he hasn't addressed this due to his issues with trust and also partly arrogance.

    However, he badly needs someone to point out that his crew needs adding to. I've said before, I don't think it would be a good idea to get rid of them, just add more staff that are better suited to do what needs to be done. United have the resources to add people without having to remove his current lot, so he really needs to be convinced to go that way. Attacking has never been his strongpoint and he needs to address that by getting the right people in.
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    cyril C Full Member

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    Attacking side? We are OK on attacking side, we are miserable on fitness side, when 1/3 of the squad are injured or unplayable. We are also terrible on defensive side, particularly on set-piece defence, which has turned from our asset into liability.
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    1 suggestion - Sammy Lee, the eternal assistant.
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    We are not good at all then. The point still stands - we need new bodies added to our back room team. It's clear his current people are not up to the job.
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    Really? :houllier:
    True. Jose boasted when he arrived about how his sides don't suffer injuries to anything like United's level. In vain have I tried googling the stats, but there doesn't seem to have been much of an improvement. His signings haven't been great at avoiding injury either; Bailly seems to be modelling himself on Jones.

    It's not just injuries either. Players are looking tired half way into the second half, which would be understandable if they were busting a gut. By and large they aren't though.
    Agreed. In general play our defence is OK, which suggests it's more about the coaching than the quality and intelligence of the players.
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    In the current state of mind I don't think he'd accept it. With him being an alpha male who's that hot-tempered and highly competitive as he is, Mourinho'd probably take it as an insult. Enforcing such solution on him could be even worse, akin to setting a time bomb inside the club. Sadly I don't see it happening.
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    Green_Red Full Member

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    No not at all, ill be honest and tell you where its come from. I was very surprised to see Brian Kidd still involved at City. I would have thought Pep would have his own team. Im sure he does but I was interested in understanding Joses appraoch is all. I literally know nothing about his back room staff or his approach to formulating his team. Thats all, no hidden agenda.
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    I would still try as we are in dire need of good coaching. However it's because of his personality that I suggested using SAF to approach him as he's the only person I know who could suggest that without Jose going off the deep end.
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    golden_blunder Site admin. Manchester United fan Staff

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    Was Steve Clarke not an assistant to him at Chelsea?
    Also did makele take a coaching job at Chelsea?
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    Damien Self-Aware RedCafe Database (and Admin) Staff

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    First spell.
    Swansea.
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    Mullet_Man New Member

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    Didn’t Villas-Boas (sp) work with him at Chelsea or did I dream that?
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    So they need to force the manager to hire a coach that doesn't share his vision on how the team should play. That's your obvious solution?

    In what world is that even realistic?
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    Damien Self-Aware RedCafe Database (and Admin) Staff

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    Yes, during his first spell.
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    Jazz Full Member

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    Yes I do believe they need to find a way to get him to accept that he needs help. We are desperate for some good coaching. He's been here 18 months and we look rudderless. What do you suggest we do? Watch him passively doing the same crap over and over? Or try to diplomatically make a suggestion to him that would help him and us?

    And at the moment it doesn't look like he's got a 'vision'. We need a better set up to utilise our attackers. Jose has never been known for that, but he took on this job knowing what the fans expect, and so he needs to meet us half way. If we have to help him to get to that point, then so be it.
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    Rui Faria looks like a kid here.